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Just came back from Stewart Filmscreen in Torrance where Meridian demonstrated they are truly a classy company with such a gracious event. In a word: Mind-blowing. I could not conceive of asking for ANYTHING better in a picture. It was on a 14 foot wide Studiotek 130 non perf. Enormous picture. ISCOIII lens. The image was just staggering. I could not have asked for better contrast, nor more accurate colors or image depth. This is the best image one could hope for. The PJ could have cranked out even more brightness had they wanted more then 16 ft lamberts. POC3 was just as real as you could imagine. It is just beyond words. What a dream machine. I beg anyone who sees the presentation to explain how a better image can be achieved. I don't really care about specifications, i would want a person to describe what they saw on the screen and point out how a picture can be improved upon. Barring transfer artifacts.
I don't know what to do now :-(
Should maybe have avoided seeing it since i am planning my theatre. I have owned the JVC RS1, seen the Meridian MF10, MF1 just this morning and after seeing the demo, I have lost interest in anything but.
But I'll conclude by saying if we can get this technology to the consumer under $ 50k, we are in for such a treat. This was one of those epic AV experiences. My first was seeing Joe Kane's 720p demo in Los Angeles using Runco 9" crt and Snell & Wilcox interpolator. This is my 2nd yet pinnacle experience. And I should say that listening to a Burmester Reference system on the same day didn't help my audio aspirations any.
Great job to Meridian who have the end all be all pice of video gear in my book.

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It's not 'if', it's when! <$10K is probably only 2, maybe 3 years away. Gotta keep the high-enders buying.

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You are correct, but I meant I want it NOW for under $ 50k. What a trip....

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Any projector that can make POC3 worth watching is a steal at $150K!

Seriously, though, will this level of performance really trickle down to sub $10K projectors - if so, I now have an upgrade path form my VW200.

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Thanks very much for your impressions ! Sounds like a winner. I assume there will be lines at CEDIA for this one.

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I want the 8K version :666:
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JVC and Barco are selling this machine for less.
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Art. there should be several 4k projectors at Cedia. Its not like each one will be very different from another, there is a lot more commonality between projectors than most people imagine. i am betteng on seing such machines from Sony,JVC,Sim2,Meridian and maybe more. you think may meridian is building these from the ground upor maybe modifying somewhat someone elses machine? BTW The lenses on these machines wil never cost less than 410,000 or so. we willNEVER see a $4K machine for anywhere near $10K. Consumer is set at 720p, 1080i,and 1080p. $4k will be for the big boys only. hellmost people wouldn't have roomfor a 14ft wide 2.35 screen anyway. We will see prices get below $100K.

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Is this a tuned RS2 with 4K panels and more lumen?
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Look for a Hafler mod kit to covert your RS2 intothis machine. You will have to be able to solder. Its a tuned JVC I think. Didn't JVC show something like this in their big theater at CEDIA? the problem then was sources. No scaler existed to diive the panels. I think a scaler is ready now.

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I think Mayer original posted this picture of the JVC 4k

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Sexy. But Hafler will have a sexy case for your mod too. Four month wait if you want a Ferrari color though.

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Mark,
I understand ,Meridian has value added but what remains to be seen. I'm sure Sony will have a 4K there, we know that ,and for much less money.

Of course ,the Meridain is a JVC 4K unit.

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we willNEVER see a $4K machine for anywhere near $10K. Consumer is set at 720p, 1080i,and 1080p. $4k will be for the big boys only. hellmost people wouldn't have roomfor a 14ft wide 2.35 screen anyway. We will see prices get below $100K.

Poppycock. This ignores everything we've ever experienced when it comes to electronics. I'll bet money we see the <$10K 4K consumer machines announced by end of 2010, but probably sooner. It wasn't that long ago people were saying we'd NEVER see an affordable 1080p DLP. CE analysts said there'd NEVER be an HDTV below $1000, nearly 20 years ago, back when $1000 was a ridiculous amount of money for a TV. There were plenty of people that said we'd never get past a few GB for hard drives, nor anywhere close to current computer speeds. It's not if they'll be sub $10K, it's when. In 5-6 years, they'll be in the $3K-$5K range or less.

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I think if you triple Meridians pricing for an OEM product, in actuallity a $50K price tag would be about right by any other modest manufacturer...


