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post #541 of 546 Old 06-13-2015, 11:54 AM
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I am sorry, but I don't really see the point of 2gbps internet speeds. The only thing that really is going to help is cutting down file download speed and if we are reliably that fast, they would probably just stream so one wouldn't need to complete a file download to start watching their video. Max bit rate on BluRay is 36mbit. I am having a hard time seeing the need for more than 30 times as fast a bit rate or even a way to really fill that large of a pipe. It would be like having a 27 lane highway in Winnemucca, Nevada or having a bullet train between Merced and Hanford, CA.
There are many reasons why one would want that speed. For those with 30+ security cameras, plus work security cameras, streaming movies up to 4-5 per house at same time, plus recording TV shows you aren't watching, surfing internet, vpns to work. On top of that if you add IPS, AV, DPI then your bandwidth goes from a theoretical maximum to about 30-50% depending on your firewall appliance. There are all sorts of ways to utilize bandwidth. People store HD backups offsite on storage servers (refuse to use the word Cloud... it's a server/datacenter). There are no Greek Gods of data retention in the sky. People record to local and offsite video footage to prevent removal/deletion of camera footage during robbery. In order to prosecute you need excellent quality which requires bandwidth per camera 24/7. Heaven forbid all this affects Online Multi Player game performance....

Sometimes I need to download an ISO from MSDN for work. My day would have more time for other things than sitting in front of a computer waiting for it to download, instead of quickly downloading to USB stick/HD and then getting on the road. Time is money. Granted, my mom will probably never need that speed, but there are those that would use it.
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Jim, I again don't see the need for such speeds. I have 72 HD security cameras here at my work and I don't stream all 72 to one screen because it is just too much to watch. If you have your screen set to rotate on a 9 camera split, you are still only watching 9 feeds and even then you don't need to have 1080p on each stream unless you have a 6k x 3k resolution display any more than one would need to stream 4k video to watch on their iPad.

As for recording a show you are not watching - full OTA is only 19Mbit and there are not many providers that don't compress them more than that. I don't expect people to record 100 shows at once. A likely maximum of 5 shows would be way less than 100Mbit of full HD broadcasts today. Surfing the Internet is a rounding error on those numbers unless you are streaming video.

Online multiplayer performance is also negligible on bandwidth but crucial on latency, which is why satellite sucks for playing World of Warcraft. Downloading a GB of data in 8 seconds vs 1 1/2 minutes is nice, but again, so is driving to the corner store in a Ferrari but still not enough to justify the expense for that once in a while need. Storing data on an offsite server for backup is generally done at night. 100mbps for 8 hours is a crazy amount of data, again more than anything almost any company can possibly compile in one day unless they are in the video business. One can basically download 1TB of data per day on a 100mbit data path. The data path is more than 3x the average bitrate of Blu-ray, so unless you have people watching 3 streams per day 24x7, you are writing data you will likely never read (ok for security video and backups, but that is about all).

I can see a use for 100mbit Internet. I cannot foresee a real need now or even in the next 10 years for 10GBps internet speeds.
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Jim, I again don't see the need for such speeds. I have 72 HD security cameras here at my work and I don't stream all 72 to one screen because it is just too much to watch. If you have your screen set to rotate on a 9 camera split, you are still only watching 9 feeds and even then you don't need to have 1080p on each stream unless you have a 6k x 3k resolution display any more than one would need to stream 4k video to watch on their iPad.

As for recording a show you are not watching - full OTA is only 19Mbit and there are not many providers that don't compress them more than that. I don't expect people to record 100 shows at once. A likely maximum of 5 shows would be way less than 100Mbit of full HD broadcasts today. Surfing the Internet is a rounding error on those numbers unless you are streaming video.

Online multiplayer performance is also negligible on bandwidth but crucial on latency, which is why satellite sucks for playing World of Warcraft. Downloading a GB of data in 8 seconds vs 1 1/2 minutes is nice, but again, so is driving to the corner store in a Ferrari but still not enough to justify the expense for that once in a while need. Storing data on an offsite server for backup is generally done at night. 100mbps for 8 hours is a crazy amount of data, again more than anything almost any company can possibly compile in one day unless they are in the video business. One can basically download 1TB of data per day on a 100mbit data path. The data path is more than 3x the average bitrate of Blu-ray, so unless you have people watching 3 streams per day 24x7, you are writing data you will likely never read (ok for security video and backups, but that is about all).

I can see a use for 100mbit Internet. I cannot foresee a real need now or even in the next 10 years for 10GBps internet speeds.

If you recall the days of modems, 1200 was great, then 2400 was better, then 9600 US Robotics was king. Then 19.2K, then 38.4k, then 56K, and on and on. It will be used if it's available. This is a high end forum. Not everyone needs a high end solution. Time is money. I don't want to wait. There are many many other uses that people could use that would utilize more bandwidth. I can tell you I love the near instant transfers in my house for files. I have a client that would love 2gbps right now. They send medical images over 700MB per study. They read for multiple hospitals locations all over America for ER studies after hours. Now take 700MB x 50 over many VPNs at the same time. and you can see how easy it is to utilize bandwidth. That is one example of the many that could be discussed.

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I can see a use for 100mbit Internet. I cannot foresee a real need now or even in the next 10 years for 10GBps internet speeds.
There I quoted that for you in case you deleted it and needed to be reminded of your prediction when you read this 10 years from now....
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I don't think I will need to be reminded as it isn't a blanket statement for all time, like 640k is all the memory anybody will ever need.

I do recall the old modem days, including 300 baud. I do know that at some point, unless you radically change the bandwidth load, additional speed because unneeded depending on the application. Forum posting won't need crazy speeds. Neither will streaming music. After 100mbit, you won't need more for video. How many applications are we going to have left that really justify the speed. Sure, there may be one app that might be a resource hog, but at some point, more speed will not be really all that big of a selling point, if even at all.

Hell, I would take 1Gbps without any usage caps over 10Gbps with a usage cap or overage charges, so maybe the drive will be less speed based and more cost efficiency based.
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There I quoted that for you in case you deleted it and needed to be reminded of your prediction when you read this 10 years from now....
Since this is the high-end forum, how about this scenario. You have a media room with four screens for watching football on Sunday afternoon. If football becomes available via the internet (looking possible) and then let's say all four games are in 4K (likely coming soon as well), I could easily see one person using 150Mb or more in bandwidth. Add to that other members of the home downloading, streaming, etc., and I can easily see the need for 200 - 300 Mb in the next year or two. In 10 years, who knows, I'm sure that speeds of more than 1Gb could be put to good use by then.
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