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I also agree that the European price should not be taken too seriously. There have been plenty of occasions where high dollar gear actually costs substantially more in Euro than in dollars at the time of release. There is more going on than just tarrifs. I have even seen some high end speakers for sale in British pounds for the same amount as the US dollar price--and that is over a 2:1 ratio these days.
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Europeans always pay more than us gringos, thats how its always been, just look at their gas prices, hell a coke in France costs like 5 dollars...hell no im paying that much for a coke.
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You definitely shoudn't take the 3500 euro as the US price. That lady (at IFA) said it a week ago, while Epson said $2699 (for USA) two days ago (and afterwards retracted).
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hell no im paying that much for a coke.

"ayyyyy then you aint gettin no coke"
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I heard that the price for the pro will be 4999 while the price for the home will be 3999 or more.... just what i've heard at the home theater store I work .....
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If the TW2000 is the only pj with dramatically updated native contrast, and the only pj which offer a long lamp warranty, plus the only pj which sells at a low price of $2699, then can you give me one reason why should anyone buy from a competitor ?

Dust blobs, maybe?
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I heard that the price for the pro will be 4999 while the price for the home will be 3999 or more.... just what i've heard at the home theater store I work .....

If Epson hasn't even committed to a price point yet, then how in the world are they starting to disseminate pricing to retailers yet? Sounds like speculation by a wholesale distributor to me.

Also bear in mind that the original price point for the 1080 Pro was $4999 and the Home was $2999. I have a hard time believing that the jump to the UB models will close that gap to $1K. I think what is more likely is that the Home UB will also be $2999, but will drop the warranty to 2 years and drop the lamp warranty altogether (except for the standard 3 month defect warranty).

The trend is always downward. So my guess is that even with new features (and "breakthrough" features as they are touted), the worst they will do is hold to the old price point, not go up.

Of course we are all guessing. Has anyone heard how soon they will make the announcement?
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If this doesn't MSRP for less than 3k, I will go with the HD80. I might go with the HD80 anyhow, pending Art's review of the Epson. I can get the Best Buy employee's discount on the HD80, I can't on the Epson.
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$2500 would be a nice MSRP for the non-pro 1080UB. Probably it'll be around $27-2800 based on my wild speculation. In a year about $1500 or less when the next iteration is released...


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$2500 would be a nice MSRP for the non-pro 1080UB. Probably it'll be around $27-2800 based on my wild speculation. In a year about $1500 or less when the next iteration is released...

I see you haven't read the thread...
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I checked and lowest street price of the TW2000/Powerlite UB in Japan today, is 3,084.38 USD (which is exactly the Japanese MSRP).

Considering it is only for sale several days now in Japan, I'm sure that until December, the Japanese price will go down at least $300 USD, to something aroung $2800.

If indeed The Powelite UB is going to cost $4000 USD in the States, I guess we'll see a lot of importing... Epson has already tried that route (Expensive US price and cheap Japanese price, with lots of importing), I thought they had enough...
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Hello here is some information from the Japanese pages on the new Epson in Japanese.

http://www.epson.jp/products/dreamio/emptw2000/

It looks like it is has the possibility to adjust to right colors (both grayscale and gamut) and an adjustable gamma curve. Maybe JVC should hire some engineers from Epson : - )

For those that do not read Japanese (like me) here is a link to a translation tool…

Http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr

PS Click into the eight "sub pages" to get a description of the features in more detail.
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I just got my Powerlite 1080p projector last week, is the UB that much better that I should sell mine? Or would it be barely noticable and just keep what I have?

Also what do you HT guru's recommend for a utility to setup my picture quality? (contrast, color ect...)
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Anyone have the physical dimensions on this unit? I am starting construction on my theater and want to make sure the back space designated for the HC1080 will work with the UB as well.
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Did anyone get to actually see this PJ in action at CEDIA?
I would love to hear about the contrast performance, and brightness/ambient light performance.
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I was impressed to learn that the Dynamic mode offered by the TW2000 "corresponds to the almighty" per Bablefish translation.



