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At the request of many in another projector thread, needed to start this topic.

I'll ask if anyone has actually viewed this PJ, and how they found SDE to be?
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Here is the info on this from Epson:

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/c...s&oid=63064240
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I would like to buy this projector to try out...Which sites have it to buy where you can try out as long as you keep it under 10 hrs? I know Projector People used to let you trade for another if you didn't like a certain model.
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I can already tell.... this projector is going to be a big deal. Looks like a nice compromise or a step above the Panasonic PT-AX100.... especially for us Canadians who get great competitive prices & service from Epson. (From what i've heard) Now I will not have to worry about flicker//misconvergence issues that have been reported so prominantly on the panasonic resulting in me having to ship out of the country for a repair.

I'm very very excited about this projector & I hope we start seeing some reviews. I was thinking about going to Eastporters for this projector..... seems like a fairly good deal (tax + shipping included) but since this is a Japananese model, I would most likely have to get the coverage plan to avoid shipping costs to Japan in the event I receive a dud.

I also wonder how this 810 compares to the 800??? As well... are the Japanese models TW600(800) & TW700(810) exactly the same as the 800 & 810 respectively except for the exterior color??

Does anyone have this unit yet??? Could you please post your thoughts.

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If the 700 and the 810 are the same on the inside, then some reviews of it can be found here - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=747996. I would like to know about SDE as well since I'll be sitting at or within the magic 1.5x width mark.

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I can already tell.... this projector is going to be a big deal. Looks like a nice compromise or a step above the Panasonic PT-AX100.... especially for us Canadians who get great competitive prices & service from Epson. (From what i've heard) Now I will not have to worry about flicker//misconvergence issues that have been reported so prominantly on the panasonic resulting in me having to ship out of the country for a repair.

I'm very very excited about this projector & I hope we start seeing some reviews. I was thinking about going to Eastporters for this projector..... seems like a fairly good deal (tax + shipping included) but since this is a Japananese model, I would most likely have to get the coverage plan to avoid shipping costs to Japan in the event I receive a dud.

I also wonder how this 810 compares to the 800??? As well... are the Japanese models TW600(800) & TW700(810) exactly the same as the 800 & 810 respectively except for the exterior color??

Does anyone have this unit yet??? Could you please post your thoughts.

Thanks!

Phaffendorf,

One nice property of some (all?) of the recent Epson models
from a Canadian perspective was a North American warranty.
Epson also swaps pj's when you send one in for service so you are
not without your projector for a long tiime.

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Phaffendorf,

One nice property of some (all?) of the recent Epson models
from a Canadian perspective was a North American warranty.
Epson also swaps pj's when you send one in for service so you are
not without your projector for a long tiime.

Can I purchase a model from eastporters (TW-700) that is Japanese & buy a Canadian warranty right from Epson??
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The TW700 costs 6999 Malaysian Ringgit here (1900 usd). good deal?

Is it as awesome as the AX-100 or Z5?

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Joe_Black posted some very nice screenshots in the AX100 thread. Maybe he can repost them here and tell us where he got them. I know he said a buddy was getting one soon, maybe it's his. And maybe he could show a comparison shot of the AX100 in the same setup?
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How did they double the contrast ratio from 5000:1 on the 800 to 10,000:1 on the 810? With the DI?
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How did they double the contrast ratio from 5000:1 on the 800 to 10,000:1 on the 810? With the DI?

According to Epson, the better optics are supposed to improve contrast. I'm sure they improved the DI as well. They could be using the D5+ panels, which would also help.

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I'm just now hearing about these D5+ panels. Is there any info on them?
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Guys,

I too am waiting on a "professional" review on this projector. Eons ago when I began this HT quest I did a lot of searching and came to the conclusion that the Epson 550 was the PJ for me. My dedicated basement HT has again been delayed and actually as frustrating as the delays are is is going to be a windfall in the long run. Now that I am in a holding pattern (and prices continue to fall) this 810 just maybe the "new" PJ for me. I was really looking at the Mits 5000 but I just don't think that it has the "horsepower" for the different types of viewing I am going to do. The 400 got a pretty good review from Projector Reviews and basically for the type of viewing I am going to do it is perfect, so I'm hoping that its bigger brother the 810 will just pick up on some of the 400 short comings (if you can call them that) and just keep going.

I will be doing a lot of movie watching (batcave) but I also want the option of having some lighting on for general TV watching and the occasional football game. It will be very nice to have the option to "brighten things up" when necessary as well as lowering the lights to enjoy a good movie. I just don't think at this point the new crop of 1080p projectors have the horsepower I need.

