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Tip on using nvida 3d with non listed projectors, in this case an optoa hd66, from the under 3k forum, is to select generic display crt and that should be the only one listed at 120hz. For video one need to flip the computer output or the glasses, not for games though, or was it the otherway round, apparently a bug in the nvida software.

I read someone was doing that with a few different projectors on the Nvidia forums. Seem like they were all connecting to the projector thru a standard VGA. My concern is if will give me the option to pick "Analong CRT" if the projector is being fed with a Dual Link DVI.

Another option i heard was to pull to pins from the DVI cable that send and receive EDID info. That way the computer cant recognize the projector and then it will just think its connected to a generic PnP display.
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6)3 D capability, now this looks killer and I have ordered a 3 D Gamer computer just to check out the 3D Dual 16 Bit inputs, stay tuned...


LJG > Did u get this yet, have you started to use any 3D?
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No, I never pulled the trigger on 3D HTPC, I will probably pick up a cablevision HD box when I return from vacation to check out 3D and also the Masters.

I have Directv, and won't switch, so it will be a temporary solution until Directv goes 3D in June
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Check the 3K forum, posted alst week or so, remenber it was fed via HDMI, but not sure if my memory serves me right.
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The problem I am running into with figuring out a 3D PC solution is that you cant enable stereo (3D) on the Nvidia card without using the 3D Vision kit, and that doesnt want to recognize my Titan. They have a list of all the displays they test and support and that is it, according to Nvidia, irregardless if my projector is actually capable.

I think i want to get the Xpand 3D glasses kit, being that ultimately I want 12 pair, one of each seat, and DPI said they dont support DLP-Link. The Xpand IR emitter uses a BNC cable which will plug directly into the projectors sync cable.

So if i could get a graphic card that will work in stereo mode I would be good to go, also DPI said it would need to have a BNC or Mini-Din 3-pin sync jack?
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I tracked the thread I was referring to and bumped it for you, asking how it was hooked-up. In this thread it is mentioned that the Nvidia set-up doesn't use DLP link, the syncing is provided by the content.
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I tracked the thread I was referring to and bumped it for you, asking how it was hooked-up. In this thread it is mentioned that the Nvidia set-up doesn't use DLP link, the syncing is provided by the content.

Thanks for the info! I posted to see which connection he was using also. I read somewhere that the only way the Optoma HD66 projector could display 120Hz was on the VGA input but maybe that was wrong.
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I think one would prefer a digital input from a digital source ... analog to digital on a computer dosen't look as good as digital to digital on a computer
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Here is an interesting thread covering info on how to watch The Masters on line in 3D.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1239231
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FINALLY!

3D is up and running. I ended up ordering the Nvidia 3D Vision kit and it is working great. Movie clips and 3D games are awesome.

The only way to enable 3D stereoscopic from the Nvidia graphic card is with their kit.

Now that it is setup and working im going to order the Xpand 101 glasses kit. Probably the kit for 5 glasses and the emitter for $999.00

Then Ill add 7 more sets after the universal glasses from Xpand are released. That way if i get any other 3D sets, from Sony or Samsung the Xpand glasses should work with all.

I will have to leave the IR emitter from Nvidia plugged into the computer but them ill connect the Xpand emiiter directly to the projector and let it create the sync signal. The the Nvidia graphic card wont know im not using their glasses and emitter.

The glasses dont seem that bad, but the tiny little IR emitter sucks mainly beacuse it connects via USB and you cant use any USB hubs with it. I was able to extend the cable that came with it with one 10Ft extention so I have a total length of about 20FT.

The Xpand emitter is high powered and can cover 70FT.

BUT SO FAR AMAZINGLY GOOD!

Im interested in seeing how the Master will look streamed via the internet.
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Hi Peter:

What is the upgrade procedure?
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For those who own DPI projectors here,what is your opinion of their customer service ?

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My direct opinion is they were a bit slow but in the end the came through with flying colors.....and did great by me
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For those who own DPI projectors here,what is your opinion of their customer service ?

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As dealers we have had pretty good response from our rep and DPI in general. Waiting for parts from Overseas, including projectors, has been the worst part of service from them.
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I agree... with LJG.

They arnt the quickest to respnd but normally they get the job done.

I can say they have a very limited understanding of what their products are capable of 3D wise. That just blows my mind. I tried for a week to get info from DP technical support regarding 3D, but all they are interested in doing is selling their Mechdyne 3D Dimension Product. I think its a little bit of a joke though. $45K for a computer with a 3D capable graphic card and 12 sets of shutter glasses. I could see $10 - 15K but not $45k.

But as I see it right now, I wouldnt want any other projector brand unless I went Peter's DCI route.
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But as I see it right now, I wouldnt want any other projector brand unless I went Peter's DCI route.

