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I recently demoed the B&W 802D's powered by 2 Mcintosh 501 monoblocks. I loved the sound they gave but then when I demoed the 802D's in a theater environment powered by rotel monoblock amps I wasn't nearly as impressed. I'm wondering if maybe I was just really taken in with the Mcintosh amps and if anyone here has a full mcintosh set-up (speakers and amps) that might comment on which speakers other then Mac they considered. I was considering 7 of the XLS320 maybe with 3 MC501's across the front and 1 MC205 for the sides and rears since I need to mount the speakers under my screen and I can't accommodate floor standing speakers. And if anyone knows of any wall mountable speakers that go well with mac amps please feel free to comment.

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While I think mcIntosh makes great amps personally, it doesn't sound like a fair comparison because the speakers sound like they were in totally different rooms, probably with different electronics besides just amps etc, not apples to apples.

That being said, for the fans, its really hard IMO to not fall in love with the look etc of the McIntosh gear. Even if they don't sound better, you know they look better
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I'm not a McIntosh fan, but I do think they'll do a better job of driving the 802Ds than the Rotels would, so I don't think it's just the room.
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I demoed a Mac integrated (69xx something) on 805Ds and a Rotel separates system on 802Ds. The Mac was significantly better. Also, I have a Rotel stereo receiver at home. I'm biased and still liked the McIntosh.
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McIntosh is a great company with an excellent history tied in with that of the Grateful Dead!

The only Rotel mono amps I see on their website are class D. If this is the case, definitely go with the McIntosh amps. You might want to check out Brystons as well. Brystons are an excellent value for their performance, build and 20 year warranty... You can also find authorized pro-dealers willing to give good deals on them.

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We are McIntosh dealer, and one of the most demo'd speakers with the Mc amps (6900, 252, MC275's(bridged), 1.2K's is besides McIntosh, is Focal's. We have used 1027BE's and Chorus's. They sound great.

I was going to write something here about procrastination, but maybe I'll wait til tomorrow.
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I recently demoed the B&W 802D's powered by 2 Mcintosh 501 monoblocks. I loved the sound they gave but then when I demoed the 802D's in a theater environment powered by rotel monoblock amps I wasn't nearly as impressed. I'm wondering if maybe I was just really taken in with the Mcintosh amps and if anyone here has a full mcintosh set-up (speakers and amps) that might comment on which speakers other then Mac they considered. I was considering 7 of the XLS320 maybe with 3 MC501's across the front and 1 MC205 for the sides and rears since I need to mount the speakers under my screen and I can't accommodate floor standing speakers. And if anyone knows of any wall mountable speakers that go well with mac amps please feel free to comment.

I have a full Mcintosh speaker and amp set-up. Three MC501 monoblocks across the front and two MC252 stereo amps on surrounds and rear speakers in a 7.2 set-up. I think the JM Labs recommendation is a great one. JM labs can be kind of on the bright side and a bit harsh with some amps. Mcintosh amps can be a bit more laid back with some speakers. With JM labs, I feel each compensates for the other to produce a great synergy.. I have the older line of Mcintosh speakers that proceeded the XLS320s. The MC501 may be over-kill for the XLS320. Martin Logan should also be high on your list. Martin Logan and Mcintosh really produces a transparent and natural sound as well. Resale value on Mcintosh amps is the best of all the gear I have sold. Believe it or not, I have actually made a profit on some of the stuff that I sold two year after buying it used on Audiogon.

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Been listening to MC275 x 2 with Sonus Faber Guarneri Memento fronts.
Very relaxing yet tugging at your emotional strings. As you may check out
at Audiokarma, many Mc fans there are pairing up their Mc Amps with Sonus Faber's.

I will bet though the Mc speakers will kick dynamics up to heavens if can afford them.
Did have all Mc in my car 10+ years ago... Never can forget that feeling.
Thumping volume with windows down on the highway at night... most dynamic.

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I think mcintosh made a bad decision by not having audio over HDMI for the MX136.
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anyone with mac amps on aerial acoustic speakers?

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I think mcintosh made a bad decision by not having audio over HDMI for the MX136.

Yes, this is a concern for me as well. I will say though that the HDMI has worked well on their first attempt so that does say something, I don't remember any updates to fix problems etc
That being said, next two months or so It kinda becomes a non issue with all the new blu-rays finally outputting master audio via analog (bd50, bdp550, dvd3800, whatever the pioneer is etc) so its not much of a concern anymore. Overall though, it would have an easier time for clients that want to buy it with HDMI audio support and much less wiring hassle.
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I use a full Mc amp(3 1201 and 2 501) with JBL K2 .It is amazing
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anyone with mac amps on aerial acoustic speakers?

I do: 9/CC5/SR3 powered by MC207. If gas prices weren't so high, I'd probably get an MC402 to drive the 9s.
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That being said, next two months or so It kinda becomes a non issue with all the new blu-rays finally outputting master audio via analog (bd50, bdp550, dvd3800, whatever the pioneer is etc) so its not much of a concern anymore.

