Originally Posted by thebland
No different than Theta. These older, HDMI-updated pieces are [finally] getting liquidated.
They cleared out their old processor and I imagine the CBIV and new Lexicon is coming to CEDIA 2012.
You do not seriously believe that Theta spend all this time and money to develop their HDMI solution just to clear out some old inventory and liquidate the CB-III, especially since the CB-IIIHD is barely off the ground?
Tell me you are making another one of your Theta jokes and I just didn't get it!
With the off chance that you're actually serious, let me try to help clarify your first major misconception....there is no old inventory of DACs or SSP's to liquidate!
When ATI purchased the Theta brand, sitting in inventory, there was probably a handful of DACs and maybe a few pre-built CB-III's, if any at all.
I understand that there were quite a few different types of power amplifiers, and these they did liquidate before coming out with their new models.
As for their SSP, which you well know languished for far too long, there was probably not even enough parts in stock to build more then a few of any particular DAC and it was the same situation for the CB-III itself.
A company such as Lexicon on the other hand, I am quite sure that they have plenty of parts in stock and more then a few units sitting in inventory to move before releasing a new model.
Now that ATI is rebuilding the Theta brand and they're a much larger company then Theta ever was, in the future they may be in a similar situation but that is certainly not the case yet.
So, I would not expect for you to see a newer model of Casablanca released, especially since they have only shipped 20 or so CB-IIIHD's!
I'm going to make an assumption at this point. I believe you think that because Theta ran a sale on their DAC's, that this was some sort of an indication to you that these were blow-out prices for liquidation purposes.
This is simply not the case and couldn't be further from the truth.
The DAC sale was their way to give a meaningful incentive to current CB-III users to upgrade and to help assure some immediate sales of new CB-IIIHD's.
I can tell you that this incentive was a great success, far greater then anyone could have imagined.
So while it took only days to upgrade the first few CB-III's, including my own, that there were so many orders for both new and upgraded units and new DAC's, that they simply ran out of enough parts to continue building these DAC's and they even ran out of parts to simply upgrade existing units or to build new SSP's.
Needless to say, they were forced to cut the sale short in order to slow things down a bit.
New parts had to be ordered and stocked as quickly as possible, but now that has caused the DAC's and SSP's to be back-ordered by as much as 7-8 weeks
I know you find this all hard to believe since you have no love for the Casablanca, but apparently there is once again quite a demand for this SSP, now that HDMI is a basic function of the Casablanca.
I also know that to your mind, an SSP that is still priced very high is not worth it and has no future, but like it or not, it seems to me from the shear amount of people waiting for new and upgraded units, that a market still exists in this price category and it appears that Theta fully intends to remain in this space.
Originally Posted by thebland
Look at the new ADA, Classe> I can tell you it is fantastic (and loaded with features), older models like the Lex HD and the CBIII HD will still sound
dated (forward sounding, lesser dynamics).
I own the ADA and find it amazing. These new generation devices have taken SSPs to a level....
I have no problem with you making bold claims about gear that you own or even gear that you've heard, it is what we do here.
But to make a statement so matter of fact about a processor that just came out that you've never heard, when you've not even heard the model that it replaced, just seems absurd.
I myself "think" the ADA might not be my cup of tea, but I could never say anything negative about it or make claims regarding it's dynamics since I've never heard it.
As for the CB-IIIHD, the few user reports that are available have all been quite positive and nobody has described it as you have here
What astonished me even more with this last post was the fact that you'd recommend the Classe' while dissuading people from even looking at the Theta, which happens to share the same major processing boards as Classe'! I would think that if the CB-IIIHD was as poor as you describe, in the way that you describe, that the Classe' would not be too much different.
I'm just astounded, since they seem more similar then dissimilar to me and I have had occasion to at least hear the Classe'.
I do not mean to offend you in anyway, but since people often take what you say as an indisputable fact, I felt it incumbent upon myself, after reading what you said, to clarify the fact that the CB-IIIHD was in no danger of being replaced, before it even got off the ground!