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I'd rather consider looking at a more credible review from someone like Greg at WSR or Jason at AVS.

Jason has his nbrs on the VW60 after D65 calibration here.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=914323

If you compared his D65 high lamp nbrs on the VW60 to the AE2000's Color1 (supposed to be D65) high lamp nbrs, it would seem to appear that the VW60 is brighter.

I wonder how much of a drop in lumens there would be on the AE2000 in Normal mode, where green and red are oversaturated if you tried to D65 it.

Ahh...i see. Thanks for the link. It does seem that its brighter from those numbers...of course we dont have Jason's numbers on the panny either. we're trusting a friend of a poster.
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noob question: are there reasons other than practical room consideration why I should NOT want to place the PJ at shortest possible throw distance?
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noob question: are there reasons other than practical room consideration why I should NOT want to place the PJ at shortest possible throw distance?

Yes, focus issues on the edges is common with short throw.

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For ricwhite this fp has way more light than the vw60,Not even close.

That might be true for the normal or dynamic modes, but for cinema 1 or color 1, it appears that it is dimmer just based on the specs I read. For example, Jason Turk in his review of the VW60 posted these mesurements after calibration.

High Lamp, Short Throw: 571 lumens
High Lamp, Long Throw: 426 lumens

The long throw high lamp was 426 lumens. This compares to about 250 lumens for the long throw in cinema or color 1 on the Panasonic. I have obviously not viewed these projectors. I am just going by what others have measured.
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Thats exactly what i thought it would be like. But the numbers quoted in this thread implied that color 1 was brighter than cinema 1.

I'm pretty sure both projectorreviews and cine4home measured color1 as brighter than cinema1 on the AE1000.
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While 12fl minimum might be fine SMPTE really recommends 16fl
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While 12fl minimum might be fine SMPTE really recommends 16fl

SMPTE 196M recommends 12-22 for a dark room. Of course, 16 is better than 12!

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"When I was cycling through the modes I think it was called V something. HDMI input was all I used.

Can someone else here confirm this as well?"

I think it's "vertical fit", used for scope I think.

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I'm pretty sure both projectorreviews and cine4home measured color1 as brighter than cinema1 on the AE1000.

I have 3 people here,And going though the options all 3 of us are seeing a brighter pic with cinema 1 than color 1.We all find color 1 and 2 to be the worst colors and brightness.Cinema 1 is decent,But cinema 2 has lots of punch brighter and the colors are excellent.Cinema 3 is even brighter with just a littel over saturation of colors.Normal is kick butt bright and colors are good but over saturated.These are just using are eyes,But 3 of here us here see color 1 as very dim,I would never use it.
As for as sharpness.Very good.Could not ask for more.Just got done with some sdvd's and they look very good.5TH element was as good as any fp I have seen except the Runco I saw and even then I could not want more.
Contrast is amazing after having the ax100 for a year.I have seen the pearl calibrated and in no way is it brighter,Ae2000 wins their and is sharper with just as good colors and maybe better when calibrated.Glad I did not pay $4k for the pearl when this fp is just as good for less.
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Guys we should keep this all in perspective.

The AE2000 seems to have enough light for most setups provided you take some time to compensate in some areas where needed.

In Ric's case he's at the longer end of the throw and with 2:1 zoom lens on most lcd projectors you're going to be giving up a lot of light on the far end.

He can either use a higher gain screen like a HP and shelf mount (if possible), run the lamp on normal(high), move the projector closer or sacrifice some color accuracy and use a brighter mode. Or simply a combination of all of the above to make it work well and acheive the brightness result he's looking for.
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Compared to my Sony Pearl, the Panny is a "light canon".......it also helps my setup is at the shorter range of the throw (< 13ft.)
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Since there are so many users on this thread who own/owned older models of Panasonic PJs, it would be interesting to hear comments on your experience with their quality/reliability/customer support.

Coming from DLP (Sharp) background I was always skeptical about LCD PJs due to lower contrast, color uniformity, SDE, dead pixel and dust blobs. It is pretty obvious that contrast/SDE is no longer an issue, but what about color uniformity, dead pixels and dust blobs ? Since AE2000 is built on the same chassis as AE1000 I think it will be appropriate to compare these 2 as far as dust blobs are concerned. I am not sure if dead pixels/color uniformity will be a valid comparison since this is D7 rather than D6 chip found in AE1000.

Also, would appreciate comments about general build quality or how issues are handled by Panasonic customer support.

Thanks, Davie.
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Compared to my Sony Pearl, the Panny is a "light canon".......it also helps my setup is at the shorter range of the throw (< 13ft.)

Do you have the pearl for that comparison or is that based off of memory?
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Got a PT-AE700U that I have been happy with for the last 3 years and looking at upgrading to a AE2000U.

