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What about BrilliantColor?

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Bob -

I hope Infocus is good to you at bonus time because you are a HUGE reason that I am such a big fan of Infocus products. Access to "the man" is rare and I for one really appreciate it.
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Thanks for the response Bob! The new projectors sound great and it looks like you've done an excellent job in addressing the few "problem spots" that the 4805 has. I'm especially glad to hear about the lower fan noise, the improved dustproofing, and the aluminum lamp housing. Consider me signed up.

Any chance of the firmware including a digital lens shift? Having the ability to move a 2.35:1 image to the top or the bottom of the screen would sure make masking a lot easier.

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Thanks for the info. Bob!

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Bob,

I remember your request in the thread a long time back about getting forum feedback for a new case design. Its fun to see the finished design and know the company listened to their customer's suggestions.

Looking forward to the 720P unit

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Thanks again Bob, it's very cool to hear this info straight from you.

I'd like to say that I really like the case design of the new line. It's a very stylish, futuristic and cool design. The only PJ that would look better on my ceiling would be a 777 and since that's outside of my price range, the visually appealing case design of the IN76 will fill in admirably.

Does Infocus have any plans to release these PJ's in any other colors ? I have a pretty strong feeling that a white case would garner a very high WAF.

I like the sound of the gasket design to keep dust from entering into the optics and thereby not having to clean any screens. Would having no screens allow dust to build up on the lamp and possibly affect it's performance ?

The 4805 had a recommended seating distance of 2 x's the screens width. Could you specify what the recommended seating distance will be for the IN76 ?

How many use presets will be available and will there be more than one per input ?

Would you care to elaborate on which video torture tests the Pixelworks and Faroudja chips outperformed each other on ?

Thanks for any further enlightenment you choose to bestow upon us.
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Could you specify what the recommended seating distance will be for the IN76 ?

You've got to get a copy of Excel or the free StarOffice 8 workalike!

The recommended seating distance is part of the new screen calculator The seating distance to screen width ratios are:
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IN72   (480p)  2.00
IN74EX (576p)  1.67
IN76   (720p)  1.33

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Bob,

Does Infocus have any plans for 1080p ? I went to Infocus booth at 2006 CES hoping for a sneak preview of your 1080p projector but it wasn't there. Nevertheless, the IN76 looks nice for 720p congrats. Took a few pics of your projectors and a couple screenshots.

IN76 720p projector

http://i45.imagethrust.com/p/202519/...d2096_jpg.html


IN76 screenshots American Choppers live 1080i cable feed

http://i49.imagethrust.com/p/202520/...d2091_jpg.html

http://i43.imagethrust.com/p/202522/...d2092_jpg.html
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You've got to get a copy of Excel or the free StarOffice 8 workalike!

The recommended seating distance is part of the new screen calculator The seating distance to screen width ratios are:
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IN72   (480p)  2.00
IN74EX (576p)  1.67
IN76   (720p)  1.33

Sorry cavu.

The only time I've ever needed to use Excel on my home PC was for when using this version of the Infocus projector calculator. I went to the link you provided and they want $69 to download Star Office 8. I guess it's no longer free. Thanks anyway for trying to help me out though.

I do appreciate the info you have provided.
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I have a question regarding the operating altitude spec on the IN76, which the PDF states to be limited at 7,500' above sea level. I live at 7,600' and am wondering what that means for this PJ. Can I use it and just expect a reduced bulb life, or am I going to risk having some sort of other thermal breakdown problems? Does the IN76 have a variable fan speed for higher altitudes, and if so, how much louder is that than the normal fan noise?

The fan speed does adjust based on the internal temperature of the projector. We make sure all of our internal components can handle 10,000 feet altitude for design margin above the 7,500 feet reported in the data sheet. However, because for you we'd be in the design margin I cannot recommend the projector for your environment. I believe it would be fine but cannot guarantee it.

The fans will turn up quite a bit at that altitude, but I do not know how that will compare to the sea level performance nor how it compares to a 7210.
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Where does the projector (76) vent (back, bottom)? How close to a back wall can the projector be mounted hanging from a ceiling mount about 12" below the ceiling?

Air enters through the side closest to the lens and exits through the other side. There are no other vents. You can mount the projector as close to a back wall as the stiffness of the cables allow.
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1. Will there be a separate video dvi setting (instead of having to adjust RGB gains/offsets)?

2. Will the IN76 be able to sync at either 48Hz or 72Hz?

1. Right now the projector automatically sets the digital video level based on the input type. For all video formats the projector will set the levels to DVI-V and for computer formats it will set it to the full DVI range. We also plan to implement a user controllable switch in the software but it is unclear at this time whether it will make the first production release of the product.

2. It should sync to 48Hz with no problem. 72 Hz sources will be frame rate converted to 60 Hz, so I do not recommend 72 Hz sources be used. This is pretty typical of DLP products with color wheels due to the allowable motor speeds. We frame lock to all sources from 48 to 62 Hz and frame rate convert everything else.
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What about BrilliantColor?

