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OFFICIAL IN72, IN74 & IN76 DISCUSSION THREAD

I guess as the OP in this thread I have some responsibility to present some links and current info right here in the first post.

As a start, here are more current reviews/links:

InFocus Play Big IN76 Projector Review - Overview (Ref: Dave Mack)
Cine4Home - Test: DLP Projector Infocus PlayBig IN76 (Ref: Smyth22) Will add more as it comes to me. PM me with any links you think would be appropriate. The original first post:
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InFocus to launch three new home projectors in 1Q 2006

Emily Chuang, DigiTimes.com, Taipei [Thursday 22 December 2005]

Front projector industry pioneer InFocus will release three front video projectors for the consumer segment from its Play Big projector series in the first quarter of 2006. Included will be enhanced and high definition models using the latest DLP technology.

The Play Big IN72 will target mainstream consumers. Prices at US$1,299, the projector will feature 480p enhanced definition. The Play Big IN74 is for custom dealers looking to magnify customers' large-screen viewing experiences including gaming, entertaining and movie nights. The IN74 will provide native 16:9 [576p] resolution in the United States as well as in Wide PAL countries. The projector will be priced at US$1,699. For the higher-end of the market, the Big IN76 is priced at US$2,499 and provides native 720p high-definition resolution.

According to Pacific Media Associates, the worldwide market for front projectors is expected to steadily grow from US$6.5 billion in 2004 to US$9.0 billion in 2007, representing a compound annual growth rate of 11%.

In the third quarter of this year, InFocus had revenues of US$130.3 million and negative gross margins. Although InFocus' shipments were up 6.6% on year through the first nine months of this year, its revenues were down 14.2%.

According to a filing with the SEC, the company is currently transitioning its OEM projector business to China-based South Mountain Technologies (SMT), a 50-50 owned joint venture between InFocus and TCL.

Approximately 70% of InFocus' revenues currently come from the US market.


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WHy is 16:9 crossed out on the 576P model? I am in the minority in that I like what 576 P offers so this PJ is very interesting to me. Is it not 16:9?

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he's just saying the press release called it a "16:9" projector, but they should have notated it's resolution instead....all three are 16:9 PJ's
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Hopefully we'll see these from other sources besides the ScreenPlay channels. The IN76 at $2500 MSRP should hopefully push all the other 1280x768 DLPs prices down.

If the IN76 is 1000L or more it may end up on my short list as I don't think I want to spring for the SX50 which is currently my front runner.

Of course, I should wait for news of that hinted at forum changing INFS offering later in '06.

If the 720 DLPs do manage to get sub-$2K this year (either INFS or others) I can't see the IN72 as having much legs. Especially at $1300 MSRP.

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Hopefully we'll see these from other sources besides the ScreenPlay channels. The IN76 at $2500 MSRP should hopefully push all the other 1280x768 DLPs prices down.

If the IN76 is 1000L or more it may end up on my short list as I don't think I want to spring for the SX50 which is currently my front runner.

Of course, I should wait for news of that hinted at forum changing INFS offering later in '06.

If the 720 DLPs do manage to get sub-$2K this year (either INFS or others) I can't see the IN72 as having much legs. Especially at $1300 MSRP.

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It seems as if Infocus has killed the "Screenplay" name. We can only hope they also say goodbye to the lame channel marketing strategy for the higher end models. I'd expect to see the IN72 at sub 1K upon release. If it's as far below 1K as many think it will be it will have plenty of legs. Despite what others may say, 480 is still a viable technology for an entry level product. The IN76 specs say: Video Optimized Lumens - 1000

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cool!
But it would be a good idea to wait for some official
specs to be released instead of speculations and
growing the thread to some 50 pages before
anyone puts a first review.

it would really help people if they dont have to go thru
50 pages of speculations and ranting before they can
find out anything about the projector.

or if people want to speculate do others a favor by
starting a new thread once official specs are released
and owners of the units start writing reviews.

it might be owners pride to cross some 500 pages but
after you filter all the speculations and rantings like

"I got my PJ and I am throwing it on a purple wall and it is great"

or

"my wife called me that the PJ arrived and I cant wait to go home"

there may only be some 50 pages of useful stuff left and it makes
it so hard for someone who is seriously looking for technical info
if he or she has to go through the rest 450 pages of ranting.

So lets keep it short and to the point.
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Anyone know if the IN76 has lens shift?
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Did I miss something, or is the IN72 basically the 4805 in a cool new case? Guess we'll need to wait to see some specs. (Then I can start the months long process of convincing myself that my 4805 is a piece of crap that I need to get rid of so I can buy the next new thing to come along.)
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is the IN72 basically the 4805 in a cool new case?

Generally "yes" but with the following changes:
  • Lower noise: <20dB
  • Greater contrast: >3000:1
  • Better lens system: 12-element
  • Brighter: 900 Lumens
  • Additional input: HDMI
  • Faster colour wheel: 5x
  • No audio input / speaker

More ..... ???

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4805 wasn't already 5x?

