Linux audio architecture discussion (ALSA, OSS, Pulse, Jack, etc) - Page 2 - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #31 of 53 Old 06-08-2010, 07:50 AM
Senior Member
 
darkphoenix22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 261
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Sorry if I derailed the thread a bit there.
darkphoenix22 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #32 of 53 Old 06-08-2010, 11:26 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
tux99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,523
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
We actually had a very similar thread in the past already:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1241532

My Linux news / reviews / tips+tricks / downloads web site: http://www.linuxtech.net/
tux99 is offline  
post #33 of 53 Old 06-09-2010, 11:12 AM
Rgb
AVS Special Member
 
Rgb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: SE Michigan
Posts: 6,885
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Liked: 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by tux99 View Post

We actually had a very similar thread in the past already:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1241532

Merged that thread with this one and moved relevant posts from the Steam discussion.
Rgb is offline  
post #34 of 53 Old 06-09-2010, 11:45 AM
AVS Special Member
 
newlinux's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Parts unknown
Posts: 1,541
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by newlinux View Post

I don't know anything about linux audio architecture other than I wish it worked better . Why do we have all these layers and different systems (Pulse, OSS, ALSA)? Just as I was getting to understand ALSA Pulse came along and ruined my world . I guess I need to read up on these a bit more.

Now that this thread has been merged, I now have a history of why we have these different layers and systems.

darkphoenix and tux, thanks for the discussion!
newlinux is offline  
post #35 of 53 Old 06-09-2010, 02:40 PM
 
mythmaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: 255.255.255.255
Posts: 2,142
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Well, I haven't re-read through the merge, but I'll just say that ALSA plus the OSS plug-in for ALSA have always worked very well for me. And this includes games running under Wine or Cedega or SDL and even Flash with the extrasound mod.

Pulseaudio, while I admire its goals of networked sound, has always caused more trouble than it's worth, and I typically won't install it or I'll uninstall it if I have to.

JACK, on the other hand, is a godsend. Sure, it's a bit more difficult to set up and you need a low-latency kernel to really appreciate it, but it is, by far, my favorite. Any application that is worth anything will have a direct sound output to JACK, also -- Mplayer, Amarok, etc.

So, that's just my $0.02 worth on Linux sound; and, apparently, Rgb has *finally* been given mod status. Kudos, my friend! Please don't delete my OT thread because I really do need to post music videos somewhere when I'm drunk. It is crucial to my sanity.
mythmaster is offline  
post #36 of 53 Old 07-12-2010, 05:50 AM
Senior Member
 
darkphoenix22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 261
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I gotta say I agree with Adobe on this one. This graph is the best representation of Linux audio I have ever seen.



http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2...he_jungle.html

The worst part is he's missing quite a few arrows. :P
darkphoenix22 is offline  
post #37 of 53 Old 07-12-2010, 07:19 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
tux99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,523
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by darkphoenix22 View Post

I gotta say I agree with Adobe on this one. This graph is the best representation of Linux audio I have ever seen.



That's about the worst graph I have ever seen, it only proves that the author of the graph hasn't got a clue (or he did it messy on purpose to make his point).

The graph at the link I posted in the first post of this thead is a good graph.

darkphoenix22, your sarcastic, negative attitude to Linux audio is neither wanted nor in any way helpful.
If you don't like how things are, then make them better (and no, whining doen't improve a thing, only coding and packaging will).

My Linux news / reviews / tips+tricks / downloads web site: http://www.linuxtech.net/
tux99 is offline  
post #38 of 53 Old 07-12-2010, 07:30 AM
Senior Member
 
darkphoenix22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 261
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by tux99 View Post

darkphoenix22, your sarcastic, negative attitude to Linux audio is neither wanted nor in any way helpful.
If you don't like how things are, then make them better (and no, whining doen't improve a thing, only coding and packaging will).

Code doesn't solve organizational and political problems.

I apologize if I caused any offence but the reason why that graph was accurate is because we don't need all those boxes and arrows.

We can make do with 3, maybe 4 boxes: ALSA, OpenAL, JACK, and maybe, GStreamer (The initial simplicity of GStreamer is useful for media players and web browsers. It, however, is NOT an audio framework and is not suitable for advanced media creation).

4 boxes, all with only *one* arrow pointing to ALSA. That is the audio system Linux needs. And it's politics, not code, that's preventing us from having that system.
darkphoenix22 is offline  
post #39 of 53 Old 05-31-2014, 05:30 PM
Newbie
 
nekroluma's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 1
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
per program audio control is essential to a DAW pulse audio is 16 bit junk to accomodate the sdl format.
spdif and 64bit need to be the only interface for pro audio work
nekroluma is offline  
post #40 of 53 Old 05-31-2014, 06:48 PM
AVS Special Member
 
waterhead's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,261
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by nekroluma View Post

per program audio control is essential to a DAW pulse audio is 16 bit junk to accomodate the sdl format.
spdif and 64bit need to be the only interface for pro audio work

This is an old thread. A lot of the posters in this thread no longer contribute to this forum. And besides, it looks like you only joined just to complain. If you want to say something, start a new thread, don't post in a four year old one.

Besides, any one building a Linux Digital Audio Workstation would use the JACK Audio Connection Kit. But I'm sure you already knew that.
waterhead is offline  
post #41 of 53 Old 06-01-2014, 05:34 PM
Senior Member
 
sysadmin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 206
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 16
facebook told me that linux is dookie.
sysadmin is offline  
post #42 of 53 Old 06-02-2014, 10:14 AM
Advanced Member
 
balky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 770
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked: 19
I'm guessing you mean the other way round... biggrin.gif

facebook is one social dookie IMO...
balky is online now  
post #43 of 53 Old 06-02-2014, 11:48 AM
Senior Member
 
sysadmin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 206
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 16
lol smile.gif
sysadmin is offline  
post #44 of 53 Old 06-02-2014, 12:13 PM
AVS Special Member
 
waterhead's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,261
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 12
What I find most disconcerting is that his one negative Linux-related post garnered 10 "Thumbs- Up".

