For fun, I will keep going
. But this is precisely what is wrong with many arguments on the forum. You have no data that pertains to the topic, yet like to argue with the person who does. Is it because you own a competing processor and like to shed negative light on this unit no matter how thin your case?
Originally Posted by Raul GS
Yeh right. You have real data as to project start, level of resources, the design and revisions, who is manufacturing it, who is designing, etc.? Of course not. But why not take hearsay and run with it.
As a major company you would have to be fairly incompetent to take 3 yrs to put out this level of hardware.
No, you wouldn't. If you don't understand that, then you have not worked for a company that produces A/V equipment.
As I said, other manufacturers can put out a number of SSP and receivers with many different capabilities in that time frame.
You have no idea what you are saying Raul. It is all about *volume*. If you have volume, you get the companies making the silicon help you with your design because you mean a lot of business to them. Unfortunately what the entire high-end company does is less than one single mass market company's volume in a week!
Ask a chip company if they like working with high-end companies and they will blow your head off. I know, I have asked. If a chip sells for $2, 10,000 units that one might sell in the lifetime of a product like this means $20,000 gross! Many companies refuse to even do business with you.
So yes, you will see a Japanese or Korean company do a processor every year but high-end companies that can't even get one done. And the ones that do produce them, are based on ODM designs in Taiwan. And that creates its own set of issues. You start designing with them, half way through getting it finished they tell you that they have discontinued the module and have a new one! You change the design and start over again. Then you get ready to go to manufacturing and find issues with that design. They tell you that they won't fix it because they don't understand the problem or know how to fix it. Then you sit there trying to figure out how to put a work-around in there. Either you get lucky or not. If not, then you may go on months not be able to finish the design.
Come back and make an argument when you appreciate the complexities of such projects Raul. Until then, you are just raising the noise floor with these layman superficial talk.
If you are going to justify taking 3 yrs merely to address hardware issues, then Harman is behaving like a boutique operation...considering their resources this would be either a poor reflection on their capabilities or the importance they give their Lexicon products.
Yes, the product is a boutique product. The total revenue is small and volumes small. So you are not going to see the entire team designing car audio stop working on the next Lexus and come and do a processor for us. We are lucky that Harman did decide to put out this product. They could have very well decided to not do one. Or put as much innovation in it as they have.
Please note I'm not making any of these arguments, but rather these arguments flow from your contentions regarding hardware and what other major corporations are able to do.
Great. So you are throwing paper arguments out that are not even yours? I do have better things to do than answer such things Raul.
No, disagree that you either are being obtuse are failing to comprehend simple arguments. My statement about Dennis was that he had experience with an older version of Synthesis.
And I said you were out of order. The topic was the time it takes to get ARCOS ported to Lexicon. You keep talking about Dennis but he has said nothing about ARCOS. Why on earth him saying he owned some old system has anything to do with this topic? I have asked you that four times and this is the fifth time.
You have implied a number of things regarding his statements, but have not stated that you feel he misrepresented his ownership of the older version of the Synthesis.
I am saying I don't trust what Dennis has to say about the technologies we are talking about because clearly his source of information is wrong. Whether he has owned some old product is neither here, nor there.
As I said before, all you had to point out was that the older version that he experienced lacked the ARCOS software, so he could not comment on it.
I have told you but you have not listened. I keep repeating that he has said nothing about the issues at hand yet you keep saying Dennis this, and Dennis that.
Instead you chose attack and make some odd comments about Dennis for no apparent reason.
What attack? You mean if he says JBL Synthesis is a re-badged QSC I am supposed to smile about it? What if I said your processor is a re-badged QSC? You will fight anyone saying otherwise?
1. Dennis said he was not impressed with an earlier version of the Synthesis
With no detail provided. You believe statements that are not backed on this forum with specifics?
2. I responded that this could suggest Harman updated their software.
Software? I asked you before. Where did Dennis talk about room EQ that is in Lexicon?
The correct follow up is "The version he owned did not have ARCOS".
No, that would require assumptions on my part of what he did or did not have. I can only go by what he has written. And what he wrote was that he a) owned an old version of Synthesis and b) has no idea what hardware is in current products and certainly no knowledge of Lexicon.
Gosh. I will stop here. I think this ranks as one of the most illogical arguments I have had with anyone on this forum. Are you grasping at anything you can find to shed a poor light on this product Raul? I have to think you have a motivation here or we wouldn't be here. Is that it?