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I spent plenty of time searching online and found nothing regarding 24fps support . Here's the response I got from Sanyo support:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...8&postcount=36

I absolutely remember seeing it somewhere.

Don't ask me where

Manuals should be online soon. That is the
BEST confirmation. Don't buy one just on
my memory alone. Whereever it was that
I saw it - that source could be wrong.
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Currently I, like many of you, are wavering between looking into getting this new Sanyo versus getting something like the VW60 (brightness concerns exist for 109" screen).

I did do a little looking online and found this pdf for the Z2000. It does mention 1920x1080/24p at the top of its list. Take a look for yourself and be your own judge. Personally I would still like to see confirmation from Sanyo before ordering anything. It would be really silly for Sanyo to try and push a currently non-useful "deep color" feature and leave out support for 24hz play.

http://www.cpb-berlin.de/files/PLV_Z2000_CPB_0.pdf#search='PLVZ2000'
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I did do a little looking online and found this pdf for the Z2000. It does mention 1920x1080/24p at the top of its list.
http://www.cpb-berlin.de/files/PLV_Z2000_CPB_0.pdf#search='PLVZ2000'

I could not find that one - I did find THIS ONE
that does not say anything about 24 fps.
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Here are a couple things i found mentioning 24p support:

http://www.audioholics.com/news/trad...2000-projector

http://www.my411family.com/electroni...read.php?id=78

If the reviews from credible sites compare to the my411 site, it will be great news.
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Here are a couple things i found mentioning 24p support:

http://www.audioholics.com/news/trad...2000-projector

http://www.my411family.com/electroni...read.php?id=78

Thanks for those pointers - I do remember it
was some Sanyo rep who SAID IT, and was
quoted.
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Oright. Enough about the 24p rumor until it's released. No point quoting the quote of another site that quoted a conversation from a Sanyo rep...LOL

You can search and google all you want, there are no official confirmation of an acceptance resolution yet, just that one Sanyo rep. The rest of the so call review is a rewrite of a formal press release.
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Oright. Enough about the 24p rumor until it's released. No point quoting the quote of another site that quoted a conversation from a Sanyo rep...LOL

You can search and google all you want, there are no official confirmation of an acceptance resolution yet, just that one Sanyo rep. The rest of the so call review is a rewrite of a formal press release.

I think that the German pdf is the first "non-rep" thing that I have seen to state a 1080/24p figure. Like you, I am still slow to believe until I see more, but at least it is not a hearsay kind of statement.
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I think that the German pdf is the first "non-rep" thing that I have seen to state a 1080/24p figure. Like you, I am still slow to believe until I see more, but at least it is not a hearsay kind of statement.

Now i'm back on the same 24p rumor again... Guilty!

I recall the video. It was coming from a Sanyo rep, IFA at Berlin.... Coincidencely, another quote from Sanyo rep at different location?

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1087476

I think he mentioned 1080 30/50/60 & 24p
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I recall the video. It was coming from a Sanyo rep, IFA at Berlin.... Coincidencely, another quote from Sanyo rep at different location?

Yup That is where I heard it from -- the IFA Video.

Great Memory.
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According to cine4home latest announcement, they should have Panny 2k up by tomorrow then Sanyo 2k by the following week. So i guess we should know the answer by next week.
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can I ask a real dumb question? what kind of sources feed 24Hz? can an ordinary DVD player or an Oppo do this? OTA presumably does not.
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can I ask a real dumb question? what kind of sources feed 24Hz? can an ordinary DVD player or an Oppo do this? OTA presumably does not.

Good Blu-Ray Players are Very Good HD DVD Players.

ALL High-Def DVDs - either format are 1080p/24 on the DISC.
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can I ask a real dumb question? what kind of sources feed 24Hz? can an ordinary DVD player or an Oppo do this? OTA presumably does not.

The upcoming Oppo 983 may do this; the full feature set has not been finalized. See the thread in the DVD player forum for more info.
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I think that the German pdf is the first "non-rep" thing that I have seen to state a 1080/24p figure. Like you, I am still slow to believe until I see more, but at least it is not a hearsay kind of statement.

The real issue is to get clear confirmation that the projector not only "accepts" a 24fps input (which is all the rep comment and the PDF really imply), but that it actually displays such an input as a multiple of 24fps. Given the scan rate range, it would also be nice to learn what 24p multiples it actually displays at -- I'm presuming 48Hz and 72Hz (maybe 96Hz too?).

I find the review interesting since it indicates the 24fps is preserved, whereas 60fps remains 60fps. So there appears to be genuine hope !
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High definition pictures in 1080P from a Toshiba HD-XA2 HD DVD player upgraded to version 2.5 can be displayed at 24 frames on this projector. Its vertical scanning frequencies are up to 100 hertz. A picture with 24 frames is handled similar to the way it's done in movie theaters. In this process close-ups in the foreground are clean and sharp. This was the same situation with a picture in 1080P at 60 hertz. But 60 hertz is a video transfer method where 24 frames from film based contents such as HD DVDs are converted into 30 frames or more accurately into 60 field frames. The biggest difference with the PLV-Z2000 is that because it is seen in the 24 frame rate backgrounds are now very sharp and strong. There is no haziness which was caused in previous scenarios because of the many (60) field frame conversion.

