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I'm a Windows user who has dabbled with Linux occasionally.
I sold my iPhone and now have a Samsung Galaxy SII (skyrocket) Android phone.
Freakin love the phone & Android. You have to mess with it a little more (vs. iphone) but the rewards just blow away whatever abilities I got with iLooser.

Anyways, I never liked iTunes. What is some good software to run on a Linux (or Windows) box that can synch my MP3's with my Android phone? Winamp? That's been around forever.

Also, what's a good, inexpensive way to build up my MP3 library on the cheap without stealing (kazaa, etc)?
I was thinking about buying bulk CD's on eBay, ripping & flipping them. I'd only lose about 10-25% per transation (shipping, fee's, etc). Is there any easier way?
I'm trying to get my head more into Linux these days (heck, I support vmware at work so I probably should) so you'll likely be seeing me spamming the board now and then with questions from now on.

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You might give Banshee a try. Personally, it's not my cup of tea, but I'm in the minority AFA media aggregators are concerned.

It's free and has both Windows and Linux versions and it supposedly can be used to purchase music from Amazon and of course it can import ripped mp3s, so it seems to meet a bunch of your needs. You'll have to check up on the sync capabilities. I'm sure it can sync with a bunch of devices, but Android phones are new enough that I'm not sure how well or even if they are supported.
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I'm a Windows user who has dabbled with Linux occasionally.
I sold my iPhone and now have a Samsung Galaxy SII (skyrocket) Android phone.
Freakin love the phone & Android. You have to mess with it a little more (vs. iphone) but the rewards just blow away whatever abilities I got with iLooser.

Anyways, I never liked iTunes. What is some good software to run on a Linux (or Windows) box that can synch my MP3's with my Android phone? Winamp? That's been around forever.

Also, what's a good, inexpensive way to build up my MP3 library on the cheap without stealing (kazaa, etc)?
I was thinking about buying bulk CD's on eBay, ripping & flipping them. I'd only lose about 10-25% per transation (shipping, fee's, etc). Is there any easier way?
I'm trying to get my head more into Linux these days (heck, I support vmware at work so I probably should) so you'll likely be seeing me spamming the board now and then with questions from now on.

I would suggest Rhythmbox first, as it will be the default (again) on Ubuntu 12.04. Banshee was used the last two Ubuntu releases. Banshee uses Mono, an IP-tainted spawn of MS.

http://projects.gnome.org/rhythmbox/

Mono commentary
http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2008...so-evil-a.html

Top alternative picks:

Exaile
http://www.exaile.org/

Clementine- a well regarded "fork" of Amarok 1.4
http://www.clementine-player.org/

gMusicbrowser (well regarded and my current iTunes-like player)
http://gmusicbrowser.org/

Nightinggale
http://getnightingale.com/

Amarok (Current 2.x series has a lot of detractors) (KDE/Qt centric, but should work fine in Gnome/Xfce/LXDe/etc)
http://amarok.kde.org/

aTunes
http://www.atunes.org/?page_id=6

Foobnix, a Linux Foobar2000 equivalent
http://www.foobnix.com/?page=news&lang=eng

or use Foobar2000 in Wine
http://www.atunes.org/?page_id=6

Other foobar2K class alternatives:

Aqualung
http://aqualung.factorial.hu/

quodlibet
http://code.google.com/p/quodlibet/

DeadBeef
http://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-screencast-deadbeef
http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/

Lots of other alternatives
http://alternativeto.net/software/itunes/

http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/08...ipod/#more-317

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/6-linux...lace-songbird/

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-great...music-players/

http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20...icPlayers.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari..._iPod_managers


For basic music/playlist playback with a retro Winamp 2.x interface, I like qmmp
http://qmmp.ylsoftware.com/index_en.php


re: syncing with an Android device

You shouldn't need a music app to do any "official" syncing- Android devices I've used simply appear as a storage device to computers they are connected to. Just drag/drop folders of albums over tot he Android phone/tablet/etc. I assume the Android device would be seen by the "manager" apps like Rhythmbox, Exaile, Clementine, Amarok, etc, as any other local hard drive, so you should be able to move/copy/delete/sync files on the Android device from one of those apps.

The best ways to build a quality music collection (sound quality, i.e. lossless sources, basically CD's- can't account for anyone's music tastes ):

Buy used CD's from independent music/used media stores. Indie stores that specialize in used video games often do the used DVD/CD/BluRay disc market. Indie mom & pop music/CD stores or indie DVD stores are great sources. Go to the artsy-fartsy part of a large town/metro area and there are plenty of indie music/video stores.