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As soon as they ( commercial market ) get 6 or 8k expect a price drop in 4k. 2k will then get the leper treatment as 720 does now.
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Poppycock. This ignores everything we've ever experienced when it comes to electronics. I'll bet money we see the <$10K 4K consumer machines announced by end of 2010, but probably sooner. It wasn't that long ago people were saying we'd NEVER see an affordable 1080p DLP. CE analysts said there'd NEVER be an HDTV below $1000, nearly 20 years ago, back when $1000 was a ridiculous amount of money for a TV. There were plenty of people that said we'd never get past a few GB for hard drives, nor anywhere close to current computer speeds. It's not if they'll be sub $10K, it's when. In 5-6 years, they'll be in the $3K-$5K range or less.

Ten years ago when I asked the Mercedes dealer when I would have a flying car he said never, I just laughed in his face.. shows what he knows.

Seriously though, I bet it will be in a couple of years. If we see any around fifty announced this year we will see $10,000 units

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JVC makes the base projector which I believe they sell for around $ 130,000.00 However, the problem is lack of supporting scaler. JVC does not sell one and afaik, there are no viable options short of a computer, even then I don't know if they will work. But Meridian do 4 days of calibrating on this unit, which involves more then just tweaking. It is similar to 3 chip units, but instead of 1 chip per color, this uses 4 X 1080p chips per color. The 4 chips are blended to make one, so it uses 12 X 1080p chips. JVC manages to get 8 megapixels since they use the sweetspot. Meridian manages to get the entire area to the same criteria as the sweetspot, so they gain additional resolution. Also, William Phelps does his full magic on this unit.
Again; killer resolution, immense brightness, spot on colors, fantastic shadow detail, black blacks. I can immagine some people might say they don't have RS2 blacks or G90 blacks and they would be right. But while they are saying this, I'll be drooling infront of the screen. Cleanup on aisle 2.

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Thanks very much for your impressions ! Sounds like a winner. I assume there will be lines at CEDIA for this one.

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I thought of you Art after seeing this demo. I figured you managed to swing a PJ of your caliber once, you may start the cogs a turning on this one. Be warned and don't go towards the light...:-)

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It is going to be interesting how the Sony looks in comparison. The Meridian will obviously have a lot more light.

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12-chip? Okay, well that might set back my time table a bit for the cheap version. I thought it was a 3-chip PJ. Well, 2.35:1 4K+ for the home will still be a reality sooner than we might think.

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Nope these are the 4K chips, hence the pixel count that's higher that 4x 1080 D-ILA chips. 8K chip was announced last year, and has made it into a NHK demoprojector.
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I think the things we neede to see are high to mid APL contrast,panel alignment and uniformity which have been questionable at best with 4K devices.

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the jvc can scale 1920x1080 content up to 4k inside and thats easy
to realise.

since i have test a sony 4k pr. long long time ago i doubt that
the scaling from 2k to 4k makes the picture
"that better".
its not like sd tv scale to hd tv but i can see some small improvments.

when you will get perfect d 65 out of this jvc pr. you will end up in
the 3000 lumen range not more.
for screens till to 4m it will be nice but if you get used to 25 ftl or above
at a big screen
that can be a problem when the lamp after 300 hours will lose
at least 30% light.

the best about this pr. is the high 10000:1 on off cr. but i am sure
with a isco3 in the front max. ansi cr. wil be in the only good 200:1 range.
and that makes the biggest difference to a good 3 chip dlp that can
go up to 800:1 ansi cr.

and also need in to account that because of the not so good mtf function a lcos have
how much is more visible with true 4k content.

i think you cant see 4 times more with 4k with lcos compare to 2k dlp.
i guess you see "only" 2 times more.
but there is no 4k content beside some still pictures that you can do easy and
the way to feed such content is very difficult.
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forget to add.

the panel is "not" a 16:9 ratio so you will lose more light even with the isco3.
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the best about this pr. is the high 10000:1 on off cr. but i am sure
with a isco3 in the front max. ansi cr. wil be in the only good 200:1 range.
and that makes the biggest difference to a good 3 chip dlp that can
go up to 800:1 ansi cr..

Does the ISCO really decrease ANSI CR from potentially 10,000:1 to 200:1?

Is this what you are saying?

If so, we an need internal 2.35 lens..


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His post states 10k on/off and 200 ANSI.

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His post states 10k on/off and 200 ANSI.

Ah...I knew something was up with that... Thanks.


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