Why not? What makes this unit so much better than the competition in your subjective opinion?
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I assume with a 3D set top box from cable providers the IR Emitter would be connected to the Sync input of the projector?
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I assume with a 3D set top box from cable providers the IR Emitter would be connected to the Sync input of the projector?

I believe you would connect the IR emitter to the Sync OUT of the projector and set the projector to generate the 3D sync signal internally.

The Sync IN would be fed from a computer or some other device with a sync output.
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Why not? What makes this unit so much better than the competition in your subjective opinion?

Well for one, i'm not sure what other projector brands have a light output equal to the Titan while maintaining a reasonably good native contrast.

Secondly, I wanted 3D which even further limits the available options.

And lastly, I guess its just personal preference. The same reason I always prefer one brand car over another. I guess just history with the company and their commitment to service.
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I believe you would connect the IR emitter to the Sync OUT of the projector and set the projector to generate the 3D sync signal internally.

The Sync IN would be fed from a computer or some other device with a sync output.

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My trip to the Masters in Augusta conflicted with my needing to be at Keeneland in Lexington, KY, the same weekend, for the running of the Toyota Bluegrass Stake. I won`t even be able to watch the Masters in 3D at wherever because I must be at the track Thursday through Sunday. At least I will have a silent monitor to watch it in 2D. For those interested, practice tickets for the Masters on Monday, Tuesday, and Weds are scoreable and next year I am going to be there for at least one practice day. Forty years ago, tickets for the actual competitive days were easily available but not any more. Lon. do you think Tiger has a good shot at winning?

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Well for one, i'm not sure what other projector brands have a light output equal to the Titan while maintaining a reasonably good native contrast.

Secondly, I wanted 3D which even further limits the available options.

And lastly, I guess its just personal preference. The same reason I always prefer one brand car over another. I guess just history with the company and their commitment to service.

What is your screen size?
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This is slightly off topic, but does anyone happen to know what the status is on the HIGHlite 260? Did DP ever ship this model? Is it $25K or $30K?
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One has to remember that no matter the screen size, shutter glass 3D requires about 6 times more light than for the equivalent 2D brightness.

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One has to remember that no matter the screen size, shutter glass 3D requires about 6 times more light than for the equivalent 2D brightness.

I know, which is why i am curious to hear his brightness level with the 3D.
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What is your screen size?

Right now its 170" Wide Scope.

I have been thinking about putting in an SMX 4-way masking 2.0 Aspect 170" wide.

that way neither scope material or 16:9 material will seem less attractive than the other.

I guess i'm waiting to see how much 3D content will be 16:9 and how much will be scope.
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This is slightly off topic, but does anyone happen to know what the status is on the HIGHlite 260? Did DP ever ship this model? Is it $25K or $30K?


I dont think they have announced firm pricing yet, but I think thats coming really really soon!

I believe it starts shipping the end of April.
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One has to remember that no matter the screen size, shutter glass 3D requires about 6 times more light than for the equivalent 2D brightness.

I am trying to get the Xpand glasses. I have been in contact with both the head of their gaming division and their Pro-Cinema division. They are trying to decide which system they have will be the best fit.

They have, from what I understand a few different sizes for their IR Emitter with varying connections.

I wonder how much the light output will vary between those and the Nvidia glasses i'm using right now. Also the Nvidia glasses have a slight yellowish tint to them.

I can say that when the Nvidia glasses are in action "shuttering" or I'm just wearing them turned off there only seems to be a minor difference. The biggest difference is just the tint to the lenses themselves.

Right now I am content with the amount of light I get in 3D mode but definitely could be brighter. Since I still have my Titan 1080P-500 with the High-Brightness lens, I'm going to see how much brighter it will make the Titan 3D instead of the High-Contrast Lens. I may end up using both.

The only time the 3D seems to make my eyes feel like they are straining is during very dark scenes. I also wonder how the brightness will vary with tripleflash at 144Hz vs doubleflash at 120Hz

One thing to mention, since I dont have a way of measuring the light output. I sure dont feel like 2D is 6 times brighter than 3D. Doesnt seem anything close to that. It would only seem to me to be about half. But thats just the impression my eyes get
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I am trying to get the Xpand glasses. I have been in contact with both the head of their gaming division and their Pro-Cinema division. They are trying to decide which system they have will be the best fit.

They have, from what I understand a few different sizes for their IR Emitter with varying connections.

I would be very interested in what they say, I ordered the XpanD 3D Stereoscopic Kit with 2 X101 Active 3D Glasses, but just cancelled my order because Cablevision needed to do an install for Set top box and I didn't have the time to set up an appointment. Will probably wait until June for Directv
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