Zotac zbox HD-ID40, Atom D525, NG-ION, Ralink - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 16 Old 01-01-2011, 03:01 PM - Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Dobutamine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: France, Centre
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Greetings!

After a non-pleasant experience with the NeoTV550PES, I thought of trying one of the Atom/ION devices. Shuttle X35GT looks very attractive, yet, was ruled out due to the lack of S/PDIF.

Would like to know few details about the next candidate ZBOX HD-ID40 on *nix + XBMC.

1. How does the Atom D525 performs against the D510 of HD-ID11/ Shuttle X35GT? any significant advantage?

2. I read bad reviews about the wireless module of ZBOX HD-ID11, digging into zotac website "drivers" I've found that ID11 is using "AzureWave" while the newer model "Ralink" ; question is, How is the Ralink compared to AzureWave? any known issue(s) ?

3. SSD vs 7200rpm, Does the SSD worth the extra $ when it comes to (*nix OS and XBMC/1080p mkvs, downloading torrent/ binary NZB)?

4. Last, if money isn't a/the problem would you go Win7 instead of *nix? provided that you'll be using XBMC and/or BOXEE, with windows shares.. No NFS NAS yet.


/Ranting.

Thanks!
Dobutamine is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 16 Old 01-06-2011, 07:38 AM - Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Dobutamine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: France, Centre
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Ordered the ZBOX HD-ID40 along with,
- (2GB x 2) GSKILL SODIMM DDRII PC6400.
- Seagate Momentus 7200.4 - 500 Go 2"1/2 7200 RPM 16 Mo

Assembly is really painless, no tools required, XBMC Live installation is a straightforward process as well 'used a flash drive', WMC remote control didn't need any work.

IR Receiver came with "Trust" WMC RC >> Bus 005 Device 002: ID 147a:e017 Formosa Industrial Computing, Inc. eHome Infrared Receiver


The only part required "some" work is the WiFi, chipset is RaLink RT2860 and the driver can be downloaded from their website, http://www.ralinktech.com/support.php?s=2

Playing 1080p MKVs from local HD, NFS and CIFS shares is flawless.

Code:
xxxx@XBMCLive:~$ sudo lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation N10 Family DMI Bridge (rev 02)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 1 (rev 02)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 2 (rev 02)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 3 (rev 02)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 02)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e2)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation NM10 Family LPC Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation N10/ICH7 Family SATA IDE Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family SMBus Controller (rev 02)
01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03)
02:00.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2860
03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT218 [ION] (rev a2)
03:00.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1)
will do some tests on the WiFi and post the results here.
Dobutamine is offline  
post #3 of 16 Old 01-06-2011, 01:42 PM
Newbie
 
pdmateus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Im considering buying this one...

Have you tried Win7? Does it perform well? I prefer Win7 + XBMC

Have you tried unix+xbmc? Running torrent download, maybe skype etc would it perform well?

I was thinking of only 2Gb ram but that might not be enough right?

Are you happy with it? It seems to me that it has best quality/price relation out there...

Thanks for the sharing.
pdmateus is offline  
post #4 of 16 Old 01-07-2011, 07:58 PM - Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Dobutamine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: France, Centre
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
@pdmateus

Unfortunately, I don't have Windows 7 and I didn't try installing gnome/kde etc XBMC live is ubuntu based. Right now it's running torrent client and sabnzbdplus simultaneously with no problem at all.

you're right 2GB is enough and 4GB is an overkill and it needs *extra* work on XBMC live since it's 32bit and normally installs without the PAE.

