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post #631 of 3941 Old 11-06-2007, 12:16 PM
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I noticed this as well. SD and HD sources both had a minimal amount of "roughness" that the VW50 does not have.

I also noticed this as well and I just attributed it to my personal preference (LCOS versus LCD), but the 60 looks more pleasing to my eyes.
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What i'm afraid is the result from Clarity detail feature, film noise was further "smart sharpen" where it shouldn't be. It's a Frequency based algorithm right? I've seen the grains, it's more than usual. I don't know the Clarity detail on/off is working or not, i can't tell any different.

Have any of you guys tried turning the noise reduction (NR) and Mpeg NR both on/off to see if this affects the grain you're seeing on the AE2000 ?
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Have any of you guys tried turning the noise reduction (NR) and Mpeg NR both on/off to see if this affects the grain you're seeing on the AE2000 ?

I am not seeing grain, but just a more relaxed image (sorry for the lack of a technical term). I am running all noise reduction at off.
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360 does 1080p over component. However it is unclear as yet whether AE2000 takes 1080p over component. Your receiver takes 3 HMDI input and AE2000 takes 3 HMDI in, that should give you 5 HDMI sources. Outputing 360 video over HDMI to projector and audio over optical to receiver if you have the optical dongle (I think it is included in the Elite version and sold seperately for $50). Alternatively you can always invest in a 4 way HDMI switch which I think runs for $200-300.
I suspect keeping the upscaling of games on the 360 may be better than using the receiver or the projector to handle the upscaling. Your projector and receiver may have a much better video processor for upscaling but may also create a small lag, But outputing at 1080p most of the video processing on the projector and receiver are not used thus minimizing lag. This is assuming the 360 has upscaling has no lag or lag has been minimized from the play testing done by the game developers.
I am looking to get an 360 with HDMI to go with the AE2000 when the AE2000 is released in Canada.
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Anyone done a comparison of the Panny vs the RS1? I'm assuming it not quite as good, but for the price is this considered the best bang for the buck in 1080p projectors now?

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Does the Panny accept 1080P over component? Can anyone check/verify?

EDIT- According to the manual, the component input does accept 1080p, in 50,60, and 24hz
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I haven't touched the Noise Reduction. Is it set to on from the factory?

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Im going to buy the AE2000 and been reading the manual and I have a question.
If I need to adjust the PJ, the manual states (pg.17) that you will get the best quality when the lens shift dialed is centered. But for me, I need to move it downward. But then I saw another positioning setting on Pg. 36. That one you do it in the menu.

What is better? Use the lens shift or the position setting in the menu? Which will yield the best quality?

Does your image quality suffer when you use the lens shift?
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I haven't touched the Noise Reduction. Is it set to on from the factory?

Mine was on from the factory.
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Anyone done a comparison of the Panny vs the RS1? I'm assuming it not quite as good, but for the price is this considered the best bang for the buck in 1080p projectors now?

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I didnt directly compare the RS1 to the 2000, but I had a RS1 compared to a 60 at an earlier date and I kept the 60 and got rid of the RS1. Hope that helps.
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I haven't touched the Noise Reduction. Is it set to on from the factory?

Yes, all are turn on by default. Those are Noise Reduction (NR), MPEG NR, Detail Clarity (I have no idea what that is??), and Cinema Reality.
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I am not seeing grain, but just a more relaxed image (sorry for the lack of a technical term). I am running all noise reduction at off.

No apologies where I'm concerned - I've more meters than I need and stare at scopes all day long, but once the measuring is complete I *prefer* the poetic license as I find it revealing, it gives me a sense of the emotional response to an image. Whether we care to admit it, a response to an image is more than its content or its metrics, We respond differently to sepia than we do to black and white, Polaroid or Kodak

LCD has always struck me as *granular* though tolerable, DLP leaves me 'agitated'. I'm almost hoping they come in at a similar price here in Canada - t'would make the expenditure more easy to rationalize.

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Yes, all are turn on by default. Those are Noise Reduction (NR), MPEG NR, Detail Clarity (I have no idea what that is??), and Cinema Reality.


I'll need to play with these a bit before my four hours runs out. Just in case. I'd like to see where that bit of grain or sharpness enhancement is coming from.

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Ok this might sound a silly question, but can any 2000u owner tell me where this unit is made ?? Japan, China, etc...??
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I haven't touched the Noise Reduction. Is it set to on from the factory?


Seems like you guys should learn how to use a fp before comparing them to other's
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I received my Pannny 2000 today, and on the box it says "Made In Japan".
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Seems like you guys should learn how to use a fp before comparing them to other's

So you're saying everyone should keep their observations to themselves until they've mastered or optimized every setting, enhancement, etc?