BrilliantColor is not included in any of the new projectors.
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Thanks for all of the information as usual, Bob. I'll most likely be sticking with Infocus for my third upgrade in three years! Quit making your products better every year. Damn you!!!!!! Of course, I'm kidding. Keep improving.

I have a quick question about the new DC2 chip in the IN76, are the black levels any different than in the older DC2 chips? How about compared to the 4805 (my current projector)?

Thanks again, Bob!
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Are you using the 1280x768 chip and just shutting off the pixels for 1280x720p, or is this the same HD2+ engine as previous models? I wonder about light spray around and through the unused pixels on these new PJ's (mits and optoma) with the 4:3 720p chip. Seems silly to me to go backwards to 4:3 rather than keeping a native 1.78:1 ratio chip so there can't be excess light spill.

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Here's the specs for IN76 per Infocus:

INFOCUS TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS*
COMPATIBILITY
Video: Component and RGB HDTV (720p, 1035i, 1080i, 1080p-24Hz), 24p. DVI/HDMI with HDCP
for digital video and encrypted digital video. Component EDTV (480p, 576p progressive
scan), Component, Composite and S-Video standard video (480i, 576i, 576i RGB SCART
with adapter, NTSC, NTSC M 4.43, PAL: B, G, H, I, M, N; SECAM: M]
Computer: Digital and analog PC, Macintosh®, up to 1024x768 resolution through intelligent
resizing (Separately available M1-A (for analog sources) or M1-D (for digital sources)
cable required.)
Communication: USB (with separately available M1-A or M1-D cable).
RS-232
INPUTS AND OUTPUTS
1 - Component (RCA): HDTV, EDTV (progressive), and Standard TV component video (interlaced)
1 - S-Video: Standard TV Video
1 - Composite (RCA): Standard TV Video
1 - DVI: HDTV RGB, HDTV Component, Digital Visual Interface (DVI) with HDCP decryption,
computer, and USB, HDMI via available adapter
1 - HDMI: SDTV, EDTV, HDTV Component (4:4:4 or 4:2:2) and RGB digital video, Interface (HDMI)
with HDCP decryption
1 - 3.5mm Mini-Jack: 12v screen drop trigger
SCART RGBS: RGBS through component and composite video connectors with separately available
adapter
1 - 9-pin D-connector: RS-232
IMAGING TECHNOLOGY
Imaging Technology: Texas Instruments® DLP® DarkChip2 720p 12° DMD
Resolution: 1280 x 720 (16:9 widescreen)
Projection Lens: Fully recessed 12 element zoom lens, all glass, F/2.4-2.8, 21-27mm focal length
(1.3:1 zoom ratio) with rack and pinion focus and zoom control
Color Wheel: Proprietary, 6-segment color wheel (6500K color temperature), D65 color calibration
Calibrated Contrast Ratio: 3000:1 full on/full off, typical
Lamp (dual mode): 160/200 Watt SHP, 3000 hours average lifetime**
Video Optimized Lumens: 1000 ANSI max
Projection Modes: Front/rear/ceiling mode
Focusing Distance: 5' (1.5m) to ∞
Keystone Correction: Digital, up to +/- 20° vertical
SMPTE Brightness: Up to 12' (3.7m) wide on a 1.0 gain screen
Video Processing: Pixelworks DNX 10 bit video decoder and scaler, advanced motion adaptive
deinterlacing for Standard and High Definition sources (including 1080i), 3D comb filter
Throw Ratio: 1.52:1 - 1.92:1 (distance/width)
GENERAL
Product Dimensions: 4.7" (120mm) Height x 14.2"(360mm) Width x 14.2"(360mm) Depth, not including stand
Weight: 9.3 lb (4.2 kg)
Power Supply: 100V - 240V at 50/60 Hz
Operating Temperature: 50° F (10° C) - 95° F (35° C)
Operating Altitude: 0 - 7500' (2300m)
Conformances: UL, c-UL, TUV GS, GOST, C-Tick, NOM, IRAM, FCC Class B, ICES-003 Class B, CISPR22/
EN55022, EN55024/CISPR 24, CB certified in accordance with IEC60950 1/EN60950 1,
MIC, CE, CCC, VCCI, WEEE
Ships with: Power cord, home entertainment remote control, composite cable, printed Quick Start
Card, CD-Rom with User's Guide
Warranty: 1 year parts and labor, 90 days for accessories - Additional extended product
warranties available
Lamp Warranty: 90 days - Additional extended 1 year lamp warranty available
Menu Languages: English, Spanish, French, German, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Italian, Norwegian,
Russian, Chinese Traditional, Chinese Simplified
* InFocus reserves the right to alter product offerings and specifications at any time without notice.
** Actual lamp life may vary based on the ambient environment. Conditions that may affect lamp life
include temperature, altitude or rapidly switching the projector on and off.

Sounds good to me....Prices seem to be coming down and I will be purchasing in the next 8-12 months.