It took the rest of us quite a long time to reach that level. I guess it was in the "new posts" section, and a lot of the Linux-haters jumped at the chance to kick us.
waterhead is offline  
post #45 of 53 Old 06-03-2014, 06:40 AM
Advanced Member
 
bac522's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 872
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 36 Post(s)
Liked: 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by waterhead View Post

What I find most disconcerting is that his one negative Linux-related post garnered 10 "Thumbs- Up".

It took the rest of us quite a long time to reach that level. I guess it was in the "new posts" section, and a lot of the Linux-haters jumped at the chance to kick us.

In marketing we have a saying that an unhappy customer will have no problem telling 10 people about there unhappiness, but a happy customer will only tell 1 person...sadly the majority of the human population has a hateful attitude. I once posted in the main HTPC forum trying to help a windows user having trouble in which I know Linux would have been a better option (at the time I was a Microsoft Certified Solutions Expert), it was a non-confrontational post and in no way slammed M$ as the OP was open to using whatever OS would work for him...OMG...the hateful post I received after that you'd swear that I was devil reincarnated to destroy Jesus himself! I rarely post in that forum now even though many times I have an answer that will solve a users problem.
bac522 is offline  
post #46 of 53 Old 06-03-2014, 11:57 AM
Member
 
minivanman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lockport, IL
Posts: 102
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by bac522 View Post

In marketing we have a saying that an unhappy customer will have no problem telling 10 people about there unhappiness, but a happy customer will only tell 1 person...sadly the majority of the human population has a hateful attitude. I once posted in the main HTPC forum trying to help a windows user having trouble in which I know Linux would have been a better option (at the time I was a Microsoft Certified Solutions Expert), it was a non-confrontational post and in no way slammed M$ as the OP was open to using whatever OS would work for him...OMG...the hateful post I received after that you'd swear that I was devil reincarnated to destroy Jesus himself! I rarely post in that forum now even though many times I have an answer that will solve a users problem.

People are very attached to what they pay for. Nobody wants to think they spent their money poorly. Though we all do it. We all have purchases we've regretted. However, the higher the price tag, the more likely we are defend our choice.

That's different of Linux, or more specifically open source. We can objectively talk about shortcomings, advantages and disadvantages with a more open mind because the only thing we've invested is time.

I've ran into a few Linux snobs that like to beat their chests, but overall the Linux community is infinitely more friendly and helpful than other OS based communities I've partook in.
minivanman is offline  
post #47 of 53 Old 06-03-2014, 11:59 AM
Member
 
minivanman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lockport, IL
Posts: 102
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by waterhead View Post

What I find most disconcerting is that his one negative Linux-related post garnered 10 "Thumbs- Up".

It took the rest of us quite a long time to reach that level. I guess it was in the "new posts" section, and a lot of the Linux-haters jumped at the chance to kick us.

I could be wrong, but I think new members get an automatic 10 Thumbs Up. If you look at anybody that's joined recently they have 10, but no actual comments or links to threads.
minivanman is offline  
post #48 of 53 Old 06-03-2014, 12:53 PM
Senior Member
 
sysadmin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 206
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by minivanman View Post

I could be wrong, but I think new members get an automatic 10 Thumbs Up. If you look at anybody that's joined recently they have 10, but no actual comments or links to threads.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too.
sysadmin is offline  
post #49 of 53 Old 06-03-2014, 03:09 PM
AVS Special Member
 
waterhead's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,261
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by minivanman View Post

I could be wrong, but I think new members get an automatic 10 Thumbs Up. If you look at anybody that's joined recently they have 10, but no actual comments or links to threads.
You mean since I joined in 2007 I only got one Thumbs Up?

Good God, I must really suck!!
sysadmin likes this.
waterhead is offline  
post #50 of 53 Old 06-03-2014, 04:05 PM
Senior Member
 
sysadmin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 206
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by waterhead View Post

You mean since I joined in 2007 I only got one Thumbs Up?

Good God, I must really suck!!

nobody loves you, lol tongue.gif

same here, though. meh.

+1 for handling that guy smile.gif
waterhead likes this.
sysadmin is offline  
post #51 of 53 Old 06-03-2014, 04:16 PM
AVS Special Member
 
waterhead's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,261
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 12
THANKS!

Now I have two Thumbs Up, one per decade. By the time I'm 90 years old I should reach five. lol
waterhead is offline  
post #52 of 53 Old 06-04-2014, 08:35 AM
Advanced Member
 
balky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 770
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked: 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by waterhead View Post

THANKS!

Now I have two Thumbs Up, one per decade. By the time I'm 90 years old I should reach five. lol

Not your fault at all, and not very fair either...

Non Linux users usually tend to feel intimidated very quickly when confronted by a Linux guru...

Don't expect them to be throwing thumbs up at you even if you're helping them... biggrin.gif

Such is the world we live in today...
balky is online now  
post #53 of 53 Old 06-04-2014, 09:58 AM
AVS Special Member
 
waterhead's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,261
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 12
I'm only joking. I don't help out for the attaboys. I just want to assist people in using Linux, so that they can dump the evil Microsoft. wink.gif
waterhead is offline  
Reply HTPC - Linux Chat

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off