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Let us know what you think after it's calibrated !! smile.gif

Had the Superlumis calibrated yesterday. First it is worth to mention that my calibrator has never seen a projector that measures so good out of the box. It is incredible accurate. Actually my calibrator started to laugh and said something like "This is unbelievable. We start off where other finish..." This is what was done:

1. Calibration of 2D in Superlumis. When we looked at the curves in CalMAN software and greyscale, the curves for red, blu and green were very close all the way. The Gamma had a little to high values in top, but that and everything else was adjusted and finetunde easily with SIM2´s Live Color Calibration software. On a 124" dark dnp Supernova 0.8 gain screen we measured 17 foot lamberts after calibration with the lowest lamp setting, quite impressive really.

2. Calibration of 3D in Superlumis. Really a piece of cake with the LCC software because it has a mode for automatically using the results from the 2D calibration and then applies the color shift for the glasses. But still we mounted a set of 3D glasses in front of the probe to make the final minor adjustments. One nice thing with all of the SIM2 projectors is that 3D calibration is stored separately in projector and automatically applied when the projector sees a 3D signal.

3. Finally, and which I find to be the most impressive part, is applying 3D LUT for the eeColor CMS processor. For those who don´t know what 3D LUT is it has nothing to do with 3D film. It is a way of calibrating colors with different luminance from the outer edges of the color spectrum towards white in the center. In theory you can calibrate up to 65x65x65 points with this box. I know Lumagen also has this with 9x9x9 but I find eeColor to give a clearly better result. The only downside with eeColor is that it doesn´t handle 3D Blu-rays so for 3D I run directly from another Blu-ray player directly into the second HDMI input of the Superlumis. I have tested 3D LUT with Lumagen for 3D signals, but it takes away too much light, so for 3D I prefer without 3D LUT to have the extra light output.

The results in 2D with eeColor is absolutely amazing, and increases the overall depth and detail level very much. This product is highly recommended and is not so expensive either. I think it is a must for all high-end projector setups.

When testing 3D it is really impressive. Also the 3D-S was so here the difference is mostly more light, but I also felt it was even more 3 dimensional and natural with the Superlumis. I guess that also has to do with the extra contrast.

So after all, the picture quality is extremely good and as good as it gets is how I feel about it.
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So after all, the picture quality is extremely good and as good as it gets is how I feel about it.

Congratulations! Time to watch some movies !!

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Speaking of bright I put my new lamp in yesterday morning !! cool.gif

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Anyone here ever decided to move across to a JVC or a 4K Sony?>

What were the reasons for?

Was it worth the move and are you happy?

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I didn't really move from my Lumis to a JVC, but I had an RS4910 and an RS57 to test, and demo in my theater for AVS forum members. I still like the look of 3 chip DLP - motion handling included - better on my Lumis. And while the JVC's were plenty bright to begin with, I would have to change lamps more often - the Lumis is brighter. I like bright!

That said, I must admit that the new JVC's looked awfully good ! And they will fill my 118" wide screen from 14' away, and then zoom down to my 106" wide 16:9 screen with zoom memory!!

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I didn't really move from my Lumis to a JVC, but I had an RS4910 and an RS57 to test, and demo in my theater for AVS forum members. I still like the look of 3 chip DLP - motion handling included - better on my Lumis. And while the JVC's were plenty bright to begin with, I would have to change lamps more often - the Lumis is brighter. I like bright!

That said, I must admit that the new JVC's looked awfully good ! And they will fill my 118" wide screen from 14' away, and then zoom down to my 106" wide 16:9 screen with zoom memory!!

Do you think an X900 would look better than the Lumis Host?

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Do you think an X900 would look better than the Lumis Host?

I don't think so, on my screen. But that's just my opinion, and my tastes in projectors. You really need to factor in everything - size screen, etc. And since you are talking about a Lumis Host, which isn't made anymore, you are talking about getting a used projector. You may be able to find one around the same price as a new JVC X900. Then you need to factor in no warranty on a used Lumis vs a 5 year warranty ( on a RS6710 ) for a new JVC. It's never really as simple as " which one has the best picture ".