Buy used from ebay, craigslist. If you purchase by the lot, the cost per disc will be lower.

Buy locally from garage/yard/estate sales. The going rate in my recent experience has been $1-$2 max per disc, or less. I just picked up 70+ audiophile grade CD's (audiophile-recognized labels and recordings) of jazz, soundtracks, classical, etc during the fall garage sale season in my area. Averaged $1 a disc or so. Some were boxed sets/multi disc sets!

Buy/borrow from family, friends, coworkers.

Borrow CDs from your local library- most major metro areas have vast collections of original Cd's in their possession, paid by your tax dollars.
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Thank you both.

Wow, great - great response!!!
You've given me quite a bit to think over & try out!!!

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I actually had Google Music installed on my Xoom tablet. I just installed the Google Music Manager application On my Ubuntu install. It will upload your mp3's to the "cloud", where you can then access them with your tablet.

http://www.google.com/support/androi...&topic=1100183

Of course, you have to have a Google gmail account. But if you already have an Android tablet set up, you have an account.

Edit: Click on the "Upload Music" link in the upper right corner. It will lead to a download page.
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I have the ampache php app running at home, and there is an android app (amdroid) that allows me to access and stream all my music and playlists on my OG Motorola droid (time to upgrade).
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I have the ampache php app running at home, and there is an android app (amdroid) that allows me to access and stream all my music and playlists on my OG Motorola droid (time to upgrade).

FWIW, I now have a Samsung Galaxy Nexus which I am really enjoying. I've found an even better ampache mobile app - Justplayer w/Ampache plugin).

If the things like Google Music and Amazon cloud player had been around when I originally digitized my entire music collection and set this up, I'm not sure I would use Ampache. But since I have it integrated with MPD, already have playlists set up, already have local backups and cloud backups daily - I don't want to go through the pain of setting up my ~80GB of music on another service. I still remember the weeks (months) it took me to turn all my CDs and tapes and records into mp3s. What I can't remember is the last time I bought a CD. All music I buy is digital now.
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I still remember the weeks (months) it took me to turn all my CDs and tapes and records into mp3s.

I've just started doing that, and I have a script that does the conversion. I originally saved most of my CDs as wave files, so my script converts the wave to a mp3:
Code:
#!/bin/bash

~/Scripts/replace -s

for i in *.wav; do mv "$i" `echo $i | tr ' ' '_'`; ffmpeg -i $i -ab 320k -acodec libmp3lame ${i%.wav}.mp3; mkdir mp3; mv *.mp3 mp3; done

~/Scripts/replace -u

cd mp3

~/Scripts/replace -u
I like to have spaces in my titles, but that fouls up the scripting of the process. I found another script online that replaces the spaces with underscores, and then puts back the spaces when the job is done (that's the 'replace' command):
Code:
#!/bin/bash

# Script to replace characters in filenames | September 2011 | r3dux
# Note: This script will work on files in the present working directory only.
# The script switches are:
#
# -t – turns on [T]esting mode, which displays what would happen if you ran the script, but makes absolutely no changes to filenames.
# -u – converts all [u]nderscores to spaces.
# -s – converts all [s]paces to underscores.
# -l – converts all filenames to [L]owercase.
# -p – converts all filenames to u[P]percase.

 
# Initiate counters
changeCount=0;
ignoreCount=0;
 
# Initiate flags
displayUsage="FALSE"
testRun="FALSE"
u2sMode="FALSE"
s2uMode="FALSE"
toLowercase="FALSE"
toUppercase="FALSE"
proceed="FALSE"
 
# Set flags from the user provided parameters
while getopts "htuslp" optname
do
        case "$optname" in
                "h")
                        displayUsage="TRUE"
                        ;;
                "t")
                        echo "Test mode only - no filenames will be modified..."
                        testRun="TRUE"
                        ;;
                "u")
                        echo "Mode set to convert underscores to spaces..."
                        u2sMode="TRUE"
                        proceed="TRUE"
                        ;;
                "s")
                        echo "Mode set to convert spaces to underscores..."
                        s2uMode="TRUE"
                        proceed="TRUE"
                        ;;
                "l")
                        echo "Mode set to convert filenames to lowercase..."
                        toLowercase="TRUE"
                        ;;
                "p")
                        echo "Mode set to convert filenames to uppercase..."
                        toUppercase="TRUE"
                        ;;
                # Catch-all for unknown switches
                *)
                        echo
                        echo "Unknown error while processing parameters. Please use -h to display usage paramaters."
                        echo
                        exit 0
                        ;;
        esac
done
echo
 
