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Anyone have any news on this new projector? Rainbows, lens shift???
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I notice that Projector Central has dropped the InFocus IN76 from their list of recommended 720p projectors and replaced it with the XV-Z3000.
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I know it don't have lens shift and considered a short throw, also suppose to have a dual iris. Just have to wait until people start testing it to really know much more.
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I saw it this weekend. Surprisingly, really impressive. Contrast seemed to be better than my Panny. Brighter too.

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I saw it this weekend. Surprisingly, really impressive. Contrast seemed to be better than my Panny. Brighter too.

Where did you see at? I've been bothering my a local electronics store here in the Phoenix area about it and they are clueless as to when they'll get one. I bought a 2000 two weeks ago at a discounted price and I'm going to return to 2000 in the next week b/c I saw the specs for the 3000. The people at Sharp told me they shipped the 3000 to distributers in early April.

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I notice that Projector Central has dropped the InFocus IN76 from their list of recommended 720p projectors and replaced it with the XV-Z3000.

They're recommending a projector they haven't reviewed? What's up with that?
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I see that in eco mode the fan is 30db, I really believe that is TOO HIGH! All the other new projectors are way under that.

The colour wheel is 6 seg and speed 5x.
Can someone tell me how would that compare to a colour wheel with 6seg and speed 4x?
What helps with rainbows the most, the seg or the speed?

I had the Mitsubishi HC3000 with 6seg speed 4x and I got rid of it as I saw rainbows!

Wondering if this new Sharp might be better?
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They're recommending a projector they haven't reviewed? What's up with that?

You dont think these guys on Projector Central get paid by the big boys to be on that top 5 list do you?
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I see that in eco mode the fan is 30db, I really believe that is TOO HIGH! All the other new projectors are way under that.

The colour wheel is 6 seg and speed 5x.
Can someone tell me how would that compare to a colour wheel with 6seg and speed 4x?
What helps with rainbows the most, the seg or the speed?

I had the Mitsubishi HC3000 with 6seg speed 4x and I got rid of it as I saw rainbows!

Wondering if this new Sharp might be better?

Don't quote me on this, but I believe that it is the speed of the wheel as well as other factors. The 7th or 8th segment of a wheel is just a dark section that helps with contrast.

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I see that in eco mode the fan is 30db, I really believe that is TOO HIGH! All the other new projectors are way under that.

Widescreen Review reviewed the 2000 last May and it has the same rated fan level as the 3000. I think that in eco mode, high contrast, the tester measured it at 28db. I have a 2000 and using it in high brighter mode, the iris open further, I couldn't hear the fan with the onscreen material that was taking place and the projector is about a foot behind me.

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Widescreen Review reviewed the 2000 last May and it has the same rated fan level as the 3000. I think that in eco mode, high contrast, the tester measured it at 28db. I have a 2000 and using it in high brighter mode, the iris open further, I couldn't hear the fan with the onscreen material that was taking place and the projector is about a foot behind me.

Projector Central says it is 30db in eco mode.
Panny 900 is 25db
Z4 is 22db
HD 72 is 27db

I had a projector that was 30db and it used to anoy me on quite scenes. They seem to be noiser when ceiling mounted too.
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You really can't rely on the fact that the manufacturers have rated their fans using the same methodology. A 30db fan by one manufacturer could be quieter than another manufacturers 27db fan. Between models in a line it makes more sense.

I had not noticed the ratings changes at Projector Central. While I would take such a thing with a grain of salt, it also does mean that it's probably not totally crap. The truth of the situation we'll have to see. As far as the big names paying for their inclusion, what is Infocus suddenly a small player? And Sharp is bigger in the PJ space?
[Edit - I don't see the Z3000 on PJC's recommended list, only the Z2000.]

In answer to questions about where to see this projector, I did see it for sale at some e-tailers if you search google you'll see who. I don't know if I'd buy from any of them but it does mean it's available.
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Projector Central didn't review the XV-Z3000, they reviewed the XV-Z2000.