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I was impressed to learn that the Dynamic mode offered by the TW2000 "corresponds to the almighty" per Bablefish translation.



... Altan

I know I love babelfish. NOw if I could only figure out God's dynamic mode, I can get a better understand of its performance.
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i wouldnt worry about the price being over what was already quoted. Europe always gets the shaft on electronics, hell the ps3 is a 1:1 price map from the US to Euros. Also its not coming out until december so they probably arent ready to officially announce price as 4 months is quite a long time in the electronics world.

Either way this projector seems like it will be the next best thing from the spec sheets, so fingers crossed that it will be problem free and under 3k
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Toxinlab,

I thinnk the last two posters were refering to the Cine4Home field trip to Tokyo just before IFA. From reading through all the TW2000 / UB stuff posted recently, I think this is still the best pre-review of the unit.

Cine4Home new Epson products preview - via babblefish

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From the CEDIA photos at engadget, it looks like the 1080UB shares the same case that Epson has been using since the 550 a few years ago.

From reading the Cine4Home preview, and looking at the Engadget photos at CEDIA, I 'think' that Epson America's PR department must have made a HUGE mistake, and accidently sent out a press realease for the not-even-previewed HOME Cinema 1080UB. They then tried to recover by retracting the price, and sending out press releases for the PRO Cinema 1080UB.

From the Epson CEDIA booth photos, it looks to me like this is the lineup in the immediate future.

Pro

Pro Cinema 720 ( Cine4Home preview shows the TW700 is being continued )

Pro Cinema 1080 ( I would think they would only be showing this because the UB isn't available yet, and the CEDIA channel needs a 1080 pj they can sell until then )

Pro Cinema 1080UB

Home

Home Cinema 720 ( I haven't heard any mention of this from any of the CEDIA reports .. it looks like this might be the new TW680, as the lens looks different than the current HC400, and the TW600 appears to be disco in Europe / Asia .. this would be good news as it sounds like it improves the lens to 2:1 zoom )

Home Cinema 1080 ( probably the TW1000 )

The two new MovieMates.

Now, what comes next? My suspiscion is the HC1080UB. I guess we'll see in about 6 months!

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Above someone asked about competing models. I don't want to piss on your campfire here, but there are 3 new 1080p projectors using the same new Epson D7 panels. The Epson Powerlite Pro Cinema 1080UB, the Sanyo PLV-Z2000 and the Panasonic PT-AE2000U. Sanyo PLV-Z2000: 1080p, 1200 lumens, 15,000:1 contrast ratio, super quiet fan and a $2995 msrp. It uses the same D7 panels and its supposed to ship THIS month. Panasonic is leading the charge to keep prices high, maintaining the same $6000 MSRP as their last years 1080p AE1000. Their new AX200 720p also weighs in at last years price of $3000. Hmmm... should I get that or Sanyo's D7 based 1080p for the same MSRP... I'll try to scoop up a Z2000 in Tokyo in early October and report back. They sell for rather less than the list price there.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=11567552
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From reading the Cine4Home preview, and looking at the Engadget photos at CEDIA, I 'think' that Epson America's PR department must have made a HUGE mistake, and accidently sent out a press realease for the not-even-previewed HOME Cinema 1080UB. They then tried to recover by retracting the price, and sending out press
releases for the PRO Cinema 1080UB.



Now, what comes next? My suspiscion is the HC1080UB. I guess we'll see in about 6 months!

Jonathan

Given the arrival of the HC1080 in March 2007, they could surely be staggering it out again (emphasis on moving more ProC1080UB's probably), but I had my heart set on the December introduction of the HC1080UB at under $3000 after learning of it from AFI, so I'm going to be exceedingly unhappy if you turn out to be correct! I needed a replacement projector two weeks ago !
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Above someone asked about competing models. I don't want to piss on your campfire here, but there are 3 new 1080p projectors using the same new Epson D7 panels...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=11567552

Yes, there are 3 new 1080p projectors using the same new Epson D7 panels, that's true.