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I don't think so, on my screen. But that's just my opinion, and my tastes in projectors. You really need to factor in everything - size screen, etc. And since you are talking about a Lumis Host, which isn't made anymore, you are talking about getting a used projector. You may be able to find one around the same price as a new JVC X900. Then you need to factor in no warranty on a used Lumis vs a 5 year warranty ( on a RS6710 ) for a new JVC. It's never really as simple as " which one has the best picture ".

Craig if you could only have one of these three projectors for your HT, which one would you choose and why?

Lumis Host, X900, VW500/600?

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I decided to keep my Lumis after seeing the VW600 because I didn't feel switching projectors was going to be an upgrade. I can buy any projector at cost. I'll stick with my Lumis for now, thanks.

Buying new - today - at normal street prices, the VW600 would be hard to beat. Money no object I'd get a Super Lumis. The X900 would be third. I like a bright projector - projectors are never bright enough - at least not for long. I still prefer the mothion handling / look of DLP. And the Lumis / Super Lumis has a contrast ratio ( with the dynamic black on ) that I find more than good enough. If I had a smaller screen - 100" diagonal, than the X900 might work. I'm just a DLP guy still - hoping for a 4K or 8K DLP wonder projector to arrive ( at a price I can afford ) before my Lumis wears out !! smile.gif

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I haven´t seen all Lumis models but the later models. I find these to excel and be quite a lot better than the Sonys and JVCs, also the top models from these. Even if they boast about 4K, contrast etc they just don´t have the same picture quality as the Lumis line. The Lumis is more natural to look at, has a less digital looking picture, better motion handling and better color reproduction. The Lumis are for those willing to pay more to have the absolute best.

Also the Lumis line, especially the Superlumis is the best 3D projector by far..! Of course the light output contribute to this, but not only. The triple flash technology is SOTA for 3D. Personally I find 3d on all other projectors I have seen to be a nightmare in comparison, with the Lumis models with triple flash it is pure joy to watch 3d!
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I decided to keep my Lumis after seeing the VW600 because I didn't feel switching projectors was going to be an upgrade. I can buy any projector at cost. I'll stick with my Lumis for now, thanks.

Buying new - today - at normal street prices, the VW600 would be hard to beat. Money no object I'd get a Super Lumis. The X900 would be third. I like a bright projector - projectors are never bright enough - at least not for long. I still prefer the mothion handling / look of DLP. And the Lumis / Super Lumis has a contrast ratio ( with the dynamic black on ) that I find more than good enough. If I had a smaller screen - 100" diagonal, than the X900 might work. I'm just a DLP guy still - hoping for a 4K or 8K DLP wonder projector to arrive ( at a price I can afford ) before my Lumis wears out !! smile.gif

Craig, Do you think the Super Lumis is still the best 3chip DLP out there for the price?

Is the Host model for 2D just as good as the newer Lumis?

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Craig, Do you think the Super Lumis is still the best 3chip DLP out there for the price?

To be honest with you, when it comes to projectors and fine wine, I don't tend to think this way. I can either afford it, and feel comfortable spending that amount of money, or not. I think the Lumis ( especially the current Super Lumis ) throws one of the best pictures I've seen.

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Is the Host model for 2D just as good as the newer Lumis?

No, I think there have been improvements over the last 5 years that make the Super Lumis superior. It's only the fact that I'm married ( and my wife would like to retire someday soon ) that have kept me from upgrading from my current Host model. smile.gif

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I'm a little late to the game, but I just purchased what seems to be a gently used Sim2 Lumis Host. I hope to have it early this coming week.

I was told by another member to avoid this particular seller, but so far he seems nice, knowledgeable, professional and legitimate.

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Wow, I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts on your new Lumis, Seegs!

(What am I even doing in this thread?)

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Wow, I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts on your new Lumis, Seegs!

(What am I even doing in this thread?)

Yeah, it feels a little strange for me to be in this forum as well, but I'm very excited about the Lumis. Should have it Tuesday or Wednesday.

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I'm a little late to the game, but I just purchased what seems to be a gently used Sim2 Lumis Host. I hope to have it early this coming week.