But my question is what do the ceiling mount options look like? Any chance I can use the mount from the AE700U? Looking at the "official" mount I may be SOL (especially at the $500+ price tag). But that is also a super low profile mount (I think that is most of the reason for the funny wing hooks on it). Does anyone have a photo of the bottom of the unit they can point me at? More or less I just need to know if it has the four threaded holes in the bottom of the unit needed to attach to a normal / universal mount.

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In Ric's case he's at the longer end of the throw and with 2:1 zoom lens on most lcd projectors you're going to be giving up a lot of light on the far end.

He can either use a higher gain screen like a HP and shelf mount (if possible), run the lamp on normal(high), move the projector closer or sacrifice some color accuracy and use a brighter mode. Or simply a combination of all of the above to make it work well and acheive the brightness result he's looking for.


Yep . . . That's a good summary of my situation that I will need to consider. There obviously is plenty of light available with the Panasonic, it's just a matter of tweaking the settings and, maybe, compromising on some things in order to make in work well in my set-up.

From what I have read so far, I have not found enough positives with the VW60 to justify the $1000 more it will cost. I would rather use that $1000 on other aspects of my theater. I would certainly like a really in-depth comparison of the Pansonic and the Sony to firm my decision. I am also waiting until the reviews and pricing come in on the new Epson 2000 UB projector. On paper, the Epson has better specs than the Panasonic. Whether that is true in reality is the question. There's also a possibility that the Epson will be over $1000 more the Panasonic in which case I would have to determine if the performance gain is worth the higher cost.
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Do you have the pearl for that comparison or is that based off of memory?

I'll be able to do a direct comparison on Tuesday evening. Pearl and AE2000u using a 119" HP.
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From what I have read so far, I have not found enough positives with the VW60 to justify the $1000 more it will cost. I would rather use that $1000 on other aspects of my theater. I would certainly like a really in-depth comparison of the Pansonic and the Sony to firm my decision. I am also waiting until the reviews and pricing come in on the new Epson 2000 UB projector. On paper, the Epson has better specs than the Panasonic. Whether that is true in reality is the question. There's also a possibility that the Epson will be over $1000 more the Panasonic in which case I would have to determine if the performance gain is worth the higher cost.

I'm considering the AE2000 because out of the lcd's it's the only one that I won't need an external scaler for my new CIH scope setup and one of the main reasons I sold my RS1, although I have to admit I do miss it now that it's gone.
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Got a PT-AE700U that I have been happy with for the last 3 years and looking at upgrading to a AE2000U.

But my question is what do the ceiling mount options look like? Any chance I can use the mount from the AE700U? Looking at the "official" mount I may be SOL (especially at the $500+ price tag). But that is also a super low profile mount (I think that is most of the reason for the funny wing hooks on it). Does anyone have a photo of the bottom of the unit they can point me at? More or less I just need to know if it has the four threaded holes in the bottom of the unit needed to attach to a normal / universal mount.

Thanks,
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Wireb the ae2000 uses the same size hole as the ax100 and 900.I have the universal mount that VA sells.It has fit all 3 panny's I have.The holes were allmost the same as my ax100 for as spacing.Just one hole had to extend a littel further with those spider arm's.It also has one hole that the ae2000 has that they supply a steel cable for extra security incase your mount would fail.I use it and wrap the cable around my ceiling tile girders.I can't see my mount falling,But heck' mine as well use it incase of a earth quake.
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Just got my AE2000. Man, like someone else said, it was much larger that I expected.

Very easy to set up for this noob.. Hooked up and projecting in a couple of minutes.

However, my first input, XBOX 360 Via VGA/HD-DVD yeild'd not so good results. I noticed a lot of gray "banding" that would occur while motion was on the screen. Of course I was at first horrified and thought it was the projector, because I had been doing 1920x1080 to an LCD tv for ever. I know VGA is analog and not the best way to go these days... but its what I have now and used on an LCD panel before with pretty decent results (of course not HDMI quality).

I then hooked up the PS3 via HDMI, and man, beautiful. Haven't decided which color mode I like the best yet. Still tweaking settings, etc, but I am throwing 12 ft to a 120" 1.8 gain screen in Eco mode. I cannot tell the difference between ECO and Normal mode...??

The question is - and I know it is brand new and people are still just getting theres, but the 360 seems to be a popular input device. Is there something I can do here, or must I scurry out and get an XBOX 360 Extreme or Elite or whatever its called so I can hookup via HDMI? If so, anyone want an XBOX360 for cheap?

Maybe I will try the old component cables and see if I can push 1080p out of those....

Thanks for the feedback.
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Just got my AE2000. Man, like someone else said, it was much larger that I expected.