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it may have been mentioned, vert. stretch for cih?
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According to cine4home latest announcement, they should have Panny 2k up by tomorrow then Sanyo 2k by the following week. So i guess we should know the answer by next week.



The Panasonic PT2000 preview is up now...

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what about review?

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Can't wait for cine4home to post the review, I mean this unit has huge potential to reach $2k with rebate.


A first preview will be up early next week...

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The Panasonic PT2000 preview is up now...

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Thanks Ekkehart: One thing the preview did not mention was fan noise. How does it compare with the HC6000? CFR
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Thanks Ekkehart: One thing the preview did not mention was fan noise. How does it compare with the HC6000? CFR


The Panasonic is not loud but not as quiet as the Mitsu. Same noise as a PT-AE1000.

Fan noise of the Sanyo Z2000 is really low in Eco-mode. Very comparable to the Mitsus (although I think the Mitsus are still a bit lower in noise).

I am working on the Z2000 preview at the moment. The Z2000 has quite some potential. It is somewhat disappointing though that the dynamic Iris has not been improved compared to the Z4 / Z5. We made some modifications and developed a Z2000 "Ultra" Edition (like we did with the Mitsu HC5000), which reached actually 3800:1 native D65-contrast.. around 7500:1 with DI...


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It's a lot bigger then I had though...
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Thanks for the preliminary info, Ekkehart. Waiting eagerly for your preview of the z2000!

If possible, please let us know if the iris on the z2000 is noticeable (either in sound or visually).
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Ekkehart, can you check if the Z2000 can do the vertical stretch for CIH setups?

I'm not very optimistic, though, as Sanyo never implemented this before...

The Panasonic AE2000 still has the "V-Fit" mode, right?
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Thanks for the preliminary info, Ekkehart. Waiting eagerly for your preview of the z2000!

If possible, please let us know if the iris on the z2000 is noticeable (either in sound or visually).


I already answered that one: Iris is same as Z5 so yes it is not the best really...


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The Panasonic is not loud but not as quiet as the Mitsu. Same noise as a PT-AE1000.

Fan noise of the Sanyo Z2000 is really low in Eco-mode. Very comparable to the Mitsus (although I think the Mitsus are still a bit lower in noise).

I am working on the Z2000 preview at the moment. The Z2000 has quite some potential. It is somewhat disappointing though that the dynamic Iris has not been improved compared to the Z4 / Z5. We made some modifications and developed a Z2000 "Ultra" Edition (like we did with the Mitsu HC5000), which reached actually 3800:1 native D65-contrast.. around 7500:1 with DI...


Regards,
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Thanks Ekkehart, so the lumen is at the same ballpark at z5?

I been wondering about this... Where can we get the C4h glass filter in US??
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Ekkehart, can you check if the Z2000 can do the vertical stretch for CIH setups?

I'm not very optimistic, though, as Sanyo never implemented this before...

The Panasonic AE2000 still has the "V-Fit" mode, right?

I'm interested in this as well. Actually the Z4 does the necessary stretch but the Z5 doesn't. I still can't figure that one out.
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hi ekkehard: waiting for your review on the sanyo, too, especially compared to the HC6000. I wonder whether the old D6 panels with better surroundings can still do better than the new D7 better... /iaw
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I guess maybe I am missing something, but I am confused.
Cine4Home is doing a "preview"? and not a "review" (according to the statement).
Does this mean that you actually have a unit in hand to evaluate? or does this mean that you are posting about your evaluation of a unit from CEDIA or a different presentation?

Sorry for the bother, but from my experience, "prevews" usually don't involve a true evaluation of a product "in hand". They are more like an evaluation of a product when it is on display at CEDIA or something along those lines. I am hoping that you actually do have the unit with you, in which case I am sure that many people are eagerly awaiting any information that you can give. Thanks.
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The Panasonic is not loud but not as quiet as the Mitsu. Same noise as a PT-AE1000.

Fan noise of the Sanyo Z2000 is really low in Eco-mode. Very comparable to the Mitsus (although I think the Mitsus are still a bit lower in noise).

I am working on the Z2000 preview at the moment. The Z2000 has quite some potential. It is somewhat disappointing though that the dynamic Iris has not been improved compared to the Z4 / Z5. We made some modifications and developed a Z2000 "Ultra" Edition (like we did with the Mitsu HC5000), which reached actually 3800:1 native D65-contrast.. around 7500:1 with DI...


Regards,
Ekkehart

Thanks Ekkehart. I'll look forward to the preview and the full report soon. Do you have anyone in Canada that can do the Ultra modifications to either Mits or Sanyo? CFR
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