# If asked to, or if we got a parameter we don't recognise show the usage options
if [ $displayUsage == "TRUE" ]; then
        echo "repchars is a small script to replace characters in filenames, or vice versa."
        echo
        echo "Usage: repchars [-t] (-u | -s) [-l | -p]"
        echo
        echo -e "-t\    turns on [T]esting mode, which displays what would happen if you ran the script, but makes absolutely no changes to filenames."
        echo -e "-u\    converts all [u]nderscores to spaces."
        echo -e "-s\    converts all [s]paces to underscores."
        echo -e "-l\    converts all filenames to [L]owercase."
        echo -e "-p\    converts all filenames to u[P]percase."
        echo
        echo "You can use use any combination of parameters except the mutually exclusive options -u and -s, and -l and -p."
        echo
        echo "It's recommended that you do a trial run with the -t switch to be sure the outcome is as you want it before commiting!"
        echo
 
        exit 0;
fi
 
# Moan if we have both 'toLowercase' and 'toUppercase' set (mutually exclusive)
if [ $toUppercase == "TRUE" -a $toLowercase == "TRUE" ]; then
        echo "You cannot convert to both uppercase and lowercase at the same time."
        proceed="FALSE"
fi
 
# Moan if we have both 'spaces-to-underscores' and 'underscores-to-spaces' set (mutually exclusive)
if [ $s2uMode == "TRUE" -a $u2sMode == "TRUE" ]; then
        echo "You cannot convert spaces to underscores and underscores to spaces at the same time."
        proceed="FALSE"
fi
 
# If the proceed flag isn't set, we don't proceed...
if [ $proceed == "FALSE" ]; then
        echo "Please use repchars -h for usage instructions."
        echo
        exit 0;
fi
 
# Function to replace characters dependent on the flags set
function replaceChars()
{
        # Note: Once we're in this function $1 isn't the first parameter passed to the 
        # script, it's the first (and only) parameter passed to this function.
 
        # If appropriate, convert underscores to spaces
        if [ $u2sMode == "TRUE" ]; then
                newFilename=$(echo "$1" | tr _ ' ')
        fi
 
        # If appropriate, convert spaces to underscores
        if [ $s2uMode == "TRUE" ]; then
                newFilename=$(echo "$1" | tr ' ' _)
        fi
 
        # If apppropriate, convert filenames to lowercase
        if [ $toLowercase == "TRUE" ]; then
                newFilename=$(echo "$newFilename" | tr 'A-Z' 'a-z')
        fi
 
        # If apppropriate, convert filenames to uppercase
        if [ $toUppercase == "TRUE" ]; then
                newFilename=$(echo "$newFilename" | tr 'a-z' 'A-Z')
        fi
 
        # Only modify the filename if the original and new filenames are not the same thing
        # (i.e. there may be nothing to change, and if we mv the file to itself mv will complain)
        if [ "$1" != "$newFilename" ]; then
 
                let changeCount+=1
 
                if [ $testRun == "FALSE" ]; then
                        echo "Original filename: $1"
                        echo "New filename     : $newFilename"
                        echo `mv "$1" "$newFilename"` # This actually renames the file
                else
                        echo "*TESTRUN* Original filename: $1"
                        echo "*TESTRUN* New filename     : $newFilename"
                        echo
                fi
        else
                let ignoreCount+=1
 
                echo -e "No change required to filename: $1"
        fi
}
 
# Call the replacement function on each file
for f in *; do
 
        replaceChars "$f" 
 
done # End of file checking loop
 
# Finally, display the counts of filename changes and exit
echo
if [ $testRun == "TRUE" ]; then
        echo "We would have changed the filenames of $changeCount file(s) and ignored $ignoreCount file(s) which required no changing."
else
        echo "Changed the filenames of $changeCount file(s) and ignored $ignoreCount file(s) which required no changing."
fi
echo
I just 'cd' into the folder that has the wave files, and run the first script.

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What I can't remember is the last time I bought a CD. All music I buy is digital now.

The music that I like is usually rare, uncommon and/or old. You usually can't get that stuff from a digital music store. Can you get Captain Beefheart from your digital music store?

I have found a place that has a lot of CD re-releases of old/rare vinyl LPs:

http://www.ccmusic.com/
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I've just started doing that, and I have a script that does the conversion. I originally saved most of my CDs as wave files, so my script converts the wave to a mp3:

Any reason not to simply use the GUI app SoundConvertor (Synaptic or Ubuntu Software Center)?

http://soundconverter.org/

Drag/drop any/all directories with albums in any format (wav/flac/aiff/etc) and it will dump the file output of your choice (mp3/ogg/flac/etc) into the same or another directory of your choice, including creating the same directory tree on folders/albums in the root output directory.

