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Just wondered if anyone here has ever experienced these speakers up close.

At past CES shows the sound is unreal!

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Are you talking about the Chinese speakers that look like B&W ripoffs? or a different speaker?
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To me, they sound a little long in the neck, much like the related Giraffe speakers.



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Are you talking about the Chinese speakers that look like B&W ripoffs? or a different speaker?

Which line are you comparing? Meaning which swan speakers do you feel were copied from B & W?

Their top of the line ( Swan 2.3B )<<>> look nothing like anything I have seen.

To each his own though.......
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Most speakers are just 'ripoffs' of other speakers because there is little new in the world. I do believe the B&Ws must be a ripoff of Polk speakers because they had top mount tweeters before B&W did as I recall. In any case, it has always struck me as a bad design and seems to ensure that the tweeter is heard as a separate sound source, not that mmiles is necessarily talking about those models.

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Their top of the line ( Swan 2.3B )<<>> look nothing like anything I have seen.

To be fair, those look a helluva lot like the Genesis 1!



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Does HiVi also have a room in the high end area at CES? They are always displayed on the main floor.

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I was thinking the same thing, there are quite a few speakers out there that look alike. However, in most cases they sure do not sound alike.



Aren't you guys selling/ auctioning a pair of them Swan on Agon!?!
Well they might not be the same model as the pic on the above post but they are pretty cool looking, but it's hard to escape the thought these speakers are some clone of something else...

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Are you talking about the Chinese speakers that look like B&W ripoffs? or a different speaker?

Sorry but if they're made in China they can keep the damn things.

Too much junk and inferior products being produced over there.
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Yes, but a lot of good stuff too, for better or worse.

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Sorry but if they're made in China they can keep the damn things.
Too much junk and inferior products being produced over there.

Swans were made in Canada while Frank Hale owned them. Frank Hale still designs for Swan / HiVi.

Junk, I think not. Anytime you want to drop by, please do so. I think you would retract this statement.

( To each his own though )
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Swans were made in Canada while Frank Hale owned them. Frank Hale still designs for Swan / HiVi.

Junk, I think not. Anytime you want to drop by, please do so. I think you would retract this statement.

( To each his own though )

They "were" made in Canada. Where are they made now?

There ain't no way I would spend $10,000 plus dollars on speakers made in China.

No Way. No How.

They can't even make safe 59 cents a can dog food or safely paint toys on a consistent basis.

If they're made in China it isn't because of the quality, it's because of the bottom line. Period.
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They "were" made in Canada. Where are they made now?

There ain't no way I would spend $10,000 plus dollars on speakers made in China.

No Way. No How.

They can't even make safe 59 cents a can dog food or safely paint toys on a consistent basis.

If they're made in China it isn't because of the quality, it's because of the bottom line. Period.

Well, your anti-China bias is clear, but that doesn't mean that Chinese built speakers are low quality. Unfortunately, most of the best speakers I've heard in the last 5 years are built entirely or mainly in China. That's just the reality for now. Hopefully, it will change, as it did with Japan.

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Well, your anti-China bias is clear, but that doesn't mean that Chinese built speakers are low quality.


Well by all means buy them and enjoy!

When the tweeter comes flying out of the cabinet and smacks your cat dead, don't say I didn't try to warn you.
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They "were" made in Canada. Where are they made now?

There ain't no way I would spend $10,000 plus dollars on speakers made in China.

No Way. No How.

They can't even make safe 59 cents a can dog food or safely paint toys on a consistent basis.

If they're made in China it isn't because of the quality, it's because of the bottom line. Period.

When you buy a PC or a piece or audio or video gear, do you first check to see whether any of the chips inside were made in China? "Made in China" may indeed mean "made with lower labor costs" but that does not automatically mean that every product made there isn't worth buying, imo.
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When the tweeter comes flying out of the cabinet and smacks your cat dead, don't say I didn't try to warn you.

I already have a dog that takes care of any transient cats

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When you buy a PC or a piece or audio or video gear, do you first check to see whether any of the chips inside were made in China? "Made in China" may indeed mean "made with lower labor costs" but that does not automatically mean that every product made there isn't worth buying, imo.