Then what would be the point of having an MX136?
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I do: 9/CC5/SR3 powered by MC207. If gas prices weren't so high, I'd probably get an MC402 to drive the 9s.


How does your system perform with movies? What sub are you using?

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How does your system perform with movies? What sub are you using?

It is quite extraordinary with movies. I'm sure there are better HT setups around but the sound quality so substantially exceeds my expectations in terms of clarity, depth, volume, impact, imaging and every other criterion that might be important that, for once in my life, I have no updgraditis. For two-channel, though, it seems as if the 9s could use a bit more juice; hence the lusting after the 402. Oh, I have two JL Audio f112s for subs. An absolutely superior sub for both movies and music.
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I recently demoed the B&W 802D's powered by 2 Mcintosh 501 monoblocks. I loved the sound they gave but then when I demoed the 802D's in a theater environment powered by rotel monoblock amps I wasn't nearly as impressed. I'm wondering if maybe I was just really taken in with the Mcintosh amps and if anyone here has a full mcintosh set-up (speakers and amps) that might comment on which speakers other then Mac they considered. I was considering 7 of the XLS320 maybe with 3 MC501's across the front and 1 MC205 for the sides and rears since I need to mount the speakers under my screen and I can't accommodate floor standing speakers. And if anyone knows of any wall mountable speakers that go well with mac amps please feel free to comment.

I have two MC207 amps, and I have 2 pair of B&W Sig. 8NT in-walls and 1 pair of B&W CWM DS8 in-walls for back/surround.
The MC207 amps work very well with B&W in-walls for music and HT.

If I was to buy amps other than macs, it would be Halcro.

Also, to comment on HDMI and mac pre/pros. Mac has always been slow to implement new technology on their pre/pros which is why I have never bought them.
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Then what would be the point of having an MX136?

Without trying to argue, I see a few reasons people would consider them (not in any special order):
-Cosmetics
-Build quality
-2ch performance
-1 analog vol control per channel (mx136 has 8), not sure how big of a deal this is but it does it

Is internal decoding that big of an issue? I honestly don't know if it makes a difference to have the player do the work or the processor. I will say that I do feel the MX136 offers excellent analog performance IMO but yes, its very expensive for its feature set. I have found it to be a great performer for both surround sound and 2ch music
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Is anyone using Mcintosh amps with Dynaudio?? I've heard that it's a really good combination. Currently using a Sim Titan and am considering adding an MC402.

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anyone with mac amps on aerial acoustic speakers?

Yes. Model 9 with MC402. I have a 207 as well and was using it on the 9's before I got the 402. Much better with the 402 as you might expect.
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Without trying to argue, I see a few reasons people would consider them (not in any special order):
-Cosmetics
-Build quality
-2ch performance
-1 analog vol control per channel (mx136 has 8), not sure how big of a deal this is but it does it

You could then save a pile of money by buying a C45.

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Is internal decoding that big of an issue? I honestly don't know if it makes a difference to have the player do the work or the processor. I will say that I do feel the MX136 offers excellent analog performance IMO but yes, its very expensive for its feature set. I have found it to be a great performer for both surround sound and 2ch music

If you are doing it that way then all you are using the MX136 for is a expensive volume control.
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I use a full Mc amp(3 1201 and 2 501) with JBL K2 .It is amazing

Do you have pictures of this set up?
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Hows this for a setup:
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Hows this for a setup:

AWESOME. Who says things can not both look beautiful and sound beautiful. My Mcintosh stuff is the first electronics that my wife has ever liked or taken any interest. She called my previous amps, "the big black thing." She's taken enough interest in my Mcintosh stuff to actually know the model numbers.
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Nice pics guys.

Charles, my buddy has the MC2k amps (pictured with the Wilson speakers a few posts above) driving Dynaudio Evidence Temptations. Great combo. He used to have the MC275 I believe (vertically biamped) - also a good combo.

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Hows this for a setup:

Audio heaven!

If it were mine I would never need to consider upgrades again!



of course, room treatments, electric, placement...........

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I did one of these 5,000 miles away ...

With four c4's for rears. That takes the cake, although it now needs an ML502 and a new DCI hacked projector.
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I love my McIntosh products: MC501x3, MC252, MX119, MA6900.

The MC501 is very special and sounds great. I think it is the sweet spot in the McIntosh line. I running my MC501's with Monitor Audio GR20's and Monitor Audio GR10's with a SVS SB12-Plus on my MA6900. I find great synergy with these two companies.

You might want to consider Monitor Audio PL300's with McIntoshMC501's.

I also find great synergy with my Cary 306/200 CD players that I use as DACs connected to my computers with RME HDSP9632 sound cards.
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Bogg and Cinermax,

Thanks for the info on the Mcintosh and the Dyn's. I've heard where they have very good synergy together. I've never owned Mcintosh, but it's on the radar screen. My problem is space constraints, so the 501's would not be something I could accommodate, so I'd need to go for a 2 channel amp, which in this case is the 402. Thanks again!!

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