Sound and Vision just did a review of a 8 projectors, and the XV-Z3000 was included. The reviewer wasn't too enthusiastic about it, noting an inaccurate greyscale and a somewhat softer picture.

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Projector Central didn't review the XV-Z3000, they reviewed the XV-Z2000.

Sound and Vision just did a review of a 8 projectors, and the XV-Z3000 was included. The reviewer wasn't too enthusiastic about it, noting an inaccurate greyscale and a somewhat softer picture.

I guess what the reviewer saw was based on after calibration results?

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Ok, I just went to Sound and Vision's website. Needless to say, the reviewer wasn't positive at all about the 3000. His review wasn't as in-depth as Greg Roger's reviews are at Widescreen Review, but you get the point rather quickly. I think that I'm going to return my 2000 and try to get some more reviews on the 3000.

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I guess what the reviewer saw was based on after calibration results?

Yes, the projectors were calibrated. However, some of this would also depend on the reviewer's calibration skills.

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I read that review also when it came in the mail awhile back. I'm not sure I see the point of saying how the PJ looked, using the presets out of the box, regarding black level. Also they didn't mention using the iris at all, or even mention it it for that matter.

I'm not that impressed with S&V anyway so I rather someone else tested it, before getting a idea how well it works. I know the 2000 model has a black level thats ok, if you use the iris. Sharp claims a much higher contrast ratio on the 3000.
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I read that review also when it came in the mail awhile back. I'm not sure I see the point of saying how the PJ looked, using the presets out of the box, regarding black level. Also they didn't mention using the iris at all, or even mention it it for that matter.

I'm not that impressed with S&V anyway so I rather someone else tested it, before getting a idea how well it works. I know the 2000 model has a black level thats ok, if you use the iris. Sharp claims a much higher contrast ratio on the 3000.


As I mentioned above, I would like to see Widescreen Review review the 3000. You're right. The reviewer didn't mention what position the iris was in, he didn't show any charts concerning where the greyscale was before and after calibration and a handfull of other items. The review was kind of barebones.

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Top 20 Home Theater Projectors
Rankings based on popularity.
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Read the fine print. That list is a click rate by their site visitors. They are not reccommendations. For a while the Sony Qualia was the "most popular". It is always the case that the new thing of the month is going to garner the most hits.....


You have to read their highly rated reviews for PJC recommendations. And they don't say what it takes to get on that list - the SP7210 and SP7205 are - with a higher ranking for value than the IN76. Take that for what it is worth....You also see neither of them are most "popular". So you can infer nobody is going to be clicking on them since they do not have dealer referral links when they are not sold online....
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This is my personal review 'first-hand' on this Projector.
Follow the link for details...

http://www.xtremeplace.com/temp/images/z3000/index.htm
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I have made my personnal review of the SHARP 3000 here but sorry it's in French :

http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/v...er=asc&start=0

I took photographs which shows a defect of convergences on my projector. Defect involving a blur with the screen. This phenomenon is really awkward and makes me regret my sharp Z2000.

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kraine, desray2k: Thanks for the reviews, really interested to know more about this pj. Very nice to hear you compare it to the xv-z2000 which I've seen a couple of times.

How would you compare noise level of z3k vs the xv-z2000? Is motion blur/panning better on z3k?

kraine: Where does the 5200:1 CR come from? Has anyone measured it?

Does anyone have measurements on light output for the different iris modes?
There was talk of a dynamic contrast system, either lamp-modulation or iris, can you confirm?

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I notice that Projector Central has dropped the InFocus IN76 from their list of recommended 720p projectors and replaced it with the XV-Z3000.


Correction: Projector Central replaced it with the XV-Z2000, not the XV-Z3000.
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Here is my poorly translated and paraphrased version of the French review above:

Here are my first impressions of the new DLP projector from SHARP, the XV-Z3000.
His predecessor having been one of my pets during long months, I was impatient
to see what this new PJ could do with its improveded contrast and its high
brightness. (At least according to the technical specifications).