What's also true, is that only one of them will have a dramatic native On/Off contrast boost, from 1000:1, to 4500:1, and dynamic On/Off contrast boost from 15,000:1 to 50,000:1.
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UltimateAV CEDIA Blogs on UB:
-excellent blacks but not as good as DLP or LCOS
-excellent shadow detail
-pristine color fidelity
-detailed image
-better backs, shadow detail and contrast than non_UB
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I think that the real questions remained unanswered:

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UltimateAV CEDIA Blogs on UB:
-excellent blacks but not as good as DLP or LCOS

Which DLP units ?, the best ?, the worst ?,

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-better backs, shadow detail and contrast than non_UB

How much better ?

Also, was Epson's CEDIA booth well built for Front Projection ? (no light leaks, dark walls, etc.), was the dynamic iris on ? (when cine4home saw it, it was off).
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From reading the Cine4Home preview, and looking at the Engadget photos at CEDIA, I 'think' that Epson America's PR department must have made a HUGE mistake, and accidently sent out a press realease for the not-even-previewed HOME Cinema 1080UB. They then tried to recover by retracting the price, and sending out press releases for the PRO Cinema 1080UB.



Now, what comes next? My suspiscion is the HC1080UB. I guess we'll see in about 6 months!

Jonathan


I have a hard time believing that Epson would make a "HUGE mistake" like that: "Whoops, sorry boss, I just accidentally released the Pro model with the Home model's price tag, and the Home model isn't going to be available for months."

Sounds pretty unrealistic to me.
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What's also true, is that only one of them will have a dramatic native On/Off contrast boost, from 1000:1, to 4500:1, and dynamic On/Off contrast boost from 15,000:1 to 50,000:1.

My situation is that only one of them can be bought in Tokyo a few weeks from now for, lets just say a substantial discount. But if that doesn't work out I'll chill out for a few months, wait for the reviews to come in, wait for Epson to figure out their pricing and start shipping, and I'm open to getting the Epson if it has a 40% better picture for a 30% higher price. Still, even the press releases are not gospel, and with reviews and even numeric specs, YMMV. One thing that is certain is the price, and I think we should applaud (or reward) Sanyo for taking the lead in this, unlike Panasonic.
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Hi Toxinlab,

The original artical that caused the stir clearly mentions the HOME Cinema 1080UB. The photos from CEDIA only show the PRO Cinema 1080UB. The couple of 'HOME' announcements consistanty quoted under 3K, where all the PRO announcements that followed were pretty much consistantly $3,995.

Since there was only the PRO at CEDIA, that's what leads me to belive that the HOME was accidentally pre-announced.

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Hi Toxinlab,

The original artical that caused the stir clearly mentions the HOME Cinema 1080UB. The photos from CEDIA only show the PRO Cinema 1080UB. The couple of 'HOME' announcements consistanty quoted under 3K, where all the PRO announcements that followed were pretty much consistantly $3,995.

Since there was only the PRO at CEDIA, that's what leads me to belive that the HOME was accidentally pre-announced.

Jonathan

Do the photos from CEDIA show it being labeled as the Pro model, or is that just an assumption based on the black case? If I were going to call any product "UltraBlack," and particularly the very first product bearing that name, I think I would put it in a black case whether it was the Home or Pro model.
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Straight from Projector Reviews.com

The Home Cinema 1080p-UB uses a new generation of C2Fine LCD chips, and other improvements, designed to futher improve contrast and black levels. The new chip also has a larger aperature, so pixel structure is finer, and harder to spot than the standard Home Cinema 1080. Price: Not set yet, but right around $5000. Click for more information.
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Yeah- I just read Art's notes at Projectorreviews before I came over here to the forum. Art seems to have a pretty good relationship with Epson so I would guess he heard that $5K figure from them. But he would need to verify that guess.

Art?
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