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I hope it has less offset release than 30%+

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Nice price, but it sounds exactly the same as the HD72 minus the chip so it will probably be the same offset. Too bad I am RBE sensitive as this looks like a great deal.

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It says 16:10 aspect ratio, but it also says native 720p. Which is it? I hope it's 1280X720, since I don't use a computer.
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So it's going to be the battle of $2k DC3 machines HC3100 vs. HD73. I can feel the upgrade itch already
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MSRP = $1,999 so you know what that means. With the user comments on the HD70 $999 I think the HD70 will be the next SP4805 and the most talked about machine for a year or two. I'm sure Infocus will respond but I don't see anyone doing better for the money they may equil it but the HD70 sure looks like a jugernaut and the this HD73 looks awesome too if it's buyable for the right amount.
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It will be a surprise if the HD73 won't street for $1500, it simply doesn't seem to have enough advantage over the HD70 to justify a higher street price., unless they found a way to drastically reduce rainbows.
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The HC3100 has a selectable 5X color wheel - I wonder if Optoma will do the same?
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It will be a surprise if the HD73 won't street for $1500, it simply doesn't seem to have enough advantage over the HD70 to justify a higher street price., unless they found a way to drastically reduce rainbows.

While that would be nice, it would put the HD72 in a tough spot. I can't see them having 3 models within $500.
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Wow! A 720p DarkChip3 DLP with Brilliant Color, Image AI, True Vivid and Faroudja DCDi at $1999? Again, Wow. Man, the competition in digital projection is fierce!
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The HC3100 has a selectable 5X color wheel - I wonder if Optoma will do the same?

Yea, we need more actual stats for the HD73 if its public info we should be able to find some, was in not at the show?
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Wow! A Darkchip 3 720p DLP with Brilliant Color, Image AI, True Vivid and Faroudja DCDi at $1999? Again, Wow. Man, the competition in digital projection is fierce!


Optoma is really coming out guns blazing in the budget market. Let's hope the projectors turn out to be good. Where's Mupi to tell us it's all going to be crap
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So it's going to be the battle of $2k DC3 machines HC3100 vs. HD73. I can feel the upgrade itch already

Yeah, I was going to wait till a 1080p LCD\\DLP was affordable but these 2 DLP's have me itching already!!!

It's a shame they can't just slide out that 768p chip and go on a put in a 1080p chip for me at the same price. I'd be in heaven then.

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And oh, too bad no picture but I bet it looks almost exactly like the HD72. While its not bad looking, I love the look of the HD7100 and the HD7300.

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Optoma is really coming out guns blazing in the budget market. Let's hope the projectors turn out to be good. Where's Mupi to tell us it's all going to be crap


There's no need to hope. It's Optoma. Quality is pretty much a gurantee. Their new DC3 will almost certainly clearly outdo the H79 (and the HD7100 H79 replacement) that was raved about not that long ago.

I wonder how long before a good DC3 DLP retails for $1,500 and how much longer before one retails for $999.

I'm wondering how much effect this will have on 8" and 9" CRT projectors.
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Optoma seems to be dropping the ridiculously exaggerated list prices in favor of MSRPs that actually reflect the street price.

Since the HD70 is pre-selling for $999, it would be reasonable for the HD73 to sell close to its MSRP of $2,000, with the HD72 squared perfectly between the two at near $1,500.

Just given the specs it seems like a nicely distributed "budget" product line that is agressive and consumer friendly. InFocus better start taking notes because if they can deliver, Optoma is poising itself to dominate the lower end of the market.
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is this the 4x RGBRGB-W colorwheel?

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Since the HD70 is pre-selling for $999, it would be reasonable for the HD73 to sell close to its MSRP of $2,000, with the HD72 squared perfectly between the two at near $1,500

Why spend $2000 USD on a 720p DLP *with rainbows*, when in several months 1080p C2Fine LCDs will street around $2500 ?. It doesn't make sense.
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Why spend $2000 USD on a 720p DLP *with rainbows*, when in several months 1080p C2Fine LCDs will street around $2500 ?. It doesn't make sense.

it makes *alot* of sense if rainbows are not an issue to the buyer and LCD contrast ratio is something you wish to avoid.

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It also makes a lot of sense if you want a beautiful DLP picture at a great price to tide you over until the 1080P DLP projectors are $2500 :-)

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MSRP = $1,999 so you know what that means. With the user comments on the HD70 $999 I think the HD70 will be the next SP4805 and the most talked about machine for a year or two. I'm sure Infocus will respond but I don't see anyone doing better for the money they may equil it but the HD70 sure looks like a jugernaut and the this HD73 looks awesome too if it's buyable for the right amount.

The press release never stated what the MSRP is, it merely stated the street price:

The Optoma HD73 home theater projector will be available in November 2006 for an estimated street price of $1,999 through authorized Optoma dealers and retailers.

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it makes *alot* of sense if rainbows are not an issue to the buyer and LCD contrast ratio is something you wish to avoid.

If rainbows are not an issue to the buyer, it will be to some of his guests.

Regarding LCD contrast, people who saw the first C2Fine pj at Berlin a few weeks ago, said LCD finally closed the gap on black levels with DLP.

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It also makes a lot of sense if you want a beautiful DLP picture at a great price to tide you over until the 1080P DLP projectors are $2500 :-)

Great, no prob, but this might happen very soon too, and in the meanwhile you'll just lose money on the HD73. Why not get the HD70 for those few months ?.
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If rainbows are not an issue to the buyer, it will be to some of his guests.