First of all the test conditions: the projector was tested in my dedicated room,
on a on a 2.5 M (diagonal?) projection screen without profit (gain?). The projector
was positioned 3.50 m back from the screen. At this distance I could not fill the
screen completely. This is already a large difference compared to the sharp 2000
which filled the screen. The throw distance is thus not the same.

Two connections were tested, 720p HDMI and the progressive YUV from pioneer 989 avi
DVD player.

Design features

DLP projector equipped with a chip DMD 0,65 inches darkchip 2D
Resolution of 1280x768.
6 segment color wheel with the brillantcolor.

Contrast is given by the manufacturer to be 6500: 1 with a brightness of 1200 lumens.
Noise of operation is 30db in éco. mode

SHARP equipped its projector with a new white case that personally I do not find
very beautiful. The material employed really says “cheap”. Another concern, in
the passing of the 2000 to the 3000, the manufacturer gave up the adjustment of
x-ray and electric zoom (Power zoom and focus?) which was so practical when focussing
the image. Zoom and focus? are now done manually on the projector with two rings.

Still no lens shift, but that is common on entry level DLPs.

The user the accessible adjustment menu allows the adjustment of clearness, colour,
saturation, contrast and brightness but not of adjustment of gamma. A special
brilliant color menu is available. 6 presets of colors temperatures are offered, from
5500 to 10500 K).

Another innovation compared to the 2000, an overscan menu was added.

The 3000 keeps the following features from the 2000: a motorized iris with three levels
available, high brightness, medium, and high contrast. Contrary to the recent LCD PJs,
there is no adaptive iris.

With the Pioneer DVD player the best results were obtained in cinema 2 mode, with a color
temperature of 6500k, medium iris, lamp on éco using YUV in HDMI.


On the subjective impressions, I obtain the most pleasing image with the YUV. It is more
precise, the colors are more saturated than with HDMI connection. Nevertheless it is not
equal in my room to the quality of image of the ZV-2000, even though it has higher
contrast and more brightness. The image is hurt by a lack of definition, so I must
abound in the direction of the conclusions of smeagol????.

A clearly visible misalignment on test images seems to be at the origin of this defect,
I highlighted it as well in HDMI 720P as in YUV, the proof in image:

Strong points: Very bright, even with the closed iris
Bright colors
Superb image in component connection YUV
ANSI Contrast is excellent, the legibility of the night scenes is perfect

Weak points: Defect of convergence
Focal distance not short enough
Noise of operation are equivalent to the noise of my TT (Adui?)
No power zoom and focus as on its predecessor
Less precise image in HDMI 720p than with the YUV
No the user control of gamma
Plastic case seems really cheap


The usual disclaimers apply.

Mike

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Interesting information. Thanks guys!
I wonder what the HT optimized / D65 Calibrated contrast really is. We all know that manufacturers claimed specs are usually meaningless, but I wonder how this compares to the higher measuring DC2s like the Samsung 710.
I'm sure it will require more calibration out of the box compared to the Samsung, but other than that, I wonder how a ISF calibrated Z3000 would compare.
Its also not clear to me if there really are 2 irises in Z3000 or if dual iris refers to different settings (optimize brightness / optimize contrast?) It would be very strange if there really were 2 irises and still no DI.
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Changing the throw distance and zoom range that much isn't going to be very helpful, for people changing from the Z2000 to the 3000. I'm kind of surprised they did that, might have been a cost thing.

I assume more will start showing up in the US soon and then more can test it out.
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Very good translation golfnz34me

I made new tests today by moving back the projector. Not to use the zoom, here the result with the image.








nothing to compare with that, zoom maxi :



2 screenshots :




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Anything new to report, now that you've used the projector for a few days?

Regarding the slight chromatic aberration visible with the lines, is it visible at both extremes of the zoom?
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Hi
I would love to know if this projector is bright enough to light up a 120" screen?
and how it compares to the in76 in brightness?.I can purchase the z3000 cheap from japan whereas i am haveing trouble finding someone in the US that will ship the in76 to Australia.

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umm...i guess i must be blind but I really didn't see projectorcentral recommending the sharp 3000?

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