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It's out now (slightly late and it's not really spring anymore, but who cares now that it's here)!

Official Press release:
http://www.mandriva.com/enterprise/e...ux-2010-spring

Release Notes:
http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2010.1_Notes

Mandriva 2010.1 Errata:
http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2010.1_Errata

Distrowatch page:
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mandriva
News release: http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=06177

Info about various versions available:
http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Choosing_the_right_edition

Torrents:
http://torrent.mandriva.com/public/2010.1/

Upgrade from previous releases:
http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2010.1_N...vious_releases

New Install Instructions:
Download the ISO of your choice using one of the torrents from the above link, if you don't know which version to get then go with the One KDE4 ISO which is a combined live bootable CD and install disc and comes with official ATI (8.723.1) and Nvidia drivers (195.36.24) and Adobe flash plugin (10.1) included:
http://torrent.mandriva.com/public/2...m-i586.torrent

Use your favourite bitorrent client, I suggest Transmission.

Once downloaded check the md5 checksum of the ISO with the following command in a terminal, change to the directory where you downloaded the ISO to:

Code:
$ md5sum -c *.md5
mandriva-linux-one-2010-spring-KDE4-europe1-americas-cdrom-i586.iso: OK
If the ISO checksum is OK then burn the ISO to CD. Else download again.
Burn at no greater than 8x on good quality media.

Alternatively, if you prefer to boot off a USB stick, you can just dump the ISO onto a USB stick (min. 1GB) like this:
Code:
# cat mandriva-linux-one-2010-spring-KDE4-europe1-americas-cdrom-i586.iso > /dev/sdX
(replace sdX with the USB device letter name you are using, this will overwrite all previous content of the USB stick!)

Once you have burned the CD, boot from it and experience Mandriva straight-away, as it starts up off CD into a Live desktop environment. Once the KDE4 desktop has started you can double-click on the 'Live Install' icon on the desktop to commence installation.


First things to do after installation:

Add the offical package repositories:
Open the Mandriva Control Center (MCC, blue screen icon with round red tool mini-icon on the taskbar, also called 'Configure Your Computer'), select "Software Management" and then "Configure media sources for install and update".
Click on "Add" on the right side and the follow the instructions to add a full set of sources.
(ignore the final pop-up about "unable to add 'Restricted' repository", the Restricted repo is only available for Powerpack customers and contains non-opensource, non-free, third-party software)

Add the PLF package repositories:
Open the following site with Firefox:
http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/
Select the Version (2010.1) and the Architecture (i586) and then click on "Add PLF medias".

After that the first thing to do would be to install libdvdcss (which is in the PLF repository) to be able to watch and/or back-up retail DVDs.
Every time you would like to install a package (for example of mplayer or myth or vlc) and you have the choice between an official Mandriva version (mdv) or a PLF version (plf), always chose the PLF version as those contain all the extra codecs that Mandriva cannot include in the official version for legal/patent/licensing issues.
PLF versions are as reliable as the official versions, in fact they are made by the same people, they just can't be branded officially by Mandriva.


XBMC, MythTV and other media center packages:

Both XBMC (9.11) and MythTV (0.23) packages are available in the official Contrib repositories, so you can easily install them from the Mandriva software management GUI "Install & Remove Software" (drakrpm).

Furthermore you will also find moovida (1.0.9) packages in the same Contrib repository.

Other media center or PVR apps available are:
- Freevo 1.9.0
- VDR 1.6.0

You will also find popular media players such as:
- xine 1.1.18.1
- mplayer (r31086)
- vlc 1.0.6
- totem 2.30.2


Brief history of Mandriva:
(from distrowatch.com)
'Mandriva Linux was launched in 1998 under the name of Mandrake Linux, with the goal of making Linux easier to use for everyone. At that time, Linux was already well-known as a powerful and stable operating system that demanded strong technical knowledge and extensive use of the command line; MandrakeSoft saw this as an opportunity to integrate the best graphical desktop environments and contribute its own graphical configuration utilities to quickly become famous for setting the standard in Linux ease of use. In February 2005, MandrakeSoft merged with Brazil's Conectiva to form Mandriva S.A., with headquarters in Paris, France. The company's flagship product, Mandriva Linux, offers all the power and stability of Linux to both individuals and professional users in an easy-to-use and pleasant environment.'

And here is a more detailed article with the history of Mandriva (a recommended entertaining read):
http://www.h-online.com/open/feature...va-944358.html


Mandriva Linux uses the rpm package format, same as Redhat, Fedora, and Suse and was originally derived from Redhat Linux so it still has many similarities with Redhat and Fedora, which makes it very easy for anyone with Redhat or Fedora experience to find their way around Mandriva.


