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Here are some details on the new budget minded Optoma HD65. First it's very small, can fit in the palm of your hand, well almost. Weight is around 4lbs. But this little projector is a power house of brightness and features.

How bright, set in Cinema it's tuned well OTB for Film, it measured a high 18ft-candles which is around 600lumens on a 106" 1.0 diag screen, this is econo mode also. Bright mode adds 20% more light. Not so much light you say that is plenty for HT. Now the magic, put the projector in Bright video choice the Ft-candles measurement goes sky high to 38ftc, that's 1300lumens and in econo, add 20% in bright mode you get 1600lumens there abouts. Very close to spec. The best part about these choices is they're both tuned well and produce an excellent grayscale.

The HD65 uses a new colorwheel with RGB/CYM instead of typical RGB/RGB. It uses this in conjunction with Brilliant Color II from Ti. BC II with this color wheel produces high brightness while keeping the colors natural, specially flesh tones which was a slight problem with BC1.

One new feature Optoma is very keen on is it's (Super-wide) aspect choice. This is a feature designed for a budget constant height setup without having to buy a lens that's costs way more than the projector. Any 2.35 aspect movie when using Super-wide auto will be picked up by the projector and automatically set to delete the 2.35 black bars. What I did was use auto detect and then 1% overscan plus I raised the image with vertical shift. Since I have a electric screen I could just raise up the bottom to match the video area and bam now all my 2.35 movies will fill the screen with a larger scope type image, no bars. The good part is it does this without a drastic change in resolution, the image stays sharp.
Owners with fixed screen could figure some type of small mask to mask out the top or bottom or the now 2.01 screen setup.

On to some pictures, some with the Super-Wide enabled.
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/hd651.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/hd652.jpg

DVD shots done thru a Tosh HDA1 upscaled to 1080i.
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd651.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd652.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd653.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd654.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd655.jpg

http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd656.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd65nobars1.jpg

http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd65nobars2.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd65nobars3.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd65nobars4.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd65nobars5.jpg

Standard DVD shot with a question, who are those people?
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd65whosthat.jpg

Any questions I'll try to get answers, thanks for looking.

Edit: I also should add Optoma's Top Guy in Taiwan Tzungilin told me there's another new projector they have which is considered a presentation model but is actually tuned and setup for Home Theater. It uses the same color wheel and has Brillant Color II just like the HD65. But it has a much higher lumen rating 2500lumens. It start price is $999 - there's the stats.
http://www.optomausa.com/Product_det...product_id=339

Edit: Here are some numbers that might look good for your HD65 if not just use your calibration DVD or THX optimizer to get the brightness/contrast and colors fine tuned.


"First off zero brilliant color, zero True Vivid, and using PC gamma which came closer to 2.2reference gamma.

HDMI/720p
Cinema
contrast -7
Brightness -6
Color 10
Tinit 0
Sharpness 0

Advanced Degamma PC
BC 0
TV 0
CT warm
AI off

RGB gains/bias
RG 0
GG -5
BG -7
RB -1
GB -1
BB 0"

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None of the picture links are working...

Thanks for the updated info also.

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Yeah sorry had a technical problem, my server company had me tapped out on picture level. Problem is I hit delete and deleted all my pictures for past threads not really a big problem the new ones are working now. enjoy

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On/off and ANSI CR?

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DK for know only the brightness stats, probably between 2000.1 to 3000.1, doubt if you'll see mfg stat of 4000.1. But the lumens are there for sure. I have it running right now in 1600lumen mode with a 49er's HD game going in full daylight. You can watch the picture it's so bright yet colors arent' washed out.

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So, if you can measure 100IRE, why not measure 0 and give us the CR?

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I can run that test with colorfacts but it has to be pitch black outside. Haven't even grayscale tuned it yet because it looks good right now. Actually matches my H79 which is grayscale tuned, matches colorwise. Looks like the niners wins this one.

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Hi Tom

I am a little confused about the super-wide feature. Is this some internal masking mechanism (that just covers up the near-black bars top and bottom) or does it do something more clever, such as an internal anamoprhic lens to do horizontal stretch (to do a sort of constant height)?

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It stretches the image to larger up and out a bit but it does this without softening an image. The cool part is when in auto it remembers and anytime you send a 2.35 image it goes into action. Send it a 1.85 and nothing happens. Thats with component or HDMI. Tzungilin said something about it adding resolution like 100pixels or so. I'll see if I can't get a clearer explanation about part.

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Here I'll quote my friend in Taiwan so members can understand Super-Wide better.


