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I was just cruising the internet looking for interesting accesories for my new 2008 Exige S 240 I'm picking up next week, and I happened upon this!

http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_s...hp?fit_id=1545



WTF?!! I MUST have one!!!

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Oook! 15 lbs! Perhaps I don't need one...

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It doesn't look like you can have a passenger in the car though after installing it, unless you want her/him kicking your sub cone...

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I was just cruising the internet looking for interesting accesories for my new 2008 Exige S 240 I'm picking up next week, and I happened upon this!

http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_s...hp?fit_id=1545



WTF?!! I MUST have one!!!

Nice car, Im sure you'll love it. Tried the Exige S. Surprisingly good on the road but you will always be aware that a track day is more than warranted.

Hope to test the 240 when I get the time.

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It doesn't look like you can have a passenger in the car though after installing it, unless you want her/him kicking your sub cone...

"A steel mesh grille is included to protect the subwoofer driver."

Speaking as a passanger with big feet, I'm not to comfortable in the Elise, with or without the sub. Sure is purdy from the outside though!

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Me, ever since I saw the Ariel Atom on a Top Gear episode, that's what I've been hankering for:
http://www.arielmotor.co.uk/

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More on the Atom, including the clip from Top Gear
http://www.carlustblog.com/2008/04/car-lust--ariel.html

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The passanger seat of the Elise suddenly seems quite comfortable.
I'm guessing JL Audio doesn't have a Sub for the Atom

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Nice car, Im sure you'll love it. Tried the Exige S. Surprisingly good on the road but you will always be aware that a track day is more than warranted.

Hope to test the 240 when I get the time.

Lets us know how you get on.

I'm trading in my 2005 Elise for it. I'm psyched for the extra HP and Torque. I've already got a convertible conversion planned in the future, so I can ride around every so often with the hard top off and not have to worry about rain.

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The passanger seat of the Elise suddenly seems quite comfortable.
I'm guessing JL Audio doesn't have a Sub for the Atom

Of course they do! It hangs over your head though and doubles as a hardtop...

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I would buy a smaller formula car over an Atom, and then race it.

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Anyone have any suggestions for excellent audio gear for cars?

This is what I am thinking of adding right now (keep in mind, I can't do one of those large touchscreens in the car due to the dashboard setup):

JVC KD-NX5000 w/ the Bluetooth and Sirius Satellite addons. (This is the largest size head unit I can use...)



Boyo License Plate Camera (for rear view assistance when backing up the car, etc).



Possibly that JL sub. (Now that I know there is protection over the cone!)

Depending on the speakers, a possible speaker upgrade. (If anyone has suggestions on which ones are excellent for car systems, I'd appreciate some advice!)

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Wow, perhaps I will go with a full JL speaker system and integrated design. I'm going to contact them on Monday and see what they recommend from their gear...

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I think one of the owners of JL, Lucio Proni, owns a Lotus. It might be his car that's depicted.
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I think one of the owners of JL, Lucio Proni, owns a Lotus. It might be his car that's depicted.

Yeah, I saw that. They mention it on the webpage.

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Anyone have any suggestions for excellent audio gear for cars?

In sports cars, Im not a huge fan of "big" audio.

I have H/K with JL sub in a Range Rover which is really nice, but I suppose you are after an aftermarket solution

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JVC is not known for quality in the car audio world. If you don't need a screen I would go with a Pioneer DEH-P800PRS. It's a great deck with lots of SQ oriented features. For amps I would look at the JL HD600/4. It's small and would provide 300 watts to the sub and 150 x 2 to your speakers. For speakers it all depends on how much you want to spend. For under $500 you can't beat the Pioneer Prs-720's. If you want to spend more than that I would look at the new Dynaudio line or maybe some Focal Be's.

The most important part of the system is the install so spend some time finding a person that knows what we is doing, maybe someone that has competed in Sq companions before and knows what a good stereo should sound like.
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JVC is not known for quality in the car audio world. If you don't need a screen I would go with a Pioneer DEH-P800PRS. It's a great deck with lots of SQ oriented features. For amps I would look at the JL HD600/4. It's small and would provide 300 watts to the sub and 150 x 2 to your speakers. For speakers it all depends on how much you want to spend. For under $500 you can't beat the Pioneer Prs-720's. If you want to spend more than that I would look at the new Dynaudio line or maybe some Focal Be's.