I wonder if the 1080p offering from Epson will follow in the footsteps of its siblings and offer a choice in viewing experiences (and what cost). For now I thing that the 810 is my new "short list" leader.

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ive seen this projector, with and without the HQV only saw it in action for about 30 minutes and were getting one in the shop so hopefully soon i should see it in action a little more.

according to the epson rep, the only noticeable difference between this and the 800 is better contrast and better detail...hopefully less SDE. i havn't seen the 800 but i cant stand seeing the lines seperating pixels. same bulb, so same lumens (still 1600) this projector is plenty bright.

its my understanding it uses the same panels as the 800, just different optics....the 10k contrast ratio doesn't mean a whole lot to me since there just BS numbers anyways.

and for the HQV, it definatly sharpens up the pic. to me it seemed like as soon as he flipped it on that, the pic came more into focus. not that it was out of focus before, just better now. cleaned up some noise and artififact too....definatly a improvement in less then perfect old movie transisitions...fire looked more defined and less "bloomed" more dark detail......overall, its a nice add on but i can find somewhere else to spend 3.

ill probably end up with this over the ax100...maybe the 800. epson has nice discounts for dealer/employee's
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Can I purchase a model from eastporters (TW-700) that is Japanese & buy a Canadian warranty right from Epson??

Anyone know if this is possible?? ^^
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Can we expect pro reviews of this soon -- like on Projector reviews?
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Sorry haven't had much time to post because of family holiday obligations and work, but I'll be setting up an Epson 810 vs Panasonic AX100 thread shortly. I think it should prove to be quite informative.
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Sorry haven't had much time to post because of family holiday obligations and work, but I'll be setting up an Epson 810 vs Panasonic AX100 thread shortly. I think it should prove to be quite informative.

Looking forward to it!

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I think that the main competitor of the Epson is the AX100, but I think that even though the two projectors are (from what I have read) pretty evenly matched I would still go with the 810 due to Epson customer service and some of the Panny issues that have started to pop up. Will be interesting to see how the two compare "head to head" here with first hand user reviews.

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The 810 is exactly like the Sanyo Z5, two dynamic irises, and plagued with SDE from a distance below 2X the screen width.
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The 810 is exactly like the Sanyo Z5, two dynamic irises, and plagued with SDE from a distance below 2X the screen width.

I thought the SDE on the 810 would be less than the Z5 based on the tw700 and/or the 800 reviews out there. Something about better optics on the 810 causing less SDE . . .

Hoping that 1.3 x screen width would be okay with the 810.

Or is that wrong?
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The 810 is exactly like the Sanyo Z5, two dynamic irises, and plagued with SDE from a distance below 2X the screen width.

Isn't it more like 1.5x the screen width for 720p? I suppose I might be getting that confused with DLP though, since the inter-pixel gap for DLP is smaller.
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Is the TW700 its asian cousin?

'cos i don't want to buy it only to find out it's got lower specs.

I've gone through the specfications and they're the same except for body colour.

Could you guys confirm this?

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I think whatever the distance back from the screen is SD can be somewhat eliminated by de-focusing without losing sharpness. We were very successful using the "JHouse" technique with the MLA equipped Sanyo PLV-70 (SE 20HD). This trick works only if the focus ring is turned in the correct direction. Turning it the wrong way will loose sharpness.
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I am also considering this projector, by the specs and the screen shoots it sure looks perfect. If it wasn't for the price would had bought it already, found a site for $1,795 but it turn out they were one of the sites out of N.Y.

Sure love to get my hand's on one, oh well

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Is the TW700 its asian cousin?

'cos i don't want to buy it only to find out it's got lower specs.

I've gone through the specfications and they're the same except for body colour.

Could you guys confirm this?

TW700 and Epson 810 are indentical specs except the 810 has a black casing.
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I am also considering this projector, by the specs and the screen shoots it sure looks perfect. If it wasn't for the price would had bought it already, found a site for $1,795 but it turn out they were one of the sites out of N.Y.

Sure love to get my hand's on one, oh well

I have seen a few of these sites out of N.Y. They seem to sell grey market projectors. The prices are very tempting. Does anyone have any experiences with these sites.

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SDE isn't an issue with the Epson 810 and it's superior optics.

Panasonic's Blurrscreen isn't the only way to eliminate SDE contrary to what some will want you to believe.

Epson 810

"Largest aperture ratio available for a smooth picture that eliminates "screen door" effect. Reliable picture quality with uniform colors, increased contrast ratio and deeper blacks."
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Come on, Joe, seriously? You're gonna quote the marketing pitch about SDE? After all the criticism you've thrown at the Panasonic, you better come up with some solid evidence for this rather than marketing copy. Tell me how "superior optics" = no screen door?
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