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post #181 of 1401 Old 06-16-2007, 11:59 AM
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hi guys, i have just bought the sony vpl-aw15 and im not happy. i wanna change because the sony has to much sde and its too dark.

Can we get a little more info? Maybe a little more detailed description of your complaints.

I have a nearly 20 year old Sharp LCD with 250 lumens that I used to use on a 80" screen before I got my HS10 and even that was acceptable(but not great) in a dark room?
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susu2k i will tell u this panasonic Image Quality will not be like z5 or aw15. so if u need light
go with panasonic. 12ft back SDE is not a problem with aw-15.i have aw15 on 100inch 15ft back and lighting is no problem. this is a pj not a tv come oooon susu2k what up. GOOD
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My guess is that he doesn't like deep black. I know some purposely elevate their black level.
If he doesn't get enough detail in the black he needs to calibrate his unit with DVE or similar software. My HS51a puts out an amazing PQ and I own a top notch CRT in the same room. My Sony has about 400 hrs on the bulb and still it is much brighter than my CRT and good enough for any taste. Sony's bulb don't lose brightness a quick as some other bulbs due to its low wattage.

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susu2k, Get into the service menu and change the close iris setting to 200 save and exit.
Shadow detail will improve immensly by that setting. You also need to set up your RGB bias.
Out of box the bias are set to low and somewhat reddish low end grayscale. Do the RGB bias before the iris tweak and report back if you keep the pj.

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no i had to set brightness to 100 in order to see some details on the dress. it was just black. no contures etc... and the picture is not bright enough. and i dont wanna use lamp mode high... believe me i tried everything with no luck :-/

is the panasonic in eco mode as bright as the sony in normal mode? shoud be with 1600 ansi? i read that there is not a huge difference from eco to normal with the panny is this true? and how about sde?


in short, is the panny a good projector for gaming and movies. and has it good details in black areas?

and very important: Is it good with HDMI and has it less sde as the aw15?????

i need less sde and more brightness in 65k in eco mode! i heard that color reproduction of the panasonic is excellent due to it's filters! is this true??? heeeeeeeeeeelpp

@caspian: is the panasonics lamp unusable in eco mode after 300 hours?

btw, thanks for the answer caspian
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I was in my local best buy in Melbourne Florida and they have one in stock at list price
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hello

has the panasonic a good signal via hdmi on computer. dvi2hdmi with 1280x720? os is it pixelated and has black bars or such?

thanks for your answer markc.


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susu2k.

Since you've obviously given up AW15, I think you will get more responses in a Panasonic thread.
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Yes, lets try to keep this thread on track with reports of the Sony AW15
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no i had to set brightness to 100 in order to see some details on the dress. it was just black. no contures etc... and the picture is not bright enough.

That is just not possible that you needed brightness at 100.
Calibrated brightness value of my HS51a is 45.
I also think your claim that it is dim for your 70" screen is highly suspicious as well.

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Contrast...80~95
Brightness...45~55
Color...50~55
Tint...0


Black level...off...don't leave this on as it limits shadow detail
Gamma...2
Color temp...Movie, Standard or Dynamic
Iris...Auto1 or 2
Lamp mode...Low
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strange. i had exactly this settings... but for me, this isnt the main point anymore. sde is very bad here as there is no more mirco lens... so sde is much more visible as in the hs60..

panasonic has less sde and is brighter correct? in fact the panny is also a great projector isnt it? has the panny good color reproduction?

the panny is just a bit louder

i heard about problems with the panny but it seems that they have been fixed since the firmware update, correct?


regards and thanks caspian for your help
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strange. i had exactly this settings... but for me, this isnt the main point anymore. sde is very bad here as there is no more mirco lens... so sde is much more visible as in the hs60..

panasonic has less sde and is brighter correct? in fact the panny is also a great projector isnt it? has the panny good color reproduction?

the panny is just a bit louder

i heard about problems with the panny but it seems that they have been fixed since the firmware update, correct?


regards and thanks caspian for your help

Yes AW15's are still equipped with Mcro array lens as HS60 which is a good thing.
Panny is brighter a bit but after calibration you should get somewhat more lumen than Sony. I would say get the panny and make a comparison and keep the one you like. Color wouldn't be as nice but extra lumen and smooth screen might be more pleasing to you. But be aware of green cast in panny at least the one I saw had it. It also offers one year warranty. On overall basis it is toss up imo. Check out the Sharp 500 or 3000 they are better PJ's than Panny IMO but they are DLP's and RBE, dithering and sequential color processing are not for me. SDE can be remedied by sitting about two feet farther back than DLP and Smooth screen might make the PQ to soft to some viewers.

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caspian can you post some pictures of your HS60 or whatever you have so I can have something to reference to I am still trying to decide between the aw15 and the Z5.

Thanks

Just turned on my first projector on 17 Aug 2007 and I think I am hooked :).

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I am not sure what you want me to photo! My PJ is HS51A.
I am getting a digcam soon.
Last night I played couple of HD DVD's and sony looked srunning. It is one of those pj that will stay in my theater for a long time even then I probably use it somewhere else. But there are always better ones.