The most important part of the system is the install so spend some time finding a person that knows what we is doing, maybe someone that has competed in Sq companions before and knows what a good stereo should sound like.

Unfortunately, I need the backup camera option that is in the JVC (I also wouldn't mind the navigation option either, as well as Sirius radio, and Bluetooth). The JVC does have some nice options, such as PEQ, EQ, HD storage, etc.

Here is what I am probably going to put into the car:

JVC KD NX5000
Alpine PDX-5
JL Audio Stealthbox (carbon fiber version, if I can find one)
JL Audio VR525-CXi
JL Audio VR650-CXi (or two more VR525-CXi if I can't fit these)
Deflex Pads I've been getting a lot of input from other Lotus owners. If I were going to use a different head unit I would get this one: Alpine CDA-9887. Perhaps I still will if I decide I don't need the backup mirror...

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Not top of the line, but this car is fairly noisy, so I wouldn't benefit tremendously from a top of the line system anyway... From what I hear, it will give a noticeable sound difference over the stock system though.

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Hey, 2005 Elise owner here!

I've considered the footwell JL sub too but after I installed my CAI, the stereo is drowned out. The little engine makes a much better music anyway, so why bother?

If your passenger is relatively compact (<5'10") the sub shouldn't be in the way of leg-space.

Congrats on your S240! You're gonna love it!
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Unfortunately, I need the backup camera option that is in the JVC (I also wouldn't mind the navigation option either, as well as Sirius radio, and Bluetooth). The JVC does have some nice options, such as PEQ, EQ, HD storage, etc.

Here is what I am probably going to put into the car:

JVC KD NX5000
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JL Audio Stealthbox (carbon fiber version, if I can find one)
JL Audio VR525-CXi
JL Audio VR650-CXi (or two more VR525-CXi if I can't fit these)
Deflex Pads I've been getting a lot of input from other Lotus owners. If I were going to use a different head unit I would get this one: Alpine CDA-9887. Perhaps I still will if I decide I don't need the backup mirror...




You should design your system like you would design any other stereo system.
Start with a good pair of speakers up front. Using multiple pairs of speakers will just mess up your sound stage. If you want a carbon fiber box it will have to be custom made and will be pricey. Most carbon fiber boxes are usually made out of fiber glass with one layer of FC on top for show.

You should read this:
http://www.elitecaraudio.com/article.php?sid=22
http://www.elitecaraudio.com/search.php?query=&topic=1

and check out this forum. There's a few people on that forum that live in your area that are real good installers.
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You should read this:
http://www.elitecaraudio.com/article.php?sid=22
http://www.elitecaraudio.com/search.php?query=&topic=1

and check out this forum. There's a few people on that forum that live in your area that are real good installers.
http://forum.elitecaraudio.com/

Thanks! I'm very familiar with this stuff already. It will be nice to read how to deal with it better in cars though.

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You should design your system like you would design any other stereo system.
Start with a good pair of speakers up front. Using multiple pairs of speakers will just mess up your sound stage.

Yeah. I plan on setting up the rear speakers have a lot less volume than the front speakers (my fader on the Elise was at +9). At this price point (the speakers I have chosen), and in this kind of car (inherently noisy), I'm not really concerned with getting anything better or worse.

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Hey, 2005 Elise owner here!

I've considered the footwell JL sub too but after I installed my CAI, the stereo is drowned out. The little engine makes a much better music anyway, so why bother?

If your passenger is relatively compact (<5'10") the sub shouldn't be in the way of leg-space.

Congrats on your S240! You're gonna love it!
I'm considering the ForcedFed FF380 kit that turns the Elise into a track monster that gulps Vipers and Z06s on the straights, as far as the twisties... forget about it...

I had been considering the Secant modifications, which does 0-60 in 3.9 seconds, but decided on a new car instead (I wanted the 100 lbs of push from the scoop among other things...).