Very easy to set up for this noob.. Hooked up and projecting in a couple of minutes.

However, my first input, XBOX 360 Via VGA/HD-DVD yeild'd not so good results. I noticed a lot of gray "banding" that would occur while motion was on the screen. Of course I was at first horrified and thought it was the projector, because I had been doing 1920x1080 to an LCD tv for ever. I know VGA is analog and not the best way to go these days... but its what I have now and used on an LCD panel before with pretty decent results (of course not HDMI quality).

I then hooked up the PS3 via HDMI, and man, beautiful. Haven't decided which color mode I like the best yet. Still tweaking settings, etc, but I am throwing 12 ft to a 120" 1.8 gain screen in Eco mode. I cannot tell the difference between ECO and Normal mode...??

The question is - and I know it is brand new and people are still just getting theres, but the 360 seems to be a popular input device. Is there something I can do here, or must I scurry out and get an XBOX 360 Extreme or Elite or whatever its called so I can hookup via HDMI? If so, anyone want an XBOX360 for cheap?

Maybe I will try the old component cables and see if I can push 1080p out of those....

Thanks for the feedback.

Or just try the componenent cables and output 1080i. The xbox isn't doing 1080P natively from the games anyway, so its scaling them and the panny should do a fine job deinterlacting the 1080i signal.

I've read lots of reports that people are not happy with the xbox vga connection.
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I have the chance to get a refurb AE1000U for a little under $2000 is there a big difference in the AE2000U.

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I have the chance to get a refurb AE1000U for a little under $2000 is there a big difference in the AE2000U.

What is the warranty on the refurb? You will get two years with the 2000 with the current promotion. Based upon early reviews, the 2000 seems to be a big leap from the 1000. Maybe someone will have both to compare soon.
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I have the chance to get a refurb AE1000U for a little under $2000 is there a big difference in the AE2000U.

It definitely worth an extra $699. It's a no brainer.
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I have the chance to get a refurb AE1000U for a little under $2000 is there a big difference in the AE2000U.

I don't have any first hand knowledge of the AE1000, except that I had purchased one 2 weeks ago, and they day before it showed up the AE2000 was released at the 2700$ price point.

Overwhelmingly the word was to send it back, that the differences were very big...

I just received the AE2000 today, so far I am very happy, just not much experience with it yet.

AE2000 has HDMI 1.3 vs HDMI 1.2, 1500 vs 1100 lumens, 16000:1 vs 11000:1 contrast, new LCD panels, 3 HDMI ports, improved smooth screen, and more.
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The AE2000u design arguably looks better too.
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I don't have any first hand knowledge of the AE1000, except that I had purchased one 2 weeks ago, and they day before it showed up the AE2000 was released at the 2700$ price point.

Overwhelmingly the word was to send it back, that the differences were very big...

I just received the AE2000 today, so far I am very happy, just not much experience with it yet.

AE2000 has HDMI 1.3 vs HDMI 1.2, 1500 vs 1100 lumens, 16000:1 vs 11000:1 contrast, new LCD panels, 3 HDMI ports, improved smooth screen, and more.

And the cool looking little silver ring!
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The AE2000u design arguably looks better too.

HAHA! you must have written that as i was reading the page!
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It isn't that obvious in reality.......once again, don't put everything into those pics! (also, color1 is much darker than you see in the posted pic.....my camera boosted the ISO to 800 to get an adequate image).

Could you please provide us with the settings (you mentioned ISO:800, Aperture: f?, Shutter speed: ? sec) your camera used to take Bond's color1 photo? If you need any instructions on how to do it, I could help.
I could then give you a good estimate of the brightness, compared to some other great new PJs, like VW60 and IN82.

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Could you please provide us with the settings (you mentioned ISO:800, Aperture: f?, Shutter speed: ? sec) your camera used to take Bond's color1 photo? If you need any instructions on how to do it, I could help.
I could then give you a good estimate of the brightness, compared to some other great new PJs, like VW60 and IN82.


My digicam was in full "auto" mode when I took those pics....where it chose the exposure and ISO settings automatically depending on the situation......as I recall, in the "normal" mode pic, the ISO setting was at 200, and in the Color1 mode pic, the ISO was set at 800.....which explains why the Color1 pic looked similar in brightness to the "normal" mode pic in the screenshots......in actuality, Color1 in my setup was too dark for my tastes. Also, I noticed in my Canon digicam, the pictures come out the clearest at 35mm lens setting and not 28mm, which those screenshots were taken. (Maybe I'll post new ones at that setting later). BTW, as someone asked earlier, the Panny is definately MUCH brighter than my Sony Pearl.....and yes, I still own the Sony.
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