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All this sounds great. I know there are numerous firmware updates for hd/br dvd players. Is this true for projectors? Also, just curiosity, but where is the panasonic manufactured; Japan, China?
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This PJ is looking like it for me, but will wait a couple of weeks until we know more. Here's how I would rank the new 1080p PJs at this point, based on professional & AVS user impressions I've read; obviously not first-hand...
  1. Panny AE2000U: Seems to be the top contender for color accuracy, good grayscale out of the box, improved blacks, no visible pixel structure, better smooth-screen implementation, and the usual LCD mounting flexibility.
  2. Epson 1080UB: Same price range as other PJs here? Guessing performance will be closer to the Panny's?
  3. Optoma HD80: My current PJ is the Mits HC3000U 720p DLP & I'm used to its deep blacks wonderful PQ, so I had been mulling the HD80 as my next upgrade, until the Panny came along . Usual DLP placement issues, including a huge offset. New firmware supports 1080p/24, so glad they got that done.
  4. Sanyo Z2000: $500 less than the above two, but so-so grayscale & colors off a little.

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My AE2000 should be at the house later today and I'll post my thoughts/impressions, etc. While I don't have colorfacts, etc. to get precise measurements I have had a number of projectors (most recently switching from SHARP 12000 DLP). Will keep you posted!
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Because the MSRP is $3499.00

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...While I don't have colorfacts, etc. to get precise measurements I have had a number of projectors (most recently switching from SHARP 12000 DLP). ...

Love to hear how it compares to the 12K as far as contrast is concerned!
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Thanks for the report and the pics, zeroendless!
One comment about the convergence issue: there is indeed some misconvergence. I'm afraid that's just part of the problem, as it appears to exist some purple fringing from the lens and the blue channel looks a bit dispersed, as well (that of course, if we rule-out the possibility that your camera's lens may have contributed to the problem).
I did a little trick to check it out: I split your image to RGB channels, fixed the convergence and joined the channels back on. Here's how your AE2000 would look, if it didn't have any misconvergence.
Don't worry though -your AE2000 is (almost) fine! You don't want to see how my Epson TW1000 looks like....

If you look close enough, you can see some thin white areas near the borders of green and blue channels. They represent the amount of misconvergence they have, compared to the red channel. By the way, is this a pattern from the PJ's menu?

Thanks for the works, I have 3 lcd before, Pixel misalignment is not new to me. Yes, one has to draw the acceptable line or not. The amount of misalignment is varies from one unit to amount. that's just part of the risk buying a LCD.

No, this pattern is coming from any Sony's BR disc. google "sony 7669". I'll probably feed a much defined single line pixel later with HTPC.

More to come hopefully when I get the chance with HCFR calibration on this thing.

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At these close images you can see how panasonic is compensating for SDE. Seems like the pixels are just barely a bit fuzzy to the point that they blend into the surrounding pixels. I imagine that these pics are so blown up that this is not viewable beyond one screen width. Is this correct?

They aren't 100% crop. But I were to use wide angle lens, resize 8mp image file for 800 pixels width jpeg ,I doubt you'll see the misalignment.

Friend of mine just purchased the sony aw15 not too long ago and we have probably 10 hours on my screen. The SDE is so defined it's day and night compare to Panny's SS. Like i said, you can't see the pixel even at 1' away. But, If i were to choose, i rather NOT having SS because like pixel misalignment, you can't see a darn thing from 1.5x. This is 1080p era. Panny need to include option to turn SS off.

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Zeroendless I am considering the panny as an upgrade to my epson 810. Is it bright enough to watch sports with moderate room light. I have a complete light controlled theater but sometimes like to have the lights on low when friends are over. The epson can get very bright .

That a tough question as I don't know how much ambient you got there. The dynamic mode is too bright it hurts my eyes in the cave even at eco mode but that's with 4 hours new lamp. I have a 40 watt soft white right on top of project and the projector held strong with the light on, in eco mode on 2.5 gain screen. I can't do that with 250+ lumens Sony. I hope to get the lumens count this weekend.
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I love your pictures!! Will you make some more? I really can't wait to put my eye on that unit!!

Thanks Fox. I'll try.
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I'd like to see pictures displaying the projector's blaclk level. For example, the black bars of a 2.35:1 image next to black velvet (from screen, etc.). Any chance you have the Dark City DVD?
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I'd like to see pictures displaying the projector's blaclk level. For example, the black bars of a 2.35:1 image next to black velvet (from screen, etc.). Any chance you have the Dark City DVD?

Do you really think you'll be able to get a feel for black levels using this method (from SS)?

Hand puppet pics might be better, but I doubt either will be of much value with screen shots.
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Any suggestions for a complete projector noob, like myself?

Throwing 12 ft to a 120" 1.8 gain screen. Low to no ambient light.

Shelf mounted, about 6 ft from floor.

AE2000 shows up tomorrow!
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Does the PJ need that much gain from 12 ft? It gets 24ftl at 120" from 12 ft with 1.8 gain. Probably pretty good thougH (especially considering halflife).

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I'd like to see pictures displaying the projector's blaclk level. For example, the black bars of a 2.35:1 image next to black velvet (from screen, etc.).

+1.

I have been playing with the AX200u, and it's a great 100" picture from 10 ft away...but the black level leaves something to be desired.