I was told by another member to avoid this particular seller, but so far he seems nice, knowledgeable, professional and legitimate.

Cool. Let me know if you need any new lamps !

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Yeah, it feels a little strange for me to be in this forum as well, but I'm very excited about the Lumis. Should have it Tuesday or Wednesday.

What lens does it have?

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Craig, it comes with the T2 lens. This is Cal87's old unit. He's since moved up to the Lumis 3D-S.

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I have a suspicion that the current crop of high end 1080p projectors will depreciate quickly as 4K projectors become more common. The fact that there isn't much content at the moment won't impact perception. What's a 3 chip dlp 720p high end projector worth these days? Not much. Something that cost $30,000 eight or ten years ago might sell for a few thousand today -- maybe. Whether or not 4K is worthy of all the hype really isn't the issue since it will be the de facto standard for the next few years and everything that came before it will take a precipitous dive in value. Just my opinion but I've seen it happen too many times to ignore the consequences -- now is probably a good time to unload 1080p machines while they still have some value or keep them for many more years and actually get "your moneys worth".
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I think context is key. Most don't have the context to understand that this unit in particular is fantastic. I think you're right in saying that the perception of 1080p being inferior to 4K will prevail, which is unfortunate. Why people just assume 4K will be better than 1080p, without taking into consideration all the others factors that make a projector "good", is beyond me. Take a look at the Seiki 4K flat panels, so far it seems most people realize that most high end 1080p units will look amazing in comparison to the Seiki 4K panel. I just hope they realize the same thing about cheap 4K projectors as they come out in the next few years. I also think that the 1080p -> 4K upgrade will be a lot harder to swallow for most people because it's going to be quite difficult to see a clear and distinct difference in PQ at smaller (sub 80") screen sizes, especially at a "normal" viewing distance that most flat panel watchers sit at (8+ feet away). For most flat panel owners 80" is already past the perceived size of a regular television they want in their home. There are, of course, enthusiasts who will buy larger panels but they will be few and far between, kind of like projector owners.

But I still have my reservations as to whether or not the 1000ES looks better than the Lumis regarding overall PQ. With that said, you can only go downhill in PQ from the Sony 1000ES. That will most likely be the highest end LCoS unit were going to see. We have JVC's 4K unit to look forward to, but at the drastically lower price point it'll probably come in at, we can't really expect high lens quality, high ANSI contrast, high end processing or PQ with the finesse either the 1000ES or this Lumis has. So while you may think the public may view this unit as "old" or "not worth it" I think you'll be surprised at how well the Lumis will retain it's value. I've watched quite a few Sim2 C3X 3-chip 720p units sell for around $4000 and they sold this year (2014). Now, I didn't get this Lumis for anywhere near that price, but I suspect it will hold it's value longer than 720p units did when 1080p came. Unless you have an enormous screen AND 4K content there's really not a large noticeable difference in resolution when stepping up to a 4K unit. Plus, as many others have pointed out in other threads, native chip resolution isn't the whole picture. So many other things come into play. I think the higher native contrast (for DLP), which is on par with the 600ES (both around 6000:1), far higher ANSI contrast, around 1000:1 (600ES is ~450:1), higher end lens, and the other benefits DLP has over LCoS, such as higher motion resolution, will give someone a better 2D image over the 600ES. I've demo'ed a 600ES at my local dealer and found that I liked the image from my JVC DLA-X500 more and it was only 1080p. The Lumis will look even better. I also found the dynamic iris on the 600ES to not be quite as smooth as the HW50ES I got a chance to play with. I've also had another member who has seen tons of units say the same thing. That same member told me his time with the 1000ES showed him that it had a better DI implementation than the 600ES. I think it's trying to overcompensate a little too much for the difference in contrast it has with the 1000ES. It's a little too aggressive. With that said, I've only ever heard great things about the DI on the Lumis. It appears it does need to be cycled on and off every once in a while though, but hopefully a later firmware fixed that issue.