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Anyone want to hazzard a guess as to relative street prices??? Hopefully, there'll be some good deals from the start because of the stiff competition in this price range.

I hope the drop in warranty length isn't indicitive of the quality.

I'm at around a mile high (in approx. the same ballpark as Denver). Will the IN76 (or any of the new line for that matter) work well in the low lamp mode, or is the high altitude going to be a factor?

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I'm looking into upgrading from my three year old X1 to the new IN76. I was at the short throw end of the X1's range, which is very similar to the long throw end of the IN76's range. With the reduced vertical offset of the IN76, it looks like I can hang the IN76 just below my X1. See attached simulation. Perfect for A-B comparisons.
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1. Right now the projector automatically sets the digital video level based on the input type. For all video formats the projector will set the levels to DVI-V and for computer formats it will set it to the full DVI range. We also plan to implement a user controllable switch in the software but it is unclear at this time whether it will make the first production release of the product.

Thanks for the answer, Bob; however, won't this be an issue for HTPC users using vmr9 as the video renderer (since we have to restrict the 0-255 to 16-235)? It would seem to me that the IN7X would set an HTPC running vmr9 to the full DVI range. A user controllable setting would be awesome!!

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Bob - Does the IN76 use the new DDP3020 as a DMD controller? If not, does the IN76 have anything proprietary to reduce the DLP panning dithering artifacts?


All,

I don't think this was highlighted:

>Lamp Warranty: 90 days - Additional extended 1 year lamp warranty available

For those of us dealing with the MT700's, PE7700's, or H7x lamp failures this seems like a pretty good deal for a year of worry free projecting. The price on the net is very reasonable. That, along with Infocus' reputation, may push me over the edge on this pj.

EDIT: Removed MSRP speculation.
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Bob Williams. The only reason the IN76 is still in the running for me.

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Any chance of the firmware including a digital lens shift? Having the ability to move a 2.35:1 image to the top or the bottom of the screen would sure make masking a lot easier.

No it does not. This is one of the items that was on the list of nice-to-haves, and we just did not have time to implement it.
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Does Infocus have any plans to release these PJ's in any other colors ?

Not at this time.

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Would having no screens allow dust to build up on the lamp and possibly affect it's performance ?

There is a small tradeoff between having screens and not having them in that the lamp is exposed to more dust without them. However, unless someone is religious about cleaning screens every week I believe that getting rid of them promises more lamp life than having them. We really drove to have a zero maintenance product here.

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Could you specify what the recommended seating distance will be for the IN76 ?

1.33 times the screen width

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How many use presets will be available and will there be more than one per input ?

There are 3 user presets as well as one remembered for every connector. We have also added a default preset to get you back to the factory setting if you get lost. Also, there are now discrete remote codes for each preset.

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Would you care to elaborate on which video torture tests the Pixelworks and Faroudja chips outperformed each other on ?

I would prefer users to get their hands on a projector and test it for themselves because this is subjective and I am unfortunately biased.
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Does Infocus have any plans for 1080p ?

As I have said before, I cannot comment on any unannounced products.
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I have a quick question about the new DC2 chip in the IN76, are the black levels any different than in the older DC2 chips? How about compared to the 4805 (my current projector)?

The black levels of the DLP devices themselves should be the same, but we have improved the optical engine a bit to get the contrast higher than before. That's why we can claim 3000:1 contrast for the IN74 and IN76. I believe the average contrast we are measuring for the IN72 is higher than the SP4805 as well, although we are claiming the same contrast as before.
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Thanks for the answer, Bob; however, won't this be an issue for HTPC users using vmr9 as the video renderer (since we have to restrict the 0-255 to 16-235)? It would seem to me that the IN7X would set an HTPC running vmr9 to the full DVI range. A user controllable setting would be awesome!!

That's why we are planning on making it the user's choice as to the video levels desired, but this function may have to wait for the first firmware maintenance release.
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That's why we are planning on making it the user's choice as to the video levels desired, but this function may have to wait for the first firmware maintenance release.

Is digital lens shift on the firmware development timeline? Or was it dropped completely?
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Bob - Does the IN76 use the new DDP3020 as a DMD controller? If not, does the IN76 have anything proprietary to reduce the DLP panning dithering artifacts?

No, it uses the DDP1010 controller which is the same as we use on the SP7210. As far as "DLP panning dithering" or what we like to call temporal contouring is concerned, I will say that I believe we spend more time optimizing the bit sequences for the DLP devices than anyone, and they are proprietary to us alone. The bit sequences determine the mirror behavior during each frame of the image.
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Bob Williams. The only reason the IN76 is still in the running for me.

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Totally agree. I was starting to get set on the Optoma H72 until Bob chimed in... (I still reserve final opinion until we get some real life PQ reviews.... ohhh and a real life street price from both vendors).
Regardless - thanks Bob!

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Yah...right now it's Lens Shift (AN110), Cheap (H72) or Bob (IN76).

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