My guess is if we walked through his house, more than half of what he owns is either partially or completely made in China, from the motherboard in his TV to his underwear.... he just doesn't know it
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My guess is if we walked through his house, more than half of what he owns is either partially or completely made in China, from the motherboard in his TV to his underwear.... he just doesn't know it

I understand the complexity of the issue.

My point is, as stated before, companies are not having things produced in China because of their world renowned quality.

It's because of the cheap production costs. Period. Cheaper production costs most of the time = inferior products, like the cheap ass motherboard in my TV and my cheap ass underwear that someone in Alabama used to make and feed her family with that income that now goes to someone in China making $10 a week.

Sorry, not down on Chinese people, I'm down on this country for letting our manufacturing get shipped over there only for them to ship back crap most of the time.

Sorry if you think I am wrong, it's just my opinion and the opinion of a lot of people I come in contact with.
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Also - I apologize for the way this thread has drifted.

It's my fault and I should have left my feelings at the keyboard.

Times are tough.
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I understand the complexity of the issue.

My point is, as stated before, companies are not having things produced in China because of their world renowned quality.

It's because of the cheap production costs. Period. Cheaper production costs most of the time = inferior products, like the cheap ass motherboard in my TV and my cheap ass underwear that someone in Alabama used to make and feed her family with that income that now goes to someone in China making $10 a week.

Sorry, not down on Chinese people, I'm down on this country for letting our manufacturing get shipped over there only for them to ship back crap most of the time.

Sorry if you think I am wrong, it's just my opinion and the opinion of a lot of people I come in contact with.

I understand the point you're trying to make. However, you are sadly misguided.

The quality of the products partially or wholly manufactured in China and shipped worldwide are ENTIRELY under the control of those same manufacturers. In other words, if you've encountered crap products from China, its because said manufactures chose it to be crap (for whatever reasons, costs or segmentation etc), not because it was manufactured in China. You are just as likely to encounter crap products from anywhere in the world if they're from crap manufacturers.

There are plenty of products of very high quality that are manufactured in China under strict quality control that meets and exceeds your expectation, you're just unaware of the fact that they're made in China.
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Many well known speakers offshore production or parts to China.

Hey I like American as much as anybody but when it comes down to it most everything has something inside it that is not "American" and mostly from China (or other Asian country) and Mexico...

Like the auto biz its tough to have $70+/hour employees (with benifits) make products to sell to $20/hour buyers.

BACK TO SWAN SPEAKERS.

The Swan 2.3s kinda had a look of Sonus Faber in a way too. All I can say the sound is pretty cool. Now seeing them on Audiogon for 60% off MSRP ( CP's listing is for MSRP) is concerning for those considering picking up the line.

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Greetings:
My wife gave me the approval to upgrade our old system. Unfortunately with the down turn in the economy, several retailers are no longer in business to audition speakers. The only option we have is Magnolia at the local Worst-Buy. Size wise, we're looking at the Mozart Grand for our 12 x 17 room. Sound is the best I've heard in my limited area. I also have access to a Swan 4.2 or 5.2 (can't recall) through friend of a friend. Has anyone had a chance to compare the Vienna Acoustics with the Swans? This will be primarily for music. If there are other suggestions in the Swan line (or other brands) please bring it up. My room size looks most compatible with the 4.2 due to excess furniture and my wife refuses speakers with stands.

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They look pretty nice too, a welcome change from the straight up boring box style speakers imo.

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Sorry, not down on Chinese people, I'm down on this country for letting our manufacturing get shipped over there only for them to ship back crap most of the time.

Amen, Brother! I sure hope our new administration takes a long look at this and the other fallout from a lopsided WTO/NAFTA. We export jobs and raw material much more than the goods and products. More mortgage the future for the present.

The last US based TV manufacturing facility is closed and replaced with another Walmart. The folks that were making a living wage manufacturing goods, will get a part-time, min wage job moving all those imported boxes at the Walmart. Maybe. ?

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