Link to old Mandriva 2010.0 thread (for reference):
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1193453

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Detailed review of Mandriva 2010.1 (Gnome version) and comparison with Ubuntu, Mint, Win7

http://g33q.co.za/2010/07/11/review-...h-screenshots/

And a review of Mandriva 2010.1 KDE version and comparison with Kubuntu, PCLinuxOS, Win7

http://g33q.co.za/2010/07/12/review-...h-screenshots/

The reviewer has a slight misunderstanding about the various editions of Mandriva (One, Free, Powerpack, Flash) and it's choice of 32/64 bit versions but other than that I'd say it a fair review.

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Nice writeup re: post OS install media apps/codecs issues, tux99!

After the summer vacation season winds down, I'll get serious about updating the Ubuntu 9.04 HOWTO for 10.04, which simplifies many of the steps vs 9.04.

Now all we need are people to take on PCLinuxOS, Arch, and Fedora HTPC HOWTO's and we'll be all set
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Detailed review of Mandriva 2010.1 (Gnome version) and comparison with Ubuntu, Mint, Win7

http://g33q.co.za/2010/07/11/review-...h-screenshots/

And a review of Mandriva 2010.1 KDE version and comparison with Kubuntu, PCLinuxOS, Win7

http://g33q.co.za/2010/07/12/review-...h-screenshots/

The reviewer has a slight misunderstanding about the various editions of Mandriva (One, Free, Powerpack, Flash) and it's choice of 32/64 bit versions but other than that I'd say it a fair review.

I'm pretty surprised that Mandriva Gnome got a better review than KDE considering Mandrake/Mandriva has always been a KDE-first distro.

Decent writeups though!
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I'm pretty surprised that Mandriva Gnome got a better review than KDE considering Mandrake/Mandriva has always been a KDE-first distro.

Decent writeups though!

Mandriva started out as a KDE focussed distro, but it has been equally good with Gnome for many years now.

I guess it got a better review with Gnome than KDE due to KDE4 still not having reached maturity (although KDE4 is quite decent these days).
If it had been KDE3.5, then the KDE version would have been the better one.

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Ah. Makes sense there. I've never tried the Gnome-Mandriva. But then again, I'm a KDE guy anyway.
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Anyone know what mysql packages are needed to get MythTV working in Mandriva 2010.1? I'm trying to get MythTV working in Mandriva so I can see if it has the same problem there as it does in Mythbuntu 10.04 described here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1266010

However as soon as I get MythTV installed in Mandriva, I go to setup the backend and it seems that mysql is not running. I get errors saying that it cannot login to database. I tried it on my system at home last night and couldn't get the PLF repos added (the site tux99 mentions was down I think). This morning, I was able to add them in another install of Mandriva, but I'm still having the same problem with mysql not working.

Thanks!

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You may need to setup the MythTV database first:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

You need to find the location of the database. Search for it with this command
Code:
locate mc.sql
Once you find it's location, you can then tell MySQL where it is. You may need to give the full path to the location.
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$ mysql -u root < /path/to/mc.sql
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Thanks for the info. If your advice in the other thread pans out, this will become less of a priority for now. Still, it is something I would like to know and figure out, since I hope to eventually run Gentoo on my Mythbackend server. I'm sure I'll have to do all sorts of manual configuration then. First though, I wanted to figure out all the ins and outs of MythTV 0.23, which is why I'm using Mythbuntu 10.04. I thought I'd try Mandriva too for fun, since tux99 mentioned installing MythTV in the first post of this thread.

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Turtleggjp, I'd love to help but personally I don't use mythtv at all (I'm a XBMC kinda guy ) so I know very little about mythtv, but I'd assume you need the mysql packages that are available in the main repository (plf shouldn't be necessary for mysql):

mysql
mysql-core
mysql-common
mysql-common-core
mysql-client

Once all packages are installed, the procedure to setup the db and configure mythtv should be the same as with any other distro (apart from possible path differences).

The mc.sql file appears to be in:

/usr/share/mythtv/initialdb/mc.sql

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KDE 4.5.0 is out and as usual it is available pre-packaged exclusively for Mandriva (thanks to Nicolas L├ęcureuil a Mandriva packager and kde dev) directly from kde.org:

ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.5.0/

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KDE 4.5.0 is out and as usual it is available pre-packaged exclusively for Mandriva (thanks to Nicolas L├ęcureuil a Mandriva packager and kde dev) directly from kde.org:

ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.5.0/

I am downloading all those .rpm files now. When they are done, what do I do with them? Do I have to launch them all one by one, or can they be done as a batch? Is there a certain order they need to be done in?
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I am downloading all those .rpm files now. When they are done, what do I do with them? Do I have to launch them all one by one, or can they be done as a batch? Is there a certain order they need to be done in?

