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post #91 of 160 Old 06-12-2008, 05:46 PM
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The issue for me is that all of my music is ripped as FLAC and itunes does not support FLAC (I have never understood why?) so I am not sure I got integrate Sonos easily. Unless I am incorrect?

iTunes doesn't support FLAC since they have Apple Lossless (mpeg4). But yeah, use whatever you want to rip and organize, the Sonos will see just about any music file, anywhere on your system.

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They just kinda borrowed the iPod interface.

Another good idea would be to show bitrate when using internet radio,as would the ability to run the SONOS software without the units present to allow radio URLs to be pre loaded.

I have to say that this system has been a true revelation to me.

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coldmachine, if I understand correctly you have 4 outdoor speakers (all NEAR A8s?). Are you using the zp80 or 100? If 100, are you using the wiring in parallel like they show on the sonos forum? I have enough 100s to use one of those, but could also see using an old AVR (I've got a Denon 2803 lying around gathering dust) that I could use with an 80. I did order a pair of the A8s; plan to hook them up and see if I feel 2 speakers is enough.

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coldmachine, if I understand correctly you have 4 outdoor speakers (all NEAR A8s?). Are you using the zp80 or 100? If 100, are you using the wiring in parallel like they show on the sonos forum? I have enough 100s to use one of those, but could also see using an old AVR (I've got a Denon 2803 lying around gathering dust) that I could use with an 80. I did order a pair of the A8s; plan to hook them up and see if I feel 2 speakers is enough.

I tested with 2 and 4 speaker configuration. That was purely to find out which speaker to spec. I will be using a pair of 4.0 zones and 4 of stereo zones. All will be A8s. I only have the one 4.0 running atm, using an AVR as the whole thing is part of a whole house install. The 4.0 zones are to allow surround processing so the Sonos units wont work for that , although there is a workaround using AVR pre-outs and grouping 2 ZP100s. I used an AVR for testing, just to see what PLIIx was like over a large outdoor area. Its pretty impressive, especially with the speakers installed above head height and firing down.

I bought the Sonos units as a temp solution till my distribution system was installed, but have fallen in love with it.

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Regarding Sonos... 100% agreed.... It was truely a life changing technology product for our household that's used almost always.

It gets a lot criticism regarding being expensive..... but only from people that haven't really used or lived with it.

Also agree about the plug and play ethernet bridging features.... Don't know how I lived without that. What you need IP connectivity here?? Hold on a sec let me go grab a zone bridge
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It's expensive until you realize what it does and how much other things cost that can replicate it!

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It's expensive until you realize what it does and how much other things cost that can replicate it!

CM - input has been sent!

Thanks for passing that on.

I have to say I was spec'ing and costing my distribution system at the time I bought the Sonos as a temp solution.The cost of even a very large Sonos system would actually just get lost in the background noise of a high end distribution system. I started with 4 zones and now have 13. Thats the max number I can re-use elsewhere, after distribution goes in, or I use even more. I can honestly say that Ive been hugely impressed by its capabilities and bombproof reliability ans ease of use. This is a rare product indeed.

I think its outstanding value.

Those audio ins are super cool.

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If it's not anything happening before CEDIA, you might be interested in what happens there. I know they have a video division (purely by slip of tongue), but it's like asking about Area 51. They have asked me if they should make AMX/Crestron compatible and I said 'why wouldn't you?' That would remove any limitations in a big system.

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They sound good! Clean, transparent, and about as much bass as I can reasonably expect in a 'room' w/infinite sq. footage. They can go pretty loud too w/o strain.

One thing though: the plastic cabinet has a thin skin (very un-armadillo like) that scuffs off easily. My pair came w/a few such marks on them and I may return for replacement.

Loud..for what. a 50'*100' backyard...I will stick with My Community Speaker's and QSC amp's....

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Loud..for what. a 50'*100' backyard...I will stick with My Community Speaker's and QSC amp's....

Hey, Jizzbone or whatever your name is, what was the point of that post. Thats a bit of a 'tude your bringing. They're loud enough for him, thats what matters. Dont just wander in here and try to house people for no good reason.