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Are they still running the bullet proof toyota engines?
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That's no Fathom. That's JL's lowly w1 woofer. You need to get the real Fathom 13w7. It weighs in at feather weight 53 pounds. That would really screw up the weight distribution in a 1900 pound car. It's the exact same driver that's in the Fathom and the Gotham. I had one of these in my Civic and with JL 1000 mono amp. Impossible to stay in the car with the doors, closed.

For high end car audio, my choice would be McIntosh....wrapped in a Ford GT package. Other HE audio, unfortunately don't come as well equiped for high performance driving. Dynaudio/Volvo or Mark Levinson in the Lexi. Then there's no companies we love to hate who have branded car audio, in otherwise fine vehicles....Bang and Olufsen in the Audis and Bose in a gazillion vehicles good and bad. Harmon is very busy using their nameplates as well. But given the means, the absolute ultimate in both car audio and car performance goes to Bugatti/Burmester! I wonder if you subtract the entertainment system they'd knock off the price of the Exige.

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Yeah. I plan on setting up the rear speakers have a lot less volume than the front speakers (my fader on the Elise was at +9). At this price point (the speakers I have chosen), and in this kind of car (inherently noisy), I'm not really concerned with getting anything better or worse.

I have a Civic with a engine swap, intake, headers and exhaust snd my system has no problems with playing load enough even for people sitting in the back. My front stage is active with 50 watts going to each tweeter and 50 watts going to each mid. If you go with a set of quality speakers up front with a 100-150 watts you will have no problems with volume,. take a look at the review for the pioneer TS-C720PRS speakers. They can be had for under $300. http://www.caraudiomag.com/testrepor...prs/index.html

Whats your budget for your system???
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That's no Fathom. That's JL's lowly w1 woofer. You need to get the real Fathom 13w7. It weighs in at feather weight 53 pounds. That would really screw up the weight distribution in a 1900 pound car. It's the exact same driver that's in the Fathom and the Gotham. I had one of these in my Civic and with JL 1000 mono amp. Impossible to stay in the car with the doors, closed.

For high end car audio, my choice would be McIntosh....wrapped in a Ford GT package. Other HE audio, unfortunately don't come as well equiped for high performance driving. Dynaudio/Volvo or Mark Levinson in the Lexi. Then there's no companies we love to hate who have branded car audio, in otherwise fine vehicles....Bang and Olufsen in the Audis and Bose in a gazillion vehicles good and bad. Harmon is very busy using their nameplates as well. But given the means, the absolute ultimate in both car audio and car performance goes to Bugatti/Burmester! I wonder if you subtract the entertainment system they'd knock off the price of the Exige.

Doug,

Standard equipment still is the 1.8 litre super peaky Toy engine. The ultimate combination of awesome performance and reliability.

I'm not going for a top notch system in the car, because these cars are too noisy anyway. I've had a Lotus Elise for the last 3 years, and you can't even hear the mid-range of the sound system once you are on the highway with the stage 2 exhaust I had in it (I just traded it in for the new one yesterday, and I pick up the new one on Saturday). It will be a little quieter in the Exige I bought, but not enough so to build a top notch system into the car.

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QC,


I agree, don't bother with an audio system in this gem of a car.
Bring it to the track and enjoy the second cam to 8,800RPM!

Enjoy it as it was intended to be enjoyed via Colin Chapman's mantra:
"Simplify and add lightness"

My Elise is my daily driver.
No better way to arrive to work alert and ready to go!
30mpg is a nice bonus too!


PS The 2ZZ-GE Engine was designed by Yamaha for Toyota. Yamaha knows a thing or two about free revving engines.

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Are they still running the bullet proof toyota engines?

Yes, Toyota engines power the Lotus Exige and Elise.

A friend of mine is the engineering editor for European Car magazine, and he often gets to try out press cars from various makes. A few weeks ago he was driving an Exige. It's an extremely cool car, but definitely not easy to get in or out of!

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I agree, don't bother with an audio system in this gem of a car.
Bring it to the track and enjoy the second cam to 8,800RPM!

Enjoy it as it was intended to be enjoyed

My thoughts exactly, as posted above. In a true sports car, "big audio" dilutes the experience and actually detracts from the car.I'd leave that to the ricers.

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