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Have you had the chance to take any measurements? What kind of lumens? on/off ? ANSI?
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Alan, so you are not going to just test it for a while and sell it?

I was going to call first dibs.

I think I am keeping this one for a while

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Thanks Alan. On what size screen are you running the Lumis ?


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8 feet wide on a negative gray screen. Its bright. This weekend Ill get some measurements. Curious how the light output compares to the HT5000.

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Hi Alan,

Whats your impression on the lumis as it compares to the standard 1080p C3X?

It has been a while so its tough to be accurate by memory but I am sure the Lumis has it beat.
A little test to judge black level for those with the 1080 C3X...display a letterbox movie without an anamorphic lens or if using a lens leave it in place and scale a 16x9 image in the center of your screen. Kill all lights, do you see the black bars top/bottom or pillar bars. The Lumis has none.

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Have you had the chance to take any measurements? What kind of lumens? on/off ? ANSI?

Unfortunately I will not have any time until this weekend. Time to drag out the ole laptop and camera
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seams this unit is a winner!

this unit have first a adaptive lamp that can switch form lower to higher light
out in ms.driven frame by frame very very fast!

than this unit have a adaptive iris not a round one more like a triangle
looking direct after the lamp.
this iris open and close after check every frame of the signal how much
brightness is inside and open and close very fast.

than this unit have a manual fix iris that have i guess 4 or 5 positions you can select that also change a bit the cr. but this one is more to adjust
the level of light out when you have a small screen.

that is all confirme by sim2.

alan i will be not surprised if you will measure arround 2000 lumens
max. light out at d65 during this weekend.

i will get a demo in my room in about one week.

btw: i still get no demo of the christie hd 10km and i wait till
september 2008
sad is that i cant use this sim2 lumis host pr. at my 7m screen as it not have enough light out but
for my holiday hause it sould be fine
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alan i will be not surprised if you will measure arround 2000 lumens
max. light out at d65 during this weekend.

Wolfgang, where are you pulling this number from? I thought maybe around 1400. If it does push out 2000, that could handle a 14ft screen.

I hope you are right, that would be serious power in such a tiny package.

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I hope you are right, that would be serious power in such a tiny package.


Yes it would since the HT 5000 hits about 1800 lumens.

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cm

they modify everything from the lamp to the optic and
this unit hava a adaptive iris so they can open it more
up than the fix iris in the 5000.

7-8 lumen/watt uhp is also very normaly with such spec. lamps
and the can dim and bost it.

also the sim2 lumis host "pdf brochure" say "till to 3000 lumen" but thats may a bit to much and more a marketing number.

same they claim till to 35000:1 cr.
i am sure this will not be the case but may close to 20000:1 in adaptiv iris function.

but lets see when alan not see any bars from a 2.35 format bd ................
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I just want to know how the contrast compares to the RS20 (which I was very impressed by).
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looks like massive advance done by SIM2
MSRP ?
lumens and ansi contrast nrs would be great
i have a C3X 2K here for a week, it's really something else than the popular lcos. the pop is amazing and it can without problem be bright on my 171" scope 1.0 mp screen.
(iris open, lamp 250w)
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I just want to know how the contrast compares to the RS20 (which I was very impressed by).

people have to realize, understand, DLP 3DLP give way more "pop", 3D feeling
than lcos.
the on off craziness is at the expense of a less "sexy" nr but way more important: ansi contrast.
on off is paramount if you see black bars in a non scope/lens configuration or fade to black scenes.
but most of the time you NEED big ansi contrast.

the colorimetry richness and accuracy of the 3DLP technology is also amazing
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Funny, I thought the RS20 gave way more pop then my Sim. Colors and depth of field were a delight. The detail that the contrast brought out in color gradients etc was very impressive. Yes, it didn't have high ANSI and that was the only fault my eyes could see (in the three hours I spent with it).