"5. Super Wide is default at Off. To activate it, select Auto, then set the Zoom feature to 1. HD65 will then automatically detects the content, if 16x9, it masks off top and bottom 5% to show the "action safe" area with a near 2.0:1 ratio. If 2.35 content, it takes the 2.0:1 portion of the 2.35 and fill the 1280x640 area, so we get 100-lines more of vertical resolution than a plain 2.35:1 image (1280x544). So now we have "constant height" and "constant width" for both 16x9 and 2.35:1 movies. So the average consumer will no longer be confused as to why some movies fill the screen, and some movie has black bars at top/bottom.

6. The 2.0:1 provides a good wide viewing vista for more Cinemascope feeling without expensive 16x9 lens. With <$999, consumer gets a "budget minded CHT".

Super Wide works well, especially, with 1080i source, where 100-lines more resolution is used to interpret the 1080i/p contents.

It's best to use a 2.0:1 screen to mask out the unused pixels to enjoy the 2.0:1 Cinemascope feeling.

If user don't like it, they can always disable that, and HD65 performs like any 720p 16x9 projector does."

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wow, these new projectors are pretty nice. cant wait to see the review for the EP1691.

so is the HD65 better than HD70 overall? cuz price point wise is very similar.
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The coloring looks better to me, plus 1600 lumens can wear the paint off your screen.

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so would you suggest getting the hd65 or just going with the hd70 for cheaper. Is the extra cost for the hd65 really worth it at this time?
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I'm interested in some more details on the HD71, can you shed some light?

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so would you suggest getting the hd65 or just going with the hd70 for cheaper. Is the extra cost for the hd65 really worth it at this time?

You could be happy with a $500 HD70, if they were both the same price I'd pick the HD65.

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Here I'll quote my friend in Taiwan so members can understand Super-Wide better.


"5. Super Wide is default at Off. To activate it, select Auto, then set the Zoom feature to 1. HD65 will then automatically detects the content, if 16x9, it masks off top and bottom 5% to show the "action safe" area with a near 2.0:1 ratio. If 2.35 content, it takes the 2.0:1 portion of the 2.35 and fill the 1280x640 area, so we get 100-lines more of vertical resolution than a plain 2.35:1 image (1280x544). So now we have "constant height" and "constant width" for both 16x9 and 2.35:1 movies. So the average consumer will no longer be confused as to why some movies fill the screen, and some movie has black bars at top/bottom.

6. The 2.0:1 provides a good wide viewing vista for more Cinemascope feeling without expensive 16x9 lens. With <$999, consumer gets a "budget minded CHT".

Super Wide works well, especially, with 1080i source, where 100-lines more resolution is used to interpret the 1080i/p contents.

It's best to use a 2.0:1 screen to mask out the unused pixels to enjoy the 2.0:1 Cinemascope feeling.

If user don't like it, they can always disable that, and HD65 performs like any 720p 16x9 projector does."



So it sound like it is creating a larger overscan on both hight and width. So the end result is less info when it comes to width, but more vertical resolution.
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Questions:

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RBE effect?
Lens offset?
Lense calculator?
Quality of lens (any pincushion like the now infamous Marantz 4001 / Sharp XVZ3001)
Noise?
Heat?
Scaling quality?
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So it sound like it is creating a larger overscan on both hight and width. So the end result is less info when it comes to width, but more vertical resolution.

I read Optoma will be selling 2.01 screens to match up with this feature. Nothing on the website yet about the screens or tech setup stats about the projector. I'd expect them soon.

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So it sound like it is creating a larger overscan on both hight and width. So the end result is less info when it comes to width, but more vertical resolution.

THere are 5% "action safe" and 10% "title safe" in the traditional film/video creation, so that TV can overscan between 5-10% to cut off boundary noises or issues. So film makers always keep the vital information within the safe area to make sure the overscan cuts off non-important info.

HD65 uses this principle to achieve the "Constant Height, constant width" idea.

For 16x9 content, 5% top and bottom are masked to create a near 1280x640 2.0:1 image. So the image shown in this 2.0:1 ratio preserves the safe area information.

For 2.35:1 content, we cut off side info of the 2.35:1, to get the center-portion 2.0:1 image. The top/bottom of the 2.35 image are intact, while the sides have to cut off 7% each, slightly more than 5%, but the image still looks relatively wide. In fact, if one uses a HD CRT TV, one can measure the 2.35:1 content on the screen, it's much less than 2.35:1, most like 2.1:1 or less.