So far, I'm really content with this set up it's quiet plays everything and do the extra downloading 24/7 without any difficulty!
Dobutamine is offline  
post #5 of 16 Old 01-09-2011, 02:03 PM - Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Dobutamine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: France, Centre
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
2GB vs 4GB, There is an evident difference when softwares like proFTPd, sabnzbdplus, ssh, torrent etc installed, so yes going for the 4GB worth the $$$

Since XBMC live is built on ubuntu 32bit, you won't be able to use fully the 4GB, two options there install a PAE kernel or better yet use the latest 64bit distribution, and in case you have a remote control you might want to blacklist it in order to work:


sudo apt-get install nano lirc lirc-sources-modules
sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
will open a text-editor at the end of the file type this line:
blacklist mceusb

sudo update-initramfs -u -k all
sudo reboot

now the RC should be working.

source:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1594799
Dobutamine is offline  
post #6 of 16 Old 01-09-2011, 02:37 PM
Newbie
 
pdmateus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Well, im inclined to use Win7 since im more used to it, i can use linux but i can take forever to do something and in windows its automatic.

Im thinking in using it for uTorrent + MCM + XBMC + Live Mesh + DropBox + maybe Skype etc...

I hope 2Gb is enough, if not later i can buy more...
pdmateus is offline  
post #7 of 16 Old 01-19-2011, 09:34 AM
Newbie
 
andwho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Hi Dobutamine,
Got my zbox HD-ID40 yesterday and ran into the infamous "soft lockup" problem when running official XBMC Live 10.
forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=89569

You have it up and running ! How ? What version of XBMC Live are you using?
Any secret tricks ?

I have 2x2Gb Corsair, no HDD, using an 8Gb Verbatim USB plug as root disk.

Will try a manual re-build of the system, starting with Ubuntu10.10 64bit server installation, then adding desktop(s),drivers and apps one by one.
/A
andwho is offline  
post #8 of 16 Old 01-26-2011, 05:07 PM
AVS Special Member
 
MidnightWatcher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: The Great White North
Posts: 6,011
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Zotac has a nice array of boxes. I've decided to go with the ND22 based on reviews here and here and here. The ND22 uses an Intel CULV dual-core processor + ION, whereas the others use an Atom dual-core processor + ION.

"Nvidia's ION chipset makes HD video playback on Atom-based systems a breeze but such machines are poor in overall speed and responsiveness.

Pairing ION with a dual core Intel CULV processor results in a staggering performance increase... nothing on the market with similar dimensions (and/or the ability to be VESA mounted) comes close to its performance, with most nettops still stuck with Atom. We don't foresee Atom desktops disappearing anytime soon, but we sincerely hope the ZBOX marks the beginning of a general expansion of nettops beyond Atom." (Link).

Please feel free to visit MidnightWatcher's Blogspot or follow my NEWS feed on Twitter.
MidnightWatcher is offline  
post #9 of 16 Old 01-26-2011, 05:55 PM
AVS Special Member
 
tux99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,523
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by MidnightWatcher View Post

"Nvidia's ION chipset makes HD video playback on Atom-based systems a breeze but such machines are poor in overall speed and responsiveness. Pairing ION with a dual core Intel CULV processor results in a staggering performance increase... (

Link).

The percieved slowness of the Atom is only a problem with Windows (which most web sites including silentreview use to do their tests), with Linux a dual core Atom works very well, you won't notice any slowness unless you use it for very cpu intensive tasks, like photo editing or transcoding or other cpu heavy specialist tasks.

What makes a huge difference in responsiveness for any PC (regardless if Atom or mainstream cpu) is using a SSD as boot disk.

I'd recommend an Atom+ION with SSD rather than a more expensive CULV+ION with normal hard disk any day.

Also personally I don't like the Zotac Zboxes too much, they appear cheaply made to me, there are better Atom+ION boxes available, see this page for an overview:
http://www.linuxtech.net/features/nv..._overview.html

My Linux news / reviews / tips+tricks / downloads web site: http://www.linuxtech.net/
tux99 is offline  
post #10 of 16 Old 01-26-2011, 06:16 PM
AVS Special Member
 
MidnightWatcher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: The Great White North
Posts: 6,011
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Or, even better yet, CULV+ION+SSD.

I'll be mounting the ND22 behind the TV, so the 'looks' aren't a factor for me. Performance is.

