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audiman's Avatar audiman
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Did someone compared analogs IN from both D2v and MX-150?
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Bit the bullet and bought an MX150 for xmas. It should be here anytime now. Will post my impression, but I am sure it will blow the doors off my Rotel RSX-1057!!

I auditioned the D2V and MX150, albeit at two different dealers, both sounded fantastic but i felt the synergies with my current equipment (MC205, B&W 800 series) were a better match with the MX150. As for 2CH, the MX150 with what i think were XRT1K sounded out of this world!
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I spent several days checking it out. You should be very happy with the unit. Great sound.
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Bit the bullet and bought an MX150 for xmas. It should be here anytime now. Will post my impression, but I am sure it will blow the doors off my Rotel RSX-1057!!

I auditioned the D2V and MX150, albeit at two different dealers, both sounded fantastic but i felt the synergies with my current equipment (MC205, B&W 800 series) were a better match with the MX150. As for 2CH, the MX150 with what i think were XRT1K sounded out of this world!

I am very happy with my MX150. I also have a 402 & 205. Martin Logan CLX speakers. The synergy with the B&W 800 series speakers, people comment how will it works.
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I spoke to Gow at audio clasics about the 150 and those that have purchased the MX150 have traded up from the MX119 or MX120 ( of which I have ) and they can't believe the sound quality difference. hard to believe, but Mac spend a bunch of time on this one to get it right. I am very pleased with the 119, but it would be nice to put evrything through the Mac and not have to run the HDMI to the monitor. Oh and the comment about ground loop... I have been wrestling with that for over a year and went to a Richard gray iso system with 240 outlet to isolate and still had it...Solution is to put a .59c two prong plug on each of your 150$ three prong plugs !! 0 -; UGH !
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Bit the bullet and bought an MX150 for xmas. It should be here anytime now. Will post my impression, but I am sure it will blow the doors off my Rotel RSX-1057!!

I auditioned the D2V and MX150, albeit at two different dealers, both sounded fantastic but i felt the synergies with my current equipment (MC205, B&W 800 series) were a better match with the MX150. As for 2CH, the MX150 with what i think were XRT1K sounded out of this world!

I have tried evry Rotel and they are just not what they used to be- that 1057 used to get so hot, with the heat sinks up front that it could literaly burn your hand !! I went back to Mac - There is no comparison- when you listen, your jaw will drop and you get teared up listening to an SACD and you cant believe it. Then when you put some B and W or Martin or McIntosh Speakers with a warm tone to match- Narvana !!!
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Is the MX-150, in fact, based on the Denon? And if so, does anyone know outside of Room Perfect how they differ operationally and sonically?
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Did i read this right, or the mx-150 does not have analog direct? it will digitize anything comming from the analog IN, because of the room correction ?
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Did i read this right, or the mx-150 does not have analog direct? it will digitize anything comming from the analog IN, because of the room correction ?

Everything coming in is digitized. I, too, was surprised when I was told this by McIntosh tech support. There were various reasons that, after a week of eval, I reached a decision not to purchase the 150. The analog issue was definitely on the list.
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Everything coming in is digitized. I, too, was surprised when I was told this by McIntosh tech support. There were various reasons that, after a week of eval, I reached a decision not to purchase the 150. The analog issue was definitely on the list.

Strange ideed and very un-mcintosh like. They offer 2 stereo balanced analog IN, but it would get digitized?

What i've read is that the mx-136 was the last of the mx series to have the C-45's analog stage.
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Strange ideed and very un-mcintosh like. They offer 2 stereo balanced analog IN, but it would get digitized?

What i've read is that the mx-136 was the last of the mx series to have the C-45's analog stage.

My specific question to the McIntosh was if there was an analog pass through. They responded that all incoming signals are processed digitally prior to output.
Kal Rubinson's Avatar Kal Rubinson
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My specific question to the McIntosh was if there was an analog pass through. They responded that all incoming signals are processed digitally prior to output.