You don't need to download them, just add the ftp directory as new media source (Options > Add a custom medium) in the Mandriva package manager GUI and then they should show up as upgrades automatically (at the next check for updates).

You can do this also from command line as root with the following commands:

Code:
urpmi.addmedia --update kde45 ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.5.0/Mandriva/2010.1/i586/
or for 64bit:
Code:
urpmi.addmedia --update kde45 ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.5.0/Mandriva/2010.1/x86_64/
and then run:
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urpmi --auto-update

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If this guy is correct, Mandriva's future is highly in doubt. It's just one guy's opinion, obviously, but he sounds rather informed.

Here another informative posting that is cited in the piece above:
http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/...ivas-future-2/

I suspect the success of Ubuntu has a lot to do with this.
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If this guy is correct, Mandriva's future is highly in doubt. It's just one guy's opinion, obviously, but he sounds rather informed.

Here another informative posting that is cited in the piece above:
http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/...ivas-future-2/

I suspect the success of Ubuntu has a lot to do with this.

Mandriva (the company) has basically never made profits (at least not in the last 7 years or so) and unlike Ubuntu it doesn't have a generous millionaire backer.

That said it has consistently managed to produce one of the best desktop Linux distros (IMHO the best) and despite never investing a cent in marketing has a community of several million users worldwide (3-4 is the most realistic estimate I have seen based on update repository usage stats).

Earlier this year Mandriva the company was again at the point of running out of money (it has happened before in Mandriva's 12 year history) but then it found a new investor, a Russian investment company that apparently has contracts with the Russian government for around a hundred million dollars (the figure isn't known exactly for obvious reasons but even if it's only a tenth of that it would still be a lot of money) to roll out Linux in all schools in Russia.

So as far as I can see it, the financial future of Mandriva the company is much safer currently than it has been for a long time.

That said the new investor has triggered a restructuring, which meant that Mandriva is reducing operations in Paris (by shutting down Edge-IT, a subsidiary) and making redundancies, while moving distro development to it's Brasilian subsidiary Conectiva (which has been part of the distro development for years already, in fact they were distro developers even before Mandriva bought them).

Due to the fact that Mandriva the company is very bad at communication (other than legally required shareholder communication), the only voices that can be heard on the 'net are those of disgrunted employees that have been made redundant and those of concerned users that don't understand what's going on and are influenced by the doom and gloom of the rumors forming due to the lack of official communication.

That said official communication is available if you make and effort to look for it and it says what I summarized above.
http://www.mandriva.com/enterprise/f...septembre-2010
https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60936#c11

So personally I'm only concerned about if and how the distro will change, but I'm not concerned about the survival of the distro itself, after all Mandriva would be worth nothing to the new investors if the company abandoned it's distro.

That said everything is business as usual from a user perspective, security updates and bug fixes are coming regularly as always and development of the next release is proceeding, as can be seen by looking at the 'cooker' (the development version of Mandriva) mailing-list.

From a user point of view as long as the distro is as good as it is currently there is no reason to not use it or to switch to any other distro.

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Breaking News:

As I predicted a couple of months ago, the Mandriva community is too strong to just depend on the wims of a commercial company, so a pure community-based fork of Mandriva has been started by former employees, current volunteer developers of Mandriva and members of various local Mandriva communities.

The fork has been called Mageia (greek for "white magic").

I see this very positively as the Mandriva distro always deserved to be a community-driven distro since a large part of the work on it was always done by volunteer community members.

The next few months will be interesting to see if this will be a success (I hope so and given the people involved I believe it will) and worst case there will still be the official Mandriva distro, which as I said earlier is of course still being developed.

Source:
http://mageia.org/

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I'm getting involved with the creation of Mageia and I must say it's quite exciting to see a community form around a completely community-run distro. I'll try to get involved in packaging audio/video apps (especially HTPC, trancoding, remuxing related stuff to make Mageia perfect for HTPC use).

If anyone reading this is interested in joining and helping out (not just technical tasks, documentation, translation, etc. need to be done too), you should check out:

http://www.mageia.org/
http://www.mageia.org/wiki/
http://blog.mageia.org/

All web sites are rather basic yet since logos and design is still being decided by the marketing team (yes even a community distro should have a marketing team!)

#mageia on IRC (Freenode network)

and subscribe to the mailing lists:
https://www.mageia.org/mailman/
(these can also be followed on gmane.org)

a forum will be available soon.

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For anyone who wants to follow the discussions on Mageia mailing-lists, but doesn't want to subscribe to the MLs, I have set up a Web Forum ML gateway here:

http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/

Plans so far are to release a first version of Mageia around Xmas. It will be based on the current Mandriva version so updating from current Mandriva to Mageia will be easily possible.

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