Please feel free to visit MidnightWatcher's Blogspot or follow my NEWS feed on Twitter.
MidnightWatcher is offline  
post #11 of 16 Old 01-26-2011, 06:24 PM
AVS Special Member
 
tux99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,523
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by MidnightWatcher View Post

Or, even better yet, CULV+ION+SSD.

Sure if money is no object. But you have to take into account that the CULV gets hotter than an Atom which means the fan will spin faster (and therefore louder) more often.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MidnightWatcher View Post

I'll be mounting the ND22 behind the TV, so the 'looks' aren't a factor for me. Performance is.

By 'cheaply made' I didn't mean so much the looks, but the built quality (durability).
But that's only my personal impression, I might be wrong about that.

My Linux news / reviews / tips+tricks / downloads web site: http://www.linuxtech.net/
tux99 is offline  
post #12 of 16 Old 01-26-2011, 06:48 PM
AVS Special Member
 
MidnightWatcher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: The Great White North
Posts: 6,011
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by tux99 View Post

Sure if money is no object. But you have to take into account that the CULV gets hotter than an Atom which means the fan will spin faster (and therefore louder) more often.

The extra $20 - $50 or so is worth it, imho. As for the heat/noise, if the system is stressed under load (such as playing CPU intensive games or re-encoding video) that could be true, however in my case I won't be doing either one of those, and all video will be GPU accelerated. The extra CPU muscle gives me a bit of headroom though for other things.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tux99 View Post

By 'cheaply made' I didn't mean so much the looks, but the built quality (durability).
But that's only my personal impression, I might be wrong about that.

I haven't read about any QC problems from Zotac owners, and the reviews I've read on the ZBOXes generally liked the build quality, rating it from average to good. I guess time will tell.

AnandTech have taken a look at the Zotac ZBOX HD-ID11 and say they found the new Ion graphics to be a little faster the the original Ion, obtaining better scores in the benchmark tests. They also said the build quality was better than expected, and didn’t feel cheap.(

1)

Please feel free to visit MidnightWatcher's Blogspot or follow my NEWS feed on Twitter.
MidnightWatcher is offline  
post #13 of 16 Old 01-28-2011, 07:58 AM
AVS Special Member
 
MichaelZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 1,471
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
I've built two zotac atom/ion boxes with 2gb memory and 30gb SSD for under $200 each (including remotes - thank you Newegg black friday sales)! I am using both with xbmc 10.0 live and the response is excellent as well as video playback. I do overclock them to 2.0ghz but so far I've had no complaints from anyone in my family when using either unit.
My $0.02.
MichaelZ is offline  
post #14 of 16 Old 01-28-2011, 10:50 AM
AVS Special Member
 
MidnightWatcher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: The Great White North
Posts: 6,011
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I ordered the Zotac ND22 on Tuesday and received it on Thursday, earlier than I thought I would, so here are my thoughts in a nutshell.

The cover of the ND22 is easily removed via two thumb screws so removing the cover and installing the SSD and memory is as easy as it can get. Slide in the SSD (or HDD) and secure it down on the back end with the clip, and position in the memory at a 45 degree angle and push it down until it snaps into place (bottom module first).

Looks: Although it's a plastic case and I would have preferred aluminum/steel, it looks nice and doesn't feel too 'cheap'. I like the orange glowing "O", but those who don't can turn this off in the BIOS.

Linux Mint 10 Install: Piece of cake. I had an external DVD drive close by so I plugged it in the ND22, popped in the Linux Mint 10 x64 DVD I already had laying around, and the Zotac recognized everything right away.

XBMC Install: I first began by installing Ubuntu-Tweak by opening a terminal and entering:

Code:
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tualatrix/ppa 
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install ubuntu-tweak
From there you can select any number of programs to install. Scroll through the list of items in the Application Center, select XBMC, and then Apply. I also updated XOrg and the nVidia drivers. You can skip Ubuntu-Tweak of course and install XBMC directly:

Code:
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:team-xbmc
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install xbmc

VESA Mounting:
This was a no-go on my 40" Toshiba Regza. Seems like this is intended for regular computer monitors, not for HDTVs per se. Bummer. With my setup I was able to simply place it behind the TV anyway to keep it out of sight.