Same with the Meridian 861.
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For 2 channel listening of cd's i use a Parasound JC2 with Marantz BD8002 using the 2 channel outputs. For 5.1 i use the 5.1 analog outputs of the Marantz to a MC12.
Would replacing the MC12 with the MX150 give me better 5.1 sound?
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Would replacing the MC12 with the MX150 give me better 5.1 sound?

How would you define "better"? FWIW, the MC-12 gives you the option of pure analogue pass-through OR digitizing the 5.1 analogue input (you can toggle back and forth at the touch of a button). Does the MX-150 have that option?
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As the years go by i've upgraded most of my gear. I never liked the 2 channel performance of the the MC-12 which is why i have a separate Parasound rack. Truth is i think the blu ray 5.1 DTS HD MA to the MC-12 via 5.1 analog gives me really good sound, the best i've ever heard. I define better as hearing something different that you like more than what you have. I always trust my ears, not manfacturer hyperbole.
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I define better as hearing something different that you like more than what you have. I always trust my ears, not manfacturer hyperbole.
From your description, "better" seems to be intangible as well as personal. After all, how is anyone else supposed to know whether it has qualities that "you like more than what you have"? In which case the only way to know whether the MX-150 is better is by listening for yourself. Anything else would be someone projecting their personal preferences onto you.
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It would be fun to do a MX150 - MC-12 shootout but not practical. If anyone has heard both, please comment. Better yet, a high end surround processor shootout of several models - who wants to volunteer?
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KR [Kal] owns a Meridian 861V6 / 621 and has reviewed the Classe SSP 800, Arcam AV888 and most recent the McIntosh MX150. Other than the new hot rock from ADA [Rhapsody Mach IV] that should cover it.
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CES soon, lot's of new toys - maybe a surround processor.
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KR [Kal] owns a Meridian 861V6 / 621 and has reviewed the Classe SSP 800, Arcam AV888 and most recent the McIntosh MX150. Other than the new hot rock from ADA [Rhapsody Mach IV] that should cover it.

He actualy owns the v4 and is currently reviewing a v6 (which he does not own). Next in line for review is the ADA. If someone can convince him to also review the soon to be in production CBIII HD he would have covered all the contenders for the top spot (he also did the Krell). Given that performance of the roomEQ is always heavily featured in all his reviews, I am not holding my breath about a forthcoming CBIII HD review though.
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Hey BLAND I'm tossing you a bone...

Can you even get a CBIII HD?
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Can you even get a CBIII HD?

There is at least one dealer that we know of that is in possesion of
a CB-IIIHD, so we should be able to get them shortly.

It appears to me that what might very well be holding back a full release of the CB-IIIHD is, what to initially charge for the DACs that so many people will require in order to bring their system up from 5.1 to 7.1, or to meet the requirments to have their Casablanca be upgradable at all.
The only thing that seems to be written in stone is, the price of the actual upgrade itself.

It's very possible and I am hopeful, that when the new sales guy takes over, presumably on Jan.2nd, that these pricing decisions will then be made quickly and the CB-IIIHD will start to become generally available.

At least, that is what I am led to believe from speaking with various dealers about the current availability status of the CB-IIIHD.
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KR [Kal] owns a Meridian 861V6 / 621 and has reviewed the Classe SSP 800, Arcam AV888 and most recent the McIntosh MX150. Other than the new hot rock from ADA [Rhapsody Mach IV] that should cover it.

Has anyone read the MX150 review in Stereophile? I see the cover on their website, but has it hit the street yet?
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Has anyone read the MX150 review in Stereophile? I see the cover on their website, but has it hit the street yet?

Probably. It has been received by subscribers.
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Has anyone read the MX150 review in Stereophile? I see the cover on their website, but has it hit the street yet?

Yes it did. I would say Kal's verdict was a "neutral". If you were already interested in this SSP you would not drop it from the shortlist based on the review, but if you were not you would not feel compelled to add it to your shortlist either. A contender in its price class, but not a gamechanger that sets a new standard for performance at its pricepoint.

