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This is very exciting, Alan! I'm looking forward to your detailed impressions. Can't wait to get mine!
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Craig:

You being a Projection Design guy did you get a peak at the Helios?
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You being a Projection Design guy did you get a peak at the Helios?

No, I didn't see them. It's a big show - maybe I can see more tomorrow before we leave.

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Unfortunately I will not have any measurements until tomorrow. Jason late today from CES.
Took a few quick pics showing bandwidth and optics performance. Just having some fun.

Disregard the tint from the camera. The image is so bright it is shutting down my camera and I am not sure what setting to use.

Here is a cap direct from Sony BD 1080p 24 through the Host via HDMI.

This is a good pattern to ck both horizontal and vertical resolution and bandwidth.
Some projector technologies have a hard time resolving any detail at #10.
I do not see any choking or filtering here via the host.


Showing overall convergence.

Left side.

Rt side off 1/4 pixel
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Outstanding!!!

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I just noticed for the first time the origin of the test pattern found on all Sony BD discs. Right here in my own backyard.
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Wow... Alan.. What would you guess the max lumens at?

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Wow... Alan.. What would you guess the max lumens at?

Jeff Ill have some numbers tomorrow, finally!
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Funny, I thought the RS20 gave way more pop then my Sim. Colors and depth of field were a delight. The detail that the contrast brought out in color gradients etc was very impressive. Yes, it didn't have high ANSI and that was the only fault my eyes could see (in the three hours I spent with it).

Now, of course, I want both high ansi and high on/off, so I'm hoping the new Sim2 delivers on that.

Seems odd that you would find more pop on the RS20, what size screens were you displaying each on, were they displayed both on the same screen with same material, and how many hours did they have on their respective bulbs?
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Seems odd that you would find more pop on the RS20, what size screens were you displaying each on, were they displayed both on the same screen with same material, and how many hours did they have on their respective bulbs?

Micheal, See post #50. Lets try to keep on topic here.

PLEASE dont take that the wrong way, its just that there is a lot of interest in this baby, and it would be nice to keep the thread clear for information.

The other thread has got comparisons listed.

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Jeff Ill have some numbers tomorrow, finally!

Those are some pretty impressive shots Alan. Thats up there at HT5k convergence levels.

I hope its typical. I know at least one other unit is similar. I've been told the chip alignment process has been improved.

I'll be taking a look during the week.

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I'll be taking a look during the week.

Your thumbs up or down carry some weight, hard core & unbiased.
I am sure everyone is looking forward to your findings.
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Wow... Alan.. What would you guess the max lumens at?

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised when it comes to the light output, your screen should be fine for it.

Convergence is excellent so far, but I can only speak for two units. That was also the case for the first shipment of the old C3X1080 however, which later on turned into a little nightmare and I've also seen a few HT5ks go back to the factory.

It looks like this is a winner, further closing the CR gap between DLP and LCoS/SXRD. I wonder if the old C3X1080 will be replaced by a E-version for those not needing the Host.

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I think you'll be pleasantly surprised when it comes to the light output, your screen should be fine for it.

Stephan, do you have a number?

I believe the initial idea was to restore it to the 1400 lumen of the old C3X rather than the 1100 lumen of the 1080.

It would seem, from a number of sources, that number has been exceeded.

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Looks extremely promising!
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Stephan, do you have a number?

No numbers, no. Only subjective impressions compared to the HT5k with a few hundred hours on the bulb.

Of course there are other things that may affect light output, such as throw distance and how much the lamp drops over time. I can't comment on those yet. But I'm not expecting it to be any different from the old C3X1080.

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Unfortunately I will not have any measurements until tomorrow. Jason late today from CES.
Took a few quick pics showing bandwidth and optics performance. Just having some fun.

Disregard the tint from the camera. The image is so bright it is shutting down my camera and I am not sure what setting to use.

Here is a cap direct from Sony BD 1080p 24 through the Host via HDMI.

This is a good pattern to ck both horizontal and vertical resolution and bandwidth.
Some projector technologies have a hard time resolving any detail at #10.
I do not see any choking or filtering here via the host.


Showing overall convergence.

Left side.

Rt side off 1/4 pixel

Wow Alan, that convergence is FANTASTIC for a 3 chipper. That bad boy has to be a light CANNON on even a negative 8ft screen. Wish I was there to see it!

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Unfortunately I will not have any measurements until tomorrow. Jason late today from CES.
Took a few quick pics showing bandwidth and optics performance. Just having some fun.

Alan,

Could you retake the last two pictures and shorten either the exposure time or use a higher f-ratio on your camera setting? The lines are overexposed so it is difficult to see any misalignment. You can try using a faster shutter speed until you can see the pixel structure in the lines. Thanks.
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Very nice review, cannot wait for the numbers and some more surprising pics.

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Among many others here I'm looking foward to the numbers. Of course ,things like overall performance, numbers won't give us so ,we are relying on you, Alan,to feed us.
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Your thumbs up or down carry some weight, hard core & unbiased.
I am sure everyone is looking forward to your findings.

High praise indeed, thank you for the kind words. Certain factions within AVS may have a rather different view.

I only hope I can live up to the billing.

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Alan,

Can you comment please on this Dynamic Iris implementation. Is there any visible pumping? It took Sony a while to figure this one out and since this is Sim2's first foray in this territory ...
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Can you comment please on this Dynamic Iris implementation. Is there any visible pumping? It took Sony a while to figure this one out and since this is Sim2's first foray in this territory ...

Zero vissible/audible detection. The system is extremely fast and adapts on a per field or frame basis. Unless you increase the lamp output causing the fans to increase the projector is very quiet.
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I saw no pumping either. In fact, I was told that the iris has a pear shaped opening and that it is moved extremely fast with a motor similar to that which powers a hard drive. And it works in conjunction with the lamp modulation.

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Of course ,things like overall performance, numbers won't give us so ,we are relying on you, Alan,to feed us.

Well, it looked as sharp as my dVision 1080p single chip. And on the mixed light / very dark scenes on the Spiderman Blu Ray we watched, the level of detail and 3D depth of the picture made me wet my pants. The SIM guys said it has ANSI contrast that measures into the 4 figures. I believe them.

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I saw no pumping either. In fact, I was told that the iris has a pear shaped opening and that it is moved extremely fast with a motor similar to that which powers a hard drive. And it works in conjunction with the lamp modulation.



Well, it looked as sharp as my dVision 1080p single chip. And on the mixed light / very dark scenes on the Spiderman Blu Ray we watched, the level of detail and 3D depth of the picture made me wet my pants. The SIM guys said it has ANSI contrast that measures into the 4 figures. I believe them.


Great to hear, ANSI contrast over 1000:1 ?

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I dont want to pre-empt my own write up but regarding the iris, and confirming what craig said.........Its a non symmetrical custom design and its supposedly using the fastest and quietest motor yet used in a PJ.

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Wow, all of this sounds really promising, looking forward to more info.
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Congratulations Alan, Enjoy!!!
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What does the non-symmetrical design bring to the table? Does it adapt shape somehow to let more light through on brighter areas of the image? Sorry for the dumb question, but I'm trying to wrap my head around the reasoning on that.

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Four digit ANSI contrast measurements , sounds juicy!

What is the length of the fiber optic cable that runs from the host to the PJ?

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