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Nice job Alan, fill us all in now http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1063257
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WOW!!!!!

Exciting but probably only LJG can afford it!!!

Cineramax, take a back seat to Alan Gouger who now takes front row center for the very best home cinema experience!!!@@@

"Doug Winsor" used to troll at some AV Forums as "Steve Bruzonsky"! My home theater at:
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This could be the single most improvement to each and every projector, the available content has always been the weakest link.

No, even you Steve can afford it, just go a few days without any snake oil tweaks
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Well done Alan. You certainly deserve the credit.

This looks like an amazing option with fantastic possibilities.

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Where is the website damnit!!!!

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oh wait, maybe I'm already on it.
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I searched and seached but i couldn't find it last night. The former Kodak CTO doesn't even seem to have a linkedin profile. The only result google came up with was the announcement posted here at avsforum. Guess this must be the start of a whispercampaign,
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O yea baby !


Thanks guys. Were all enthusiast here so Im just as excited about the project and glad to be part of the team. Its been a long time coming, most of all for those of us who care about video quality its a breath of fresh air knowing there are options avail beyond consumer watered down HD. Sim2 has licensed and partnered with EE, they should be displaying something interesting as well. Go Sim2!
A little detail. Both EE and Sim will display projectors in 1080p format meeting DCI color and gamma displaying content from EEs server. Anyone can purchase the server and order content as it works with any display with HDCP. For those who want the best you can max the experience if using a projector that meets DCI color. They also have on display a 70 terabyte server. The worlds very first. A one box solution that can stream multiple HD programs at once to different paths. Lots of good things to come from EE. Should be a fun ride.

Im excited.
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What will the video format be besides 1080p resolution and DCI color/gamma. Can you say anything about
bitrate
color depth
rgb or component at x:y:z encoding

Did you see MrD suggesting you add closed loop calibration using 3D LUTs. Kodak evidently has sucha software that allows you to map into or out of one gamut to another.

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What will the video format be besides 1080p resolution and DCI color/gamma. Can you say anything about
bitrate
color depth
rgb or component at x:y:z encoding

Did you see MrD suggesting you add closed loop calibration using 3D LUTs. Kodak evidently has sucha software that allows you to map into or out of one gamut to another.

I think the release mentioned an initial 2x bit rate.

I believe it already does LUT to an output of rec709 if you are not DCI compliant.

I could be wrong, Alan may be able to confirm.

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O yea baby !


Thanks guys. Were all enthusiast here so Im just as excited about the project and glad to be part of the team. Its been a long time coming, most of all for those of us who care about video quality its a breath of fresh air knowing there are options avail beyond consumer watered down HD. Sim2 has licensed and partnered with EE, they should be displaying something interesting as well. Go Sim2!
A little detail. Both EE and Sim will display projectors in 1080p format meeting DCI color and gamma displaying content from EEs server. Anyone can purchase the server and order content as it works with any display with HDCP. For those who want the best you can max the experience if using a projector that meets DCI color. They also have on display a 70 terabyte server. The worlds very first. A one box solution that can stream multiple HD programs at once to different paths. Lots of good things to come from EE. Should be a fun ride.

Im excited.

Thanks Alan and congrats on the venture. I like your new picture too.

PS Anything on the audio codecs from this ?

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PS Anything on the audio codecs from this

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You're holding the fish I'll stay clear.

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Excuse me for being a bit slow here.

Alan has one beyond HD thing coming and will be in competition with SIM2 and its partner or are you all working together.

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the avsforum link in the first post doesn't seem valid... can someone correct it?
p.s. neither does the first link on Google search results for 'entertainment experience beyond hd' ... Alan, pls fix that link otherwise your search traffic is dead ending.

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Excuse me for being a bit slow here.

Alan has one beyond HD thing coming and will be in competition with SIM2 and its partner or are you all working together.

EE is Sim2's licensee and partner. The same people, they've all been working together.

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Link fixed

Mattias Sim2 has licensed the color/gamma software and is in a sense partnering with EE. There is room for this relationship to expand. Sim2 has always been interested in staying at the front of new technology being the first to bring the latest to the HT market. EE being a new company and Sim2 established as one of the elite projection manufactures, working together proved beneficial to both.
I will try to get to everyone questions later tonight.
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We can always rely on Alan, David and Co to take us to the next level. Congrats.
Can't wait to see the pics/stats.
Don't want to see the price.

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A DCI gamut and gamma is not difficult and has been available for some time, but what's new about this is the availability of DCI content. Exactly how will this be made available to consumers?

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Exciting news, congratulations Alan! Look forward to hearing more.
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Don't want to see the price.

Not bad at all. The server will cost more then a pack of battery's for your remote but cheaper then most mid priced projectors. More to come.

Content will be pre ordered via an ordering web page. The content will come keyed to your server.
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A DCI gamut and gamma is not difficult and has been available for some time, but what's new about this is the availability of DCI content. Exactly how will this be made available to consumers?

I believe, from the release, there is actually more to certain aspects of the color and gamma tables. Otherwise they would not be licensed. I think its the companies own IP.

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for those, like me, who have seen the DCI acronym mentioned on avs, but didn't know what it referred to, here is the spec for the Digital Cinema Initiative:
http://www.dcimovies.com/specification/index.tt2
You can also find an About page to learn about their reasons for working on the DCI.

Looks like JPEG2000 compression of 2K (2048x1080) and 4K (4096x1080) frames, with audio format supporting a whole mess of speakers ... do the good commercial theatres really have 5 speakers behind the screen??

If JPEG2000 is intra-frame compression only, i.e. each of the 24fps is compressed by itself in a lossless manner, and as such there is no interframe compression, that would mean way way more data than BluRay. If BR is like 10-20GB (??), what would one of these movies consume in terms of HDD at 4K?

I am interested, as the effective quality of JPEG2000 would have obviously be far better than VC1 or H.263 or whatever... BUT, for me to dive in, and I WOULD, the SIM2 can't be the projector of choice.... JVC RS20 Alan, and you can sign me up as a customer for sure.

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I don't think anything has been said about getting DCI content, or even about release dates relative to first run or even DVD/Blu-Ray release dates. I think people are jumping to conclusions a bit due to lack of details...lets give them a few days to clarify things.
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Cinetopia, thanks for the correction, I may have read too much into the "DCI color format" piece of the release.

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70 TB server Holy shite!!!!
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70 TB server Holy shite!!!!

Picture posted.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1063274
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70TB... the power consumption of this unit, the fan and hdd NOISE, must be setting a new record. Well I have the perfect place for it, but I am immediately reminded of the 1TB server I built that was stoa 8 years ago and now fits all in one drive... sorry, but I am just experiencing once again the thrill of technology depreciation on a whole bunch of things at once.

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"New Sim2 1080 C3X. It will have a new name. Model will include dynamic black. Brighter and twice the contrast of the previous model. May cost more well. Ships next year."



Very interesting. Will there be an upgrade path for existing C3X1080's?
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I don't think anything has been said about getting DCI content, or even about release dates relative to first run or even DVD/Blu-Ray release dates. I think people are jumping to conclusions a bit due to lack of details...lets give them a few days to clarify things.

You will see offerings running in file size double BD to full DCI. The source for all content will be from the master before NR or EE has been applied and you should see a noticeable visual improvement in picture quality. At first content will arrive no later then BD with the intent of moving forward with current negotiations for same day and date. More later
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Alan, I am impressed by the aggressive move in this space... my congrats on this initiative.

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