If you did not have the opportunity to audition the units yourself and had to buy solely based on Kal's review you would probably get the Classe instead.
Kal Rubinson's Avatar Kal Rubinson
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Yes it did. I would say Kal's verdict was a "neutral". If you were already interested in this SSP you would not drop it from the shortlist based on the review, but if you were not you would not feel compelled to add it to your shortlist either. A contender in its price class, but not a gamechanger that sets a new standard for performance at its pricepoint.

If you did not have the opportunity to audition the units yourself and had to buy solely based on Kal's review you would probably get the Classe instead.

That conclusion would be greatly influenced by your need for roomEQ, of course.
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Yes it did. I would say Kal's verdict was a "neutral". If you were already interested in this SSP you would not drop it from the shortlist based on the review, but if you were not you would not feel compelled to add it to your shortlist either. A contender in its price class, but not a gamechanger that sets a new standard for performance at its pricepoint.

If you did not have the opportunity to audition the units yourself and had to buy solely based on Kal's review you would probably get the Classe instead.

Thanks for the info. I so badly want to hear the Classe, MX150 and Arcam. I will be buying next month so I don't want to go kick tires just yet. I want to hear them, think about it a bit and make an offer.

The local store has the MX150, Classe, Anthem and even Integra. It will be a big plus to be able to hear all of these units in one store albeit not with Dynaudio but I will make them audition with the B&W 803D or 802D

I will try to report back what the verdict was. One more stop for the Arcam and I don't know if I should add Krell to the mix.

I really have become more 50/50 with music/ht. I really wonder if going for a lesser priced unit like the NAD M15HD or Arcam (I have the M15) and them adding a seperate pre/amp from Simaudio (my personal choice) would give me more of what I seek. I would like to add a TT as well. I know the NAD does not belong in this group but it has been a very solid performer (verge of outstanding) in my non-dedicated room for HT. I just crave a little more for 2.1.

Thanks for the heads-up on the review and if I can get it on-line I will.

Happy New Year.
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The local store has the MX150, Classe, Anthem and even Integra. It will be a big plus to be able to hear all of these units in one store albeit not with Dynaudio but I will make them audition with the B&W 803D or 802D
It is a truly remarkable store that would be able and willing to swap these processors in/out with the same speaker setup and with the assurance they were each configured properly for that setup. If they do that for you, buy from them. They are probably unique.
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Thanks for the info. I so badly want to hear the Classe, MX150 and Arcam. I will be buying next month so I don't want to go kick tires just yet. I want to hear them, think about it a bit and make an offer.

The local store has the MX150, Classe, Anthem and even Integra. It will be a big plus to be able to hear all of these units in one store albeit not with Dynaudio but I will make them audition with the B&W 803D or 802D

I will try to report back what the verdict was. One more stop for the Arcam and I don't know if I should add Krell to the mix.

I really have become more 50/50 with music/ht. I really wonder if going for a lesser priced unit like the NAD M15HD or Arcam (I have the M15) and them adding a seperate pre/amp from Simaudio (my personal choice) would give me more of what I seek. I would like to add a TT as well. I know the NAD does not belong in this group but it has been a very solid performer (verge of outstanding) in my non-dedicated room for HT. I just crave a little more for 2.1.

Thanks for the heads-up on the review and if I can get it on-line I will.

Happy New Year.

You need to give very carefull consideration to how you want to run 2.1 in your setup before buying any SSP, especially if there is a TT in the mix. As you pointed out you can (1) use a separate preamp with HT bypass, (2) digitize the analog 2 channel in your SSP, or (3) use the analog bypass of the SSP (which for example the MX150 does not have). The problem with (1) and (3) is you need to get very creative to get 2.1 and 5.1 integrated if you really want to use the sub in two channel mode. For 2.1 and 5.1 integration option (2) would be by far the easiest configuration, but most folks with TTs would abhor digitizing their analog signal.

I would make my setup decision based on how I split my time between MCH music, 2 channel music (consider the vinyl and digital split in your case) and movies and how critical I am listening to each, and then optimize the system for what you get most gratification from.
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My solution for 2.1 and 5.1 independence - Parasound JC2 and JC1's for 2 ch. MC12 with Citation amp for 5.1. The RF, LF and sub autoswitch with a Niles SAS-1. Simple and effective.

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