I do recall stating that I spent very little time with the projector last night.

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I've compared the VW50 and the AE2000u for only a couple of hours last night. I was tied up until around 10PM so I didn't get to do much.


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The way I view it is, that $1300 is 50% of what it will cost to purchase a new improved projector in 12-24 months.

I see my investment on the 2000 over the 60 is that in 36 months I can get something better than the 2000 for 1300
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It's not that it's not bright enough in Color1, but you need to be conscious of the severe drop in brightness between the short and long end of the throw. It's no flame thrower by any means. But compared to the dismal AE1000 it's a good improvement.

In other words you need to calc the fL nbrs based on your throw, screen size and gain to make it work right and not have to sacrifice color accuracy. The bulb will drop fast from it's out of the box levels.

So am I correct to think the closer to the screen the better??
I am really trying to pin-point the optimal distnce to the screen. I actually need to have this set before It arrives friday, i have a contractor friend snaking wires etc for me tomorrow

OK So 109" 1.3 gain st130. I am sitting 12 feet away and was going to have it ceiling mounted 12 feet away.
I hear further is better for contrast, closer for brightness. Should I shoot 50% between furthers and shortest for my scree size??
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Stay at the short end of the throw, you'll need the brightness.
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[quote=RobZ;12147772]So you're saying everyone should keep their observations to themselves until they've mastered or optimized every setting, enhancement, etc?

I do recall stating that I spent very little time with the projector last night.[/QUOTET

This has been gone over and over and over on the ax100 thread,Turn the NR off for best pic.Get the DVE and calibrate the sharpness and contrast and blacks and colors.Comparing and saying the image is rougher than this or that without even calibrating and knowing how to setup the fp is well'Not much help to others IMHO.If the fp is not calibrated how can you say what is it can do or not do.
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This has been gone over and over and over on the ax100 thread

Sorry. I should have read all ov the AVS threads from the past two years. Why would I have been in the AX100 thread???



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If the fp is not calibrated how can you say what is it can do or not do

Did I say what it can or can not do? I recall stating my observations after minimal adjustments. Comments like yours are what what cause people to not post here.

Once again, I wrote "Well, I've compared the VW50 and the AE2000u for only a couple of hours last night. I was tied up until around 10PM so I didn't get to do much." I don't recall posting: "After full calibration and optimization of both projectors, I can now tell you what the VW50 and AE2000u can and can not do."

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...Comments like yours are what what cause people to not post here...

Please ignore the silly comments and let us know your impressions after you turn off NR.

It is not clear why buddahead is lecturing you about pj calibrations, he has not questioned anyone else!
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Yeah, just ignore him, Rob.
I for one found your post much helpful, and look forward to what else you might think of them both.
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Yeah, just ignore him, Rob.
I for one found your post much helpful, and look forward to what else you might think of them both.

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So am I correct to think the closer to the screen the better??
I am really trying to pin-point the optimal distnce to the screen. I actually need to have this set before It arrives friday, i have a contractor friend snaking wires etc for me tomorrow

OK So 109" 1.3 gain st130. I am sitting 12 feet away and was going to have it ceiling mounted 12 feet away.
I hear further is better for contrast, closer for brightness. Should I shoot 50% between furthers and shortest for my scree size??

Yes, just like pointing a flashlight to the screen the farther back you walk away the less bright it's going to be. The closer the brighter.

In your case, you're fine with a throw of anywhere from 12 to 14ft.
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Please ignore the silly comments and let us know your impressions after you turn off NR.

It is not clear why buddahead is lecturing you about pj calibrations, he has not questioned anyone else!


I am not trying to lecture Rob.I love to see his observations also.I just see alot of post comparing the ae2000 to other fp then read they do not know what this or that do on the ae2000.Myself one should observe and use a fp for at least a week or two after calibrating then compare.All these new fp are so good and so close that really it does not even matter much anymore.
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Yes, just like pointing a flashlight to the screen the farther back you walk away the less bright it's going to be. The closer the brighter.

In your case, you're fine with a throw of anywhere from 12 to 14ft.

Woo hooo. I cant wait!

Last night I watched a movie on the old PJ and just could not enjoy...
Friday cant come soon enough...
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Does the Panny accept 1080P over component? Can anyone check/verify?

EDIT- According to the manual, the component input does accept 1080p, in 50,60, and 24hz


The panny does accept 1080p from component from my xbox. However in my setup the xbox looks better when set to 720p.

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The panny does accept 1080p from component from my xbox. However in my setup the xbox looks better when set to 720p.

So does that mean 1080p out of xbox hddvd player over component?
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