Never had a guest see rainbows. Seriously, why keep hashing up the LCD vs. DLP debate after that thread closed?? It's fine you're concerned w/ rainbows. Now buy a LCD/LCOS/DLP three chipper and be done with it...let people interested in 1-chip DLP be.
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Regarding LCD contrast, people who saw the first C2Fine pj at Berlin a few weeks ago, said LCD finally closed the gap on black levels with DLP.

The older DLPs maybe with a dynamic iris (whole nuther set of issues) - not native. And ANSI (simultaneous) contrast still suffers. Newer DLP keeps surpassing with native, ANSI contrast.
Also, LCD three chip will never be as sharp as single chip DLP. The current crop has issues with misconvergence. The tighter tolerance requirements of 1080p three chip will be even tougher to meet - especially for budget 3 chippers.
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Great, no prob, but this might happen very soon too, and in the meanwhile you'll just lose money on the HD73. Why not get the HD70 for those few months ?.

DC3 w/ 10-bit processing vs cheap DC2 with 8-bit processing, extra digital input, optics, colorwheel design, etc etc many reasons resolution is not the only factor...some may just want a quality 720p.
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Never had a guest see rainbows. Seriously, why keep hashing up the LCD vs. DLP debate after that thread closed?? It's fine you're concerned w/ rainbows. Now buy a LCD/LCOS/DLP three chipper and be done with it...let people interested in 1-chip DLP be.

Same thoughts here.
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Never had a guest see rainbows. Seriously, why keep hashing up the LCD vs. DLP debate after that thread closed?? It's fine you're concerned w/ rainbows. Now buy a LCD/LCOS/DLP three chipper and be done with it...let people interested in 1-chip DLP be.

lol man, that's really not my intention, because I'll probably settle for a DLP pj myself for the near term. I just don't like to hide flaws before I make a purchase (only after )

I'm just saying $2000 seems like a very high price for what you get:

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DC3 w/ 10-bit processing vs cheap DC2 with 8-bit processing, extra digital input, optics, colorwheel design, etc etc many reasons resolution is not the only factor...some may just want a quality 720p.

- It's a moot point whether 10-bit processing vs 8-bit processing really makes more than a very subtle difference.

- extra digital input - many people couldn't care less.

- colorwheel design - what about the colorwheel design ?, it seems to be the same old 4X/5X colorwheel. A review of the HC3100 said that when switching to 5X, more artifacts can be seen.

- optics - hard to believe without A/B comparison (or trained eye) you'll be able to tell which optics is which.

- Higher contrast ratio - this imo might be the biggest advantage, but it remains to be seen how much real world improvement you are getting here. Still we're talking about a $1000 difference.
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- It's a moot point whether 10-bit processing vs 8-bit processing really makes more than a very subtle difference.

This is the point I would like to know more about. Is there that big a difference? Has anyone done a side-by-side with 8 and 10 bit PJs?
Does it have an effect on motion?
Is the effect on dithering?

Thanks for any answers.
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I already quoted this in another thread, but it seems to be relevant again. Taken from ProjectorCentral review of the HD70 (they compared it to the HD72):

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The HD72 shows some slightly better color performance. The tonal gradient issue that we observed on the HD70 was nowhere to be seen on the HD72, primarily due to the HD72's 10-bit color processing versus the 8-bit processing on the HD70. The result is smoother, less noticeable differentiations on the HD72 than on the HD70.

The bottom line of this paragraph is: The HD72 shows some slightly better color performance. when you're into the movie you usually couldn't care less about any slight difference people see when A/B'ing pjs.

If I'm not mistaken, guitarman (who has been reviewing the HD70 for several days now) also has a 10bit processing pj, and according to what he said up to now, he finds the HD70 color not worse than anything he seen.
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I couldn't pass up the HD70 at that bargain price......while DarkChip 3 is nice, the numbers being thrown up by the current generation of DC2's are more than adequate for the task at hand.

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Exactly my thoughts HeadRusch.

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The press release never stated what the MSRP is, it merely stated the street price:

The Optoma HD73 home theater projector will be available in November 2006 for an estimated street price of $1,999 through authorized Optoma dealers and retailers.

Well your right but I'd think coming from the wbsite that they mean MSRP as they would not know what individual dealer will steet it for even if the would know the general range. I'd say better than 75% that they mean MSRP even though that have the word street there on their site. Home sites never talk street and I doubt they were either but I could be wrong. Anyway DLP has done what it takes to stay out in front for now in my book, $999 for a DC2 720 calibrated 2500+ contrast with plenty of brighness for MSRP od $999 Optima is really geting after it.
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Thats the thing........the HD70 is going to put a serious cramp in alot of peoples checkbooks because they're going to look at something like an HD73 and go.."Well..what exactly am I getting better here?". A little better CR? A little better color processing? I dunno...thats a tough sell if we're talking many hundreds of dollars. Will it have LENS SHIFT..now that would be a big selling point, wouldn't it....

DC3 is superior to DC2, yes, but since most of us in this forum shop with our wallets for the best bang-for-the-buck, and not necessarily the best PJ's out there.....its kind of hard to turn your nose at a strong bargin performer like the 70. Still, its nice to see DLP finally waking up and trying to take back a market that was basically owned by LCD's the past few yeears.

I'll be curious to see how the Panasonic LCD performs....seems like instead of really increasing the CR, theyr'e focusing more on throwing more lumens out...pitch the "Watch your PJ in daylight" route.....also waiting to see if Cine2fine changes the landscape at all.

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