Nice script-fu skillz- you earned 5 geek merits back

Thanks for the heads up on ccmusic.com. Always looking for good sources of quality/rare printed music.

re: downloads vs CD's

You can't resell "digital" downloads, which are of unknown source and/or quality (what master are they from? have they been re-sampled, or lossy somewhere in the chain?)

A CD serves as a reference lossless master and backup for when (not if) your music filled hard disk(s) dies. If you tire of the music, you can resell it later- there is *always* a fan willing to buy an original CD/DVD. If you pay good prices (on sale/used) on CD's/DVD's/BluRays, they retain their value for this reason (music/concert discs of quality artists, not everyday mass produced movies or Brittany Spears ).

Another music player/manager to try-

http://sourceforge.net/projects/guayadeque/
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I've just started doing that, and I have a script that does the conversion. I originally saved most of my CDs as wave files, so my script converts the wave to a mp3:

Do any of these scripts save metadata (genre, album title, year, artist, etc.) about the music into the file (e.g. id3 tags)? that's what took me the longest... so the files can be indexed and easily searched by various criteria later.

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The music that I like is usually rare, uncommon and/or old. You usually can't get that stuff from a digital music store. Can you get Captain Beefheart from your digital music store?

I have found a place that has a lot of CD re-releases of old/rare vinyl LPs:

http://www.ccmusic.com/

Yes, Captain Beefheart can be found in the Amazon store and in probably in others. A lot of the music I listen too isn't that popular or is pretty old as well but usually I can find it from one source or another.

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Any reason not to simply use the GUI app SoundConvertor (Synaptic or Ubuntu Software Center)?

http://soundconverter.org/
re: downloads vs CD's

You can't resell "digital" downloads, which are of unknown source and/or quality (what master are they from? have they been re-sampled, or lossy somewhere in the chain?)

A CD serves as a reference lossless master and backup for when (not if) your hard disk dies. If you tire of the music, you can resell it later- there is *always* a fan willing to buy an original CD/DVD. If you pay good prices (on sale/used) on CD's/DVD's/BluRays, they retain their value for this reason (music/concert discs of quality artists, not everyday mass produced movies or Brittany Spears ).

Another music player/manager to try-

http://sourceforge.net/projects/guayadeque/

I collect music, and only plan on giving away my music when I die. No plans to ever resell. I'm not worried about backups of digital music. I have nightly processes that backup all my music (among other things) to a another drive at home and a drive in the cloud - so I'm good there as I have local and remote backups (that are also duplicated).

As for quality, I'm a bit of an audiophile, and car stereo systems are a hobby of mine. 256K rate mp3s are of sufficient quality for most of the systems I play back music on - and that's pretty much the minimum quality I buy. I have to balance portability with quality - which is why I chose a lossy format. Back in the day it was harder to find devices that played songs other than mp3s so I chose that format - not gonna re-rip everything now and it still is the most portable format (I listen to my music on the hard drives in my cars, at work, on the bus, over the web, when working out and on too many different devices to list).

I will admit though, all of my classical music came from CDs and records. I haven't bought any new classical music. Most of my Jazz comes from CDs too.

All of my CDs, tapes, and vinyl are currently in storage I no longer have any 8 tracks .
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I collect music, and only plan on giving away my music when I die. No plans to ever resell. I'm not worried about backups of digital music. I have nightly processes that backup all my music (among other things) to a another drive at home and a drive in the cloud - so I'm good there as I have local and remote backups (that are also duplicated).

Yes, the new cloud music services with storage of your own uploads are a nice solution. Just be sure your hard disk backup is in another physical location as well. Flood, fire, nuclear reactor mishaps...

I agree that 256K MP3's can be "close enough" to lossless, assuming someone who knows what they are doing encodes properly from a known good lossless source, i.e. VBR encoding with best encoding parameters and encoder software.
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Yes, the new cloud music services with storage of your own uploads are a nice solution. Just be sure your hard disk backup is in another physical location as well. Flood, fire, nuclear reactor mishaps...

I agree that 256K MP3's can be "close enough" to lossless, assuming someone who knows what they are doing encodes properly from a known good lossless source, i.e. VBR encoding with best encoding parameters and encoder software.