Checking their website, I see they've removed all reference to "DarkChip2" on the 4805 pages. Guess that's in preparation for the "still only DarkChip2" new lineup coming, so people don't realize the new stuff is just a rebox of old tech. Then again, the 4805 is still competitive, and if all they felt they needed to do was fix it's biggest problem (noisy), then that's all good for new buyers. Won't make me upgrade, but that price point on the 1280x768 unit might (is it x720 or x768? If only x720, then that Mitsu is still looking better).
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Generally "yes" but with the following changes:
  • Lower noise: <20dB
  • Greater contrast: >3000:1
  • Better lens system: 12-element
  • Brighter: 900 Lumens
  • Additional input: HDMI
  • Faster colour wheel: 5x
  • No audio input / speaker

More ..... ???

What exactly is a 12-element lens system?
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cool!
But it would be a good idea to wait for some official
specs to be released instead of speculations and
growing the thread to some 50 pages before
anyone puts a first review.

it would really help people if they dont have to go thru
50 pages of speculations and ranting before they can
find out anything about the projector.

or if people want to speculate do others a favor by
starting a new thread once official specs are released
and owners of the units start writing reviews.

it might be owners pride to cross some 500 pages but
after you filter all the speculations and rantings like

"I got my PJ and I am throwing it on a purple wall and it is great"

or

"my wife called me that the PJ arrived and I cant wait to go home"

there may only be some 50 pages of useful stuff left and it makes
it so hard for someone who is seriously looking for technical info
if he or she has to go through the rest 450 pages of ranting.

So lets keep it short and to the point.


Personally id rather have to filter thru some "I got my PJ and I am throwing it on a purple wall and it is great" posts then have to read complaint posts such as yours.
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What exactly is a 12-element lens system?

Go to any website that discusses camera lenses and you'll find out.
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Personally id rather have to filter thru some "I got my PJ and I am throwing it on a purple wall and it is great" posts then have to read complaint posts such as yours.


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4805 wasn't already 5x?

Checking their website, I see they've removed all reference to "DarkChip2" on the 4805 pages. Guess that's in preparation for the "still only DarkChip2" new lineup coming, so people don't realize the new stuff is just a rebox of old tech. Then again, the 4805 is still competitive, and if all they felt they needed to do was fix it's biggest problem (noisy), then that's all good for new buyers. Won't make me upgrade, but that price point on the 1280x768 unit might (is it x720 or x768? If only x720, then that Mitsu is still looking better).

I said awhile ago that all IF needs to do to make me upgrade is a 4805 with 720p, quiet fan, a few more lumens, pre-tuned to the D65 Hollywood standard, and a video dvi preset - for $2000.

Looks like it might happen. Just have to figure out how to convince the WAF. Hell, I kinda wish they'd kept the same case. I could have just swapped it out and the WAF would have never known.

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Personally id rather have to filter thru some "I got my PJ and I am throwing it on a purple wall and it is great" posts then have to read complaint posts such as yours.

well suit yourself. add another 50 pages of speculation and ranting


I am out of here.
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It seems as if Infocus has killed the "Screenplay" name. We can only hope they also say goodbye to the lame channel marketing strategy for the higher end models. I'd expect to see the IN72 at sub 1K upon release. If it's as far below 1K as many think it will be it will have plenty of legs.

I don't think you'll see that for at least a year. The dealer cost on the IN72 will be *over* $1000 (I don't know exactly, just going on previous models). We mainly just sell projectors so we can make a little money on the screen and installation. It's like selling a computer. You can take your family out to a nice dinner for a low end model and maybe away for a cheap weekend getaway if you sell a high-end one. It's like lunch money in the scheme of things. "Hey, Jay, I just sold an InFocus projector, wanna grab a beer? My treat!"

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What exactly is a 12-element lens system?

"...but this one goes to twelve..."
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DCDi?

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This is a great price breakthrough point, however, I still think, the projector market won't really light up until most projectors are in the sub 1k catergory, which is why the 480p projector will shine.

Alot of the PJ marketing has to do with putting these devices in stores in proper environments, however, one can only wish.
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A 12 piece lens element literally means that there are 12 separate optical discs arranged in one lens housing. Nope, its not overkill...it really improves image, contrast, color separation, etc. This lens "grouping" is probably most famous in the classic Leica lenses that employ 7 distinct optics in one small 50mm lens housing.
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DCDi?

Would be amazed if it didn't. IF seems to pride themselves on offerring it.

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one word: Wow!

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DCDi?

In72, 74 - DNX
In76 - DCDI
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Generally "yes" but with the following changes:
  • Lower noise: <20dB
  • Greater contrast: >3000:1
  • Better lens system: 12-element
  • Brighter: 900 Lumens
  • Additional input: HDMI
  • Faster colour wheel: 5x
  • No audio input / speaker

More ..... ???

Where you have found this information? Noise: <20dB - it's impossible!
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In72, 74 - DNX
In76 - DCDI

Where you have found this info?

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This info from SP distributor
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I tried a google search for "SP distributor" with no luck. Got a link?

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I think he meant "from a ScreenPlay distributor."

What's DNX?

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Eshkind - any info on the throw distance and offset?
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