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Just so I can see some of the older model sony shots that way I could actually see one before I bought and the newer pj should look better. But since you dont have a camera it is cool.

Just turned on my first projector on 17 Aug 2007 and I think I am hooked :).

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Snoopy,

Any more thoughts, observations, or comments? Please go on and on about every detail.
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I have not play hd-dvd or blu-ray movies but when i do i will let you no.
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Rahim, you know screen shots can be deceiving in both ways.
I am getting a better camera and try to post some eventhough I have never done that before.

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Rahim, you know screen shots can be deceiving in both ways.

VERY true. Also... you don't see alot of screen shots of just a white image. Seems like it would be one of the best ways to determine raw output.

Thanx in advance Caspian.

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I am just having a hard time deciding make the decision, can you make it for me? I am just wondering if the sony would be bright enough with a da lite HP screen or if I should opt for the marinally brighter Z5.

Just turned on my first projector on 17 Aug 2007 and I think I am hooked :).

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Could somebody compare SDE of the Sony AW15 to the old Sony HS10? Is SDE worse, equal or better on the AW15?
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Could somebody compare SDE of the Sony AW15 to the old Sony HS10? Is SDE worse, equal or better on the AW15?

If I buy the AW15 I will do that. But I am torn. I hate rebates so much, I will probably skip the Z5 and end up with the AW15. But still torn.
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Mine will be delivered on wednesday. I have an 18 month old panny 900 at the moment with 2200 hrs on it. I will post my opinions of it after I get it also some screen shots for what their worth.
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Mine will be delivered on wednesday. I have an 18 month old panny 900 at the moment with 2200 hrs on it. I will post my opinions of it after I get it also some screen shots for what their worth.

Awesome, I'm sure I'm not the only one looking forward to your comparison. And please be sure to comment on SDE, brightness and contrast (after calibration of course).

And if possible, when you take pictures, please take a close-up shot of both the Sony and the Panasonic so we can meaningfully compare screen door effect. I don't mean to insult you if are already a pro at taking screen shots but my advice for best results would be:
  • You can set the projectors to show a white image so SDE is most visible, but more meaningful is a paused shot of a bright scene in an actual movie (sky w/clouds, sunlit face, etc...)
  • Setup the camera on something stationary about 8-12 inches from the screen
  • Use your camera's macro mode which allows you to focus between something like 4 and 18 inches (designated by a flower symbol on Canon cameras)
  • Turn off your flash
  • If the pictures end up too dim, put your camera in manual mode and lengthen the exposure so it can capture more light and detail (on Canon's I use "+2")
  • Use the timer to take the picture, it might blur if you try to manually press the button
  • Don't move the camera between pictures of different projectors so the comparison is exact.
  • Take one whole-screen picture of the close-up you are using to show SDE, so others can estimate how tight in you are on the screen.
  • List the screen size, material and distance of the camera to the screen the picture was taken at.

Thanks a bunch!
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Could somebody compare SDE of the Sony AW15 to the old Sony HS10? Is SDE worse, equal or better on the AW15?

HS10' had less sde than aw15 due to higher panel's pixel density.
HP is an over kill for this projector. Any 1.3 gain screen should be enough for AW15.
Get your projector from some one with return policy so you can try it before committing to it.

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Did anyone notice that prices on the AW15 seem to have gone up recently? It is $100 higher at J & R from last time I checked and Amazon is now selling the AW15 for $200 more than MSRP! What is going on?
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Awesome, I'm sure I'm not the only one looking forward to your comparison. And please be sure to comment on SDE, brightness and contrast (after calibration of course).

And if possible, when you take pictures, please take a close-up shot of both the Sony and the Panasonic so we can meaningfully compare screen door effect. I don't mean to insult you if are already a pro at taking screen shots but my advice for best results would be:
  • You can set the projectors to show a white image so SDE is most visible, but more meaningful is a paused shot of a bright scene in an actual movie (sky w/clouds, sunlit face, etc...)
  • Setup the camera on something stationary about 8-12 inches from the screen
  • Use your camera's macro mode which allows you to focus between something like 4 and 18 inches (designated by a flower symbol on Canon cameras)
  • Turn off your flash
  • If the pictures end up too dim, put your camera in manual mode and lengthen the exposure so it can capture more light and detail (on Canon's I use "+2")
  • Use the timer to take the picture, it might blur if you try to manually press the button
  • Don't move the camera between pictures of different projectors so the comparison is exact.
  • Take one whole-screen picture of the close-up you are using to show SDE, so others can estimate how tight in you are on the screen.
  • List the screen size, material and distance of the camera to the screen the picture was taken at.

Thanks a bunch!
-Matt

wow I will give it a go as you request but I am no expert at this.

my screen is a carada
126 Inch Diagonal Criterion 1.78 to 1 Model Number: H126C
Screen Material -Brilliant White

and my projector is shelf mounted approx 18ft from the screen
we sit around 13ft from the screen
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BTW, aside from using the Macro mode for SDE screen shots, my advice pretty much holds for all screen shots... keep the camera stable, use a timer, turn off the flash and lengthen the exposure if necessary. Thanks again.
-Matt
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