I don't use the cloud music services although I would if I were starting today. I have a regular backup solution where my music is backed up to. It's remote and that's enough since I can access my cloud backup from anywhere. As one who is responsible for the IT disaster recovery plans at work, this is definitely something I am very aware of. Online backup services are so inexpensive and plentiful most people should have one. I use it for all my regular user data files at home.

I'm also ultra paranoid. Every so often I I refresh a lot of my data (including music files) onto an external drive and store it in my safety deposit box. I have backups out the wazoo - especially if you count my CDs in storage (although that would only be about 75% of my music).
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Any reason not to simply use the GUI app SoundConvertor (Synaptic or Ubuntu Software Center)?

http://soundconverter.org/

Drag/drop any/all directories with albums in any format (wav/flac/aiff/etc) and it will dump the file output of your choice (mp3/ogg/flac/etc) into the same or another directory of your choice, including creating the same directory tree on folders/albums in the root output directory.

Nice script-fu skillz- you earned 5 geek merits back

Since scripting ffmpeg worked, I didn't look any further. Besides, bash scripting satiates the inner geek. If I was satisfied with using GUIs, I would probably still be using Windows. I have to admit that most of it I found on the internet, I just tweaked it a bit.
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Do any of these scripts save metadata (genre, album title, year, artist, etc.) about the music into the file (e.g. id3 tags)? that's what took me the longest... so the files can be indexed and easily searched by various criteria later.

Since the wave files contain no metadata, there is nothing to copy. And yes, I have found that very time consuming. There are some terminal ID3 tag editors that I have been meaning to try. If one of them could incorporate the the track number and name into the tag, that could be added to the script.
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Since the wave files contain no metadata, there is nothing to copy. And yes, I have found that very time consuming. There are some terminal ID3 tag editors that I have been meaning to try. If one of them could incorporate the the track number and name into the tag, that could be added to the script.

Luckily, you only have to do all of this once, and then just keep up on the new stuff. The task was well worth it for me, and I'm sure it will be for you too. I did the bulk of mine on Windows before I switched back to primarily using Linux at home - scripting would have been a nice alternative. As I'm sure you know it generally just makes things more flexible and I tend to try and do things more CLI too - since that's how I started on computers.
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I found one terminal ID3 editor that claims to be able to use the file name in the tag. It is id3ren. I haven't gotten it to work yet, but I'm sure that I just have the syntax wrong.
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I wanted to throw a suggestion out there for the excellent app I use in conjunction with my Android phone to manage my music: Subsonic

It's a really nice app that'll transcode your files on the fly, stream audio and video, download podcasts, web interface for access anywhere, easy upload/download of media items, excellent android app that streams on demand and has a configurable local cache to save your most listened to items and a ton of other features. On the Subsonic site there's a live demo you can play around with so give it a shot, I can't recommend this app enough.
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I wanted to throw a suggestion out there for the excellent app I use in conjunction with my Android phone to manage my music: Subsonic

It's a really nice app that'll transcode your files on the fly, stream audio and video, download podcasts, web interface for access anywhere, easy upload/download of media items, excellent android app that streams on demand and has a configurable local cache to save your most listened to items and a ton of other features. On the Subsonic site there's a live demo you can play around with so give it a shot, I can't recommend this app enough.

Thanks for the heads up- amazing there's *Still* music player/managers I haven't heard of yet

It appears Subsonic is ad supported unless paid for, as well as the Android app.
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I wanted to throw a suggestion out there for the excellent app I use in conjunction with my Android phone to manage my music: Subsonic

It's a really nice app that'll transcode your files on the fly, stream audio and video, download podcasts, web interface for access anywhere, easy upload/download of media items, excellent android app that streams on demand and has a configurable local cache to save your most listened to items and a ton of other features. On the Subsonic site there's a live demo you can play around with so give it a shot, I can't recommend this app enough.

That looks cool. I first heard of it as an App on my roku but since I've already got my solution I didn't look into it too much. Man, if you have a digital music collection today your options are endless and wonderful for listening to your music anywhere...
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Just heard about this one on the Sourcetrunk podcast:

https://launchpad.net/arista

I haven't had a chance to try it yet but it sounds promising for the syncing side of the problem.

[edit. Nevermind, based on the blurb in the RSS feed I thought this had some interesting syncing features. But on further inspection, it sound like it's just a Handbrake alternative. ]
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I found one terminal ID3 editor that claims to be able to use the file name in the tag. It is id3ren. I haven't gotten it to work yet, but I'm sure that I just have the syntax wrong.

I now have this working. I started a new thread on the script that I made to transcode, tag and create a playlist from my wave files:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post21473396
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