I actually looked at Community I/O8s, that are their comparable unit to the A8, prior to doing my test. They didnt even make the list due to the woeful bass response and overall SQ.

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Hey, Jizzbone or whatever your name is, what was the point of that post. They're loud enough for him, thats what matters.


I actually looked at Community I/O8s, that are their comparable unit to the A8, prior to doing my test. They didnt even make the list due to the woeful bass response and overall SQ.

Jizzbone...yeah thats cute,, No I was thinking of big boy speakers,like the wet line that I own..Community makes very nice Professional Speakers for the commercial market..that far exceed the over priced residential market.

As far as the I O/8's and IO/8T's unless you heard them than you can not form an opinion about them. Community Speaker's are always underated for the spec's of Residential compared to the Commercial market.

Almost like what Bose does but better...

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When you want to blast music into the next pasture, voltage and wattage count. Plus the the cows like music..
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I'm with you Yb.

Although I would say overall that Community is more known for their sheer volume and sensitivity rather than their musicality.

Give me some JBL, EV or the EAWs in my own HT system over Community any day..

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Jizzbone...yeah thats cute,, No I was thinking of big boy speakers,like the wet line that I own..Community makes very nice Professional Speakers for the commercial market..that far exceed the over priced residential market.

As far as the I O/8's and IO/8T's unless you heard them than you can not form an opinion about them. Community Speaker's are always underated for the spec's of Residential compared to the Commercial market.

Almost like what Bose does but better...

I did test the I/O8s, thats what I meant when I said I "looked at them".They are a long way short of the A8s. I specifically mentioned the overall SQ.

Regarding their speakers that far exceed residential units...........I think that the Genelec system I installed last year would very clearly say otherwise. The same would hold true of Dynaudio and many others

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When you want to blast music into the next pasture, voltage and wattage count. Plus the the cows like music..

Jizzbone, what are we supposed to be looking at in that photo, other than a small patch of grass? Have I missed something?

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No, pasture's are fenced in, it's the fenced area beyond..I took this picture at the end of April and we will be moving over to this farm in about 2-weeks..Mortgage companies around here have been real tough on what they want to lend and farming is on the lower 10%...

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No, pasture's are fenced in, it's the fenced area beyond..I took this picture at the end of April and we will be moving over to this farm in about 2-weeks..Mortgage companies around here have been real tough on what they want to lend and farming is on the lower 10%...

Cool. I hope it all works out well for you. Tough life being a farmer. I have an uncle who farms Buffalo.

PS Jizzbone was just too good an opportunity to miss. You just cant beat a good cheap shot

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I don't have any interest in blasting music into the next pasture.
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Just thought I'd throw that in there.
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I don't have any interest in blasting music into the next pasture.

What if you're pretty hot on the banjo, and you want your cousin Cleetus to hear your rendition of "Dueling Banjos". How will you achieve that if he's in the next field laying some pipe on the neighbors pigs.

You gunna need some purty big PA Bubba..................You look mighty cute in them jeans......aaarrrrrggggggggggg

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All I gotta do is say the *word* banjo and old Cleetus comes a-runnin'. So, even in that case, I wouldn't have a need to blast music into the next pasture.
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His sister, on the other hand, Cleetora....
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That's a slight exaggeration. Never is a long time.
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Lol

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I just got my pair of what were supposed to be A8s today...they sent me the A8Ts instead (btw, these speakers are freakin huge!). What is the difference? I never could figure it out on the website. Can I use these with a zp100 as the amp? Very confused.

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This is from their brochure...

A2, A6 and A8 models are designed for use with 8-ohm systems;
A2T, A6T and A8T models are available with a multi-tap transformer for 70V systems.

Here is a diagram showing 70V system configuration versus 8-ohm.

http://www.bogen.com/products/pdfs/nearpdfs/A2m.pdf
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Here is the 70V amplifier series that goes with the 70V system.

http://www.bogen.com/products/pdfs/p...pdfs/X300s.pdf
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