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Coming from a Sony LCD myself I understand just how distracting SDE is. Glad to see that this technology has overcome this.
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Does the PJ need that much gain from 12 ft? It gets 24ftl at 120" from 12 ft with 1.8 gain. Probably pretty good thougH (especially considering halflife).

Well I originally purchased the AE1000u, where brightness was definitely in question... sent that back because the AE2000u came out the day after I purchased. So it is a concern of my that the screen may be a little too high gain. But it is gray, the thought was a brilliant/high contrast picture with deep blacks. Its my first screen so I'll learn with it and maybe upgrade in a couple years.

So do I need that much gain, probably not with the AE2000U...
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Do you really think you'll be able to get a feel for black levels using this method (from SS)?

Hand puppet pics might be better, but I doubt either will be of much value with screen shots.

I guess the screen shots used on review sites like Projector Reviews are useless.
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Well I originally purchased the AE1000u, where brightness was definitely in question... sent that back because the AE2000u came out the day after I purchased. So it is a concern of my that the screen may be a little too high gain. But it is gray, the thought was a brilliant/high contrast picture with deep blacks. Its my first screen so I'll learn with it and maybe upgrade in a couple years.

So do I need that much gain, probably not with the AE2000U...

How do you have your projector mounted?
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I guess the screen shots used on review sites like Projector Reviews are useless.

More or less.

;-)

Actually, that isn't fair.

there are some things that can be gleaned from screen shots, but the one thing that really can not is color.

There are many aspects of color management. First, the color space the camera used to capture the image, second, the conversion (if any) to a useable color space, then the software to view the image, and finally the viewer's display (your monitor).

In the end, there is very very little that a screen shot really shows you.

that being said, they're fun!
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I'm looking forward to reading a side by side comparison between the AE2000 and the AE1000.

I got sucked in by the hype for the AE2000 and decided to offer my 2 month old AE1000 for sale for $2,000 (see the AVS Marketplace if you are interested) so that I can upgrade.

Now I'm having second thoughts.

I like my AE1000 and I would have no problem keeping it, so I want to know if it's really worth taking a $700 loss (plus ~$50 S&H) on my AE1000 just to upgrade to the AE2000.

Obviously, the AE2000 is better than the AE1000, but are the improvements worth that much money?

Brightness is not really an issue, the AE1000 is fine in that department. So if a brigher picture is the only major improvement with the AE2000, it's probably not worth taking a $700+ hit by selling my AE1000.

What else should I know?

If you have an AE1000 and AE2000, please give me a detailed comparison review of the two.

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Hi Steve,
My two cents:
I've spent some time with the AE1000 and it is a fine projector IMO. I would wait a generation or two before upgrading if I were you.

Also, I doubt you'd be able to sell the AE1000 for $2k... with the AE2000 already out and the Sanyo about to come it an just over $2k, it'd be a tough sell at that price. But good luck if you go that route.

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How do you have your projector mounted?

Shelf mounted, 12 ft throw, proj ~ 6 ft off ground centered on screen.
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it is your civic duty to post unboxing screenshots if you are the first person on the forum to receive your unit. The lack of pictures in this thread makes me a sad panda. first person who posts a plethora of unboxing pics and screenshots wins a cookie
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it is your civic duty to post unboxing screenshots if you are the first person on the forum to receive your unit. The lack of pictures in this thread makes me a sad panda. first person who posts a plethora of unboxing pics and screenshots wins a cookie

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it is your civic duty to post unboxing screenshots if you are the first person on the forum to receive your unit. The lack of pictures in this thread makes me a sad panda. first person who posts a plethora of unboxing pics and screenshots wins a cookie

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Hi Steve,
My two cents:
I've spent some time with the AE1000 and it is a fine projector IMO. I would wait a generation or two before upgrading if I were you.

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I'm leaning that way too.

I think I got too wrapped up in the hype over the AE2000.

I'm sure it's a great PJ, but so is the AE1000.

I'll probably pull my AE1000 off the market and just keep it, but I'd still like to read a comparison review to the AE2000.

If you have both, PLEASE let me know how they compare.

Thanks!

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This PJ is looking like it for me, but will wait a couple of weeks until we know more. Here's how I would rank the new 1080p PJs at this point, based on professional & AVS user impressions I've read; obviously not first-hand...
  1. Panny AE2000U: Seems to be the top contender for color accuracy, good grayscale out of the box, improved blacks, no visible pixel structure, better smooth-screen implementation, and the usual LCD mounting flexibility.
  2. Epson 1080UB: Same price range as other PJs here? Guessing performance will be closer to the Panny's?
  3. Optoma HD80: My current PJ is the Mits HC3000U 720p DLP & I'm used to its deep blacks wonderful PQ, so I had been mulling the HD80 as my next upgrade, until the Panny came along . Usual DLP placement issues, including a huge offset. New firmware supports 1080p/24, so glad they got that done.
  4. Sanyo Z2000: $500 less than the above two, but so-so grayscale & colors off a little.

Brajesh,
Where would the JVC RS1 rank on your list? I'm anxious to see side by side comparisons to the RS1 since manufacturer's specs don't seem to mean much.
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it is your civic duty to post unboxing screenshots if you are the first person on the forum to receive your unit. The lack of pictures in this thread makes me a sad panda. first person who posts a plethora of unboxing pics and screenshots wins a cookie

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