Fan Noise: When the ND22 first boots up it is whisper quiet and barely audible, but after the OS is up and running and you begin using the system for awhile the SmartFan Control ramps up the RPM and, consequently, the fan noise as well. The unit already came with the latest BIOS which gives you the ability to adjust the fan settings so I went ahead and disabled the SmartFan Control and set it to Quiet mode. (Options are Quiet Mode, 50%, Medium, 75%, and Full On). Medium, 75% and Full On are too noisy for an HTPC, but in Quiet mode this fan is barely audible at normal viewing distance and imperceptible while watching movies. The unit does get warm, but doesn't seem to be overly so. Some may even be perfectly ok with setting the fan at 50%. I wouldn't recommend the Quiet setting if you'll be playing CPU intensive games or re-encoding videos, however.

Pros: With the CULV CPU the ND22 system feels snappy and responsive, and installing an SSD is icing on the cake. It's small, comes with VESA mounting for monitors, has lots of USB ports, and accepts 2 x DDR3 SO-DIMM memory modules; has optical out.

Cons: I'll dock 1 point for non-aluminum casing, and 1 point for non-passive cooling. Bottom line, although it isn't 100% silent it makes a great HTPC. It would have been nice if Zotac had included a remote, but even if they did I'd still be using the Official XBMC Remote for Android.

My rating: 8/10

Please feel free to visit MidnightWatcher's Blogspot or follow my NEWS feed on Twitter.
MidnightWatcher is offline  
post #15 of 16 Old 02-03-2011, 10:21 AM
Newbie
 
Serberus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 1
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
So I'm looking at setting up a dedicated HTPC (XBMC 10.0 Live), and after some research the ID40 looks to be the best bang for my buck. I posted some questions on the Zotac forums, and found this thread while digging around for the info myself on my day off.

So here's my questions:

1. If I don't plan on running anything other than XBMC, is 4Gb RAM really overkill? (If 2Gb RAM is truly enough, I'd probably just grab the ID40-Plus.)

2. Does the board support SATA Port Multiplier via the eSATA port? (I plan on putting my 4Tb worth of HDDs in this Mediasonic 4-bay enclosure. [HF2-SU2S2])

Also, I'm not very versed in Linux (no experience at all), but it seems like a lot of people are setting up their HTPCs with it. Any n00b guides for setting up XBMC Live on the ID40 that cover all bases as well as an MCE remote [AVS Gear GP-IR01BK]?

Thanks in advance!
Serberus is offline  
post #16 of 16 Old 02-27-2011, 03:05 PM
Newbie
 
bizwoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Serberus View Post

So I'm looking at setting up a dedicated HTPC (XBMC 10.0 Live), and after some research the ID40 looks to be the best bang for my buck. I posted some questions on the Zotac forums, and found this thread while digging around for the info myself on my day off.

So here's my questions:

1. If I don't plan on running anything other than XBMC, is 4Gb RAM really overkill? (If 2Gb RAM is truly enough, I'd probably just grab the ID40-Plus.)

2. Does the board support SATA Port Multiplier via the eSATA port? (I plan on putting my 4Tb worth of HDDs in this Mediasonic 4-bay enclosure. [HF2-SU2S2])

Also, I'm not very versed in Linux (no experience at all), but it seems like a lot of people are setting up their HTPCs with it. Any n00b guides for setting up XBMC Live on the ID40 that cover all bases as well as an MCE remote [AVS Gear GP-IR01BK]?

Thanks in advance!

Hi,
I am also looking to use one of these not only as a HTPC but also as a file server / NAS. Something important in this case is to be able to use th esata port for connecting HDD esata enclosures like the one serberus mentioned on his post. So I have the same question as serberus. Does the eSATA host controller is Port Multiplier capable?
Thanks a lot for your help in advance.
bizwoo is offline  
Reply HTPC - Linux Chat

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off