If a 2.0:1 screen is used, user will not see the "masked area", thus creating what Guitarman calls it "budget-minded Constant Height Theater" for 16x9 and 2.35:1 movies. If a 2.0:1 screen is not easily found, a product like Screen Goos or their new product Goos Toob can be used to create a 2.0:1 aspect ratio screen in DIY fashion.

If one does not like it, and would like to preserve all the info, simply disables this Super Wide on the OSD, then HD65 performs just like any 16x9 720p projector.

THe idea where it came from is that I helped my sister to install a H31 in her house, shooting out 120" image 2, 3 years ago. She enjoys it quite a lot, and feel her 50" PDP is too small now. But she constantly called me complaining that why some movies fill the screen, while some have top and bottom "black bars", is there something wrong with her projector, and so on. And she does not like the "black bars" citing inerfering her watching the movies. And I can't tell her that she needs to spend over $1000 to get a decent 16x9 lens, so I came up with the idea so that future entry 720p owners can enjoy the Constant height movie experiences easily.
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Definetly a worthy feature for setup. Electric screen users can jump right in because they can vary the screen height by increments. Plus there should be 2.01 screens available in the near future. Optoma should add this option to other new projectors also. Not everybody likes the lenses, they do come with their hardships. This is the first time I've seen any mfg. come up with this idea, nice work.

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Thanks for the info. Is there a place I can download HD65 manual? I'd like to read more about it. Can't find any manual download on Optoma site.

Specifically, I'd like to know the offset and zoom range of HD65. Thanks.

Glad to know someone here who's also from Taiwan.
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Yuck. This is as bad as pan and scan. I'd prefer not to crop my movies.


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I use to think like that till I saw how well the resolution stays with the superwide activated. Takes all the 2.35 movies and makes them larger than life. Looks good to me and I really don't miss the small percent on the outfields of widescreen video. The larger view makes the bigger difference for a full cinema effect.

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Pairing this projector with a DIY 2.01 screen sounds like a pretty darn sweet CIH setup for a good price.
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Yuck. This is as bad as pan and scan. I'd prefer not to crop my movies.

I thought I was the only one...

Let's just crop off the sides of the Mona Lisa to make it fit our wall we have to hang it on. It's ok, we won't miss those parts, as long we as have her face.

The amount of thought that goes into these things is so great and the intention so deliberate that it makes it disrespectful to the authors of these works that we think this kind of thing is ok to do.

I'd love an HD65 with it's small form factor and brighter lamp, but I just picked up an HD70 at an amazing clearance price. It would be especially good if the HD65's color is better than the 70's...I'm sure it's known that the 70's color is pretty out of whack and difficult to calibrate esp. wrt green.
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"Yuck. This is as bad as pan and scan. I'd prefer not to crop my movies.

I thought I was the only one..."

No problemo, disable superwide and stick with 2.35 bars if that's your preference. I just think it's cool to have the new option, you should see it work, pretty neat.

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The 2:1 aspect ration option sounds perfect for my outdoor screen. The summer before last my wife and I built a 12' wide outdoor screen out of plywood and 4 x 4s. I chose to make it a 2:1 aspect ratio simply because of the size of the plywood sheets. And it was sort of a compromise between 1.85 and 2.35 movies; the bad part being that you have small bars with both types of films, but only small ones. Wow, I can't believe someone is actually releasing a projector that matches my outdoor screen perfectly. And with lumens to spare for those of us with huge screens.
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Yuck. This is as bad as pan and scan. I'd prefer not to crop my movies.

We had that covered in the design.

HD65 Super wide feature is default to be OFF, which means HD65 preserves all the info as you wish.

But with the feature available for your control, one can play around with it and see if they like it.

To have one "free" feature for those Constant-Height-minded folks, why not? It's like an "invislbe moveable 16x9 lens" ... If you don't want it, don't activate it. Simple.
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Thanks for the info guys. I plan on getting this as soon as it releases in Canada. The HD 70 is still over a grand up here. Plus no rebates.

If this costs about the same or even a bit more it should be a great deal. I am looking forward to trying out the Superwide feature. I'll gladly give up a small bit of picture info on the sides in order to fill my screen.

Any confirmed dates for when the HD65 will begin shipping?

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I'm all for CIH, but think if you are going that way it should be 2.35 CIH. As it is your 2.01 screen will still have black bars for 4:3 material as I suspect cropping or stretching that will be more problematic.

So my main disappointment is that you didn't go far enough. Like a permanent anamorphic lens.


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