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I have a suspicion that the current crop of high end 1080p projectors will depreciate quickly as 4K projectors become more common. The fact that there isn't much content at the moment won't impact perception. What's a 3 chip dlp 720p high end projector worth these days? Not much. Something that cost $30,000 eight or ten years ago might sell for a few thousand today -- maybe. Whether or not 4K is worthy of all the hype really isn't the issue since it will be the de facto standard for the next few years and everything that came before it will take a precipitous dive in value. Just my opinion but I've seen it happen too many times to ignore the consequences -- now is probably a good time to unload 1080p machines while they still have some value or keep them for many more years and actually get "your moneys worth".

I'm keeping mine for now. I should have a VW600 to compare my Lumis to shortly. Since my crystal ball says that it will be 4 or 5 years until 4K really takes off, I will have gotten 10 years out of my Lumis by then ( I'm at almost 5 1/2 years now ). Like my cars and trucks, I might as well run my projectors into the ground, and get every last hour of use out of them, and every last dollar's worth.

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Craig, do you know what the latest firmware is for the Lumis Host? Can it be installed via USB or does it need to be done via RS-232?

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I do not. I nearly bricked my Lumis once trying to update the software. That's when I decided " if it ain't broke, don't fix it " !

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It may be a few weeks until I could try to upgrade it anyways (if indeed it's out of date). Tom Huffman of ChromaPure is currently borrowing my USB to RS-232 cable.
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It's only " out of date " if it won't work for some reason without an update. Mine hasn't been updated in 2 or 3 years. And it works perfectly fine !

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I still have my reservations as to whether or not the 1000ES looks better regarding PQ. With that said, you can only go downhill in PQ from the Sony 1000ES regarding PQ from an LCoS unit. We have JVC's 4K unit to look forward to, but at the drastically lower price point it'll probably come in at, we can't really expect high lens quality, high ANSI contrast, high end processing or PQ with the finesse either the 1000ES or this Lumis has. So while you may think the public may view this unit as "old" or "not worth it" I think you'll be surprised at how well these retain their value. I've watched quite a few Sim2 C3X 3-chip 720p units sell for around $4000 and they sold this year (2014). Now, I didn't get this Lumis for anywhere near that price, but I suspect it will hold it's value longer than 720p units did when 1080p came. Unless you have an enormous screen AND 4K content there's really not a hugely noticeable difference in resolution when stepping up to a 4K unit. Plus, as many others have pointed out in other threads, native chip resolution isn't the whole picture. So many other things come into play. I think the higher native contrast (for DLP), which is on par with the 600ES (both around 6000:1), far higher ANSI contrast, around 1000:1 (600ES is ~450:1), higher end lens, and the other benfits DLP has over LCoS, such as higher motion resolution, will give someone a better 2D image over the 600ES. I've demo'ed a 600ES at my local dealer and found that I liked the image from my JVC DLA-X500 more and it was only 1080p. The Lumis will look even better. I also found the dynamic iris on the 600ES to not be quite as smooth as the HW50ES I got a chance to play with. I've also had another member who has seen tons of units say the same thing. That same member told me his time with the 1000ES showed him that it had a better DI implementation than the 600ES. I think it's trying to overcompensate a little too much for the difference in contrast it has with the 1000ES. With that said, I've only ever heard great things about the DI on the Lumis. It appears it does need to be cycled on and off every once in a while though, but hopefully a later firmware fixed that issue.

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I read through the thread and made that post a bookmark in case I need to do that trick. The only downside to it is having to put the bulb through so many consecutive power cycles.

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I read through the thread and made that post a bookmark in case I need to do that trick. The only downside to it is having to put the bulb through so many consecutive power cycles.
You don't have to cycle it all at once - at least I don't think you do. Don't remember the exact sequence, but when you are done with a particular session, just turn off the iris and unplug after you have powered down. Next time you turn on the projector, turn the DI back on, unplug when you are done with that session. You might have a little funky action for those two sessions, but I think that is better than doing it all at once.
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That's a good point. Some of the content I watch won't use the DI much anyways so it won't matter if it's acting wonky. I'll just do the "fix" over a couple viewing sessions.

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Seegs -- I'm surprised you didn't grab this one. I'm be curious as to how it compares to the Sim2. From $80,000 (or $90,000) to $6,000 in a couple of years -- now that's some serious depreciation!

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