Now, of course, I want both high ansi and high on/off, so I'm hoping the new Sim2 delivers on that.
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some movies etc or even hd concert of course are so greatly filmed and encoded that even on a low ansi, high on off machine it looks great.
but the brilliance, the shininess (spelling?) of DLP-3DLP (the good ones like SIM2) is above. more 3D.
a fade to black or that scene in UNFORGIVEN where freeman eastwoo sit next to a fire by night requires massive on off native i agree.
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How is color saturation on the new Sim2 C3X Lumis?
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sim2 lumis host "pdf brochure" say "till to 3000 lumen" but thats may a bit to much and more a marketing number.

3000 is the ANSI lumen number, the HT5000 is 4000 and yields around 1800. The alpha path causes some light loss.

If it does hit 2000, that will be amazing.

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I just want to know how the contrast compares to the RS20 (which I was very impressed by).

i have the rs20 at the moment and will compare it with the lumis.
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He said the Lumis looked as good as the new HT5000.
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He said the Lumis looked as good as the new HT5000.

Thats impressive.

Its also a convenient way for you to get another sneaky slap at the 5k

Any word on the content?

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"same demo clip from cedia of a singstress, it looked great but hard to tell because of type of content."
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"same demo clip from cedia of a singstress, it looked great but hard to tell because of type of content."

Thanks Peter. I was hoping they maybe had a loop of varied content.

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i have the rs20 at the moment and will compare it with the lumis.

Thanks, I would very much appreciate that. I assume you're getting a Lumis soon?
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Funny, I thought the RS20 gave way more pop then my Sim. Colors and depth of field were a delight. The detail that the contrast brought out in color gradients etc was very impressive. Yes, it didn't have high ANSI and that was the only fault my eyes could see (in the three hours I spent with it).

Now, of course, I want both high ansi and high on/off, so I'm hoping the new Sim2 delivers on that.

Ian, The subject of the RS20 has been addressed, in the other thread, last time you raised it. The RS20 CR is higher than the Lumis. In all the other areas, as stated in the other thread, it lags behind.

Can we please keep this one OT and clear for actual Lumis info. Thanks.

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Thanks Peter. I was hoping they maybe had a loop of varied content.

They played different content each day. Jason has pictures Ill share here as soon as he passes them along.
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I owe an update with numbers but my lux meter is broken so I have to wait for Jason to return tomorrow so I can raid his calibration road case.

The optics are very good with this projector. An improvement over the 1080 C3X. I know convergence can be luck of the draw but I am perfect rt out to the corners with red being off less then 1/4 pixel on the far rt. Its so slight its hard to gage the error. No vissible chroma aberration. Viewing a cross hatch looks as good as my Marantz 11S2 which also has very good convergence

Once I get the numbers Ill post a thorough write up pictures.
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Alan, one of the members in the other thread reported from CES, that there may be a new convergence adjustment setting in the Lumis. Can you confirm?

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Thanks, I would very much appreciate that. I assume you're getting a Lumis soon?

read post number 33 at page 2.
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Alan, one of the members in the other thread reported from CES, that there may be a new convergence adjustment setting in the Lumis. Can you confirm?

Ill ck shortly.

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They played different content each day. Jason has pictures Ill share here as soon as he passes them along.

Content was displayed on the 5000 & cine curve. Not sure what we are looking at but the colors look nice.



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I took this without a tripod so its blurry but the software is there.
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Subjectively Alan, how is the light output ? Sounds like contrast is killer.


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Very cool convergence adjustment. Nice to know it is there if it is needed, but sounds like your unit is dead on. Thanks,

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Subjectively Alan, how is the light output ? Sounds like contrast is killer.


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I just swapped out the Grey material for matte white. I have everything on its lowest setting, its way to bright for my taste but I am getting use to it. This is meaningless of course, I hope to have measurements tomorrow.
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How is color saturation on the new Sim2 C3X Lumis?

The colors looked stunning. I'm in my room at Circus Circus. Just got back from the SIM suite. The C3X Lumis HOST has to be the best picture I've seen from a projector. We watched several minutes of Spiderman on Blu Ray with mixed light / dark scenes - the combination of bright obects and dark detail is pretty amazing. I want one !! The Elton John concert looked good too, but not nearly the test the Blu Ray movie was.

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