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From the Theta Digital Facebook page:

"The Editors of CE Pro just named our Prometheus amplifier one of their "Editor’s Picks: 12 Best Products of 2014". Bob Archer's review of this fabulous amplifier is in their December, 2014 issue.
This is quite a feather in our cap. In the wide world of consumer electronics, monoblock amplifiers must really stand out to make such a list. ...Bob Archer's review of this fabulous amplifier is in their December, 2014 issue. This is quite a feather in our cap. In the wide world of consumer electronics, monoblock amplifiers must really stand out to make such a list.

Here's a link: http://www.cepro.com/photos/2014_the_comeback_of_the_custom_install_market_the _best_products_of_the_yea/11/K536"

Nifty!! And outside of Theta's internal use of the Prometheus, I got the first five consumer ones last January and just luv 'em. Clearly better than - my prior Theta Digital Citadel 1.5 monoblocks - which in itself is amazing!!!@@@
This is the 20k forum. Quit worrying about great multichannel amps. Get great monoblock amps. HA!

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Off topic subject...but does anyone think Theta will include a USB input, for audio in a future upgrade?
I see a lot of new music streamer's, like the Auralic Aries that use USB out for DSD files....
that resolution can't be output through the digital out's....and was just wondering if anyone had
a thought on this?
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Off topic subject...but does anyone think Theta will include a USB input, for audio in a future upgrade?
I see a lot of new music streamer's, like the Auralic Aries that use USB out for DSD files....
that resolution can't be output through the digital out's....and was just wondering if anyone had
a thought on this?
There has been absolutely not even a hint of this from Theta Digital. Whatever secrets I may know about Theta Digital's future stuff does not include an asynchronous USB input for audio.

However, I am gonna make a bold prediction. The CBIV is so darn musical, even more so when coupled with a Gen VIII Series 3 DAC for front left and right channels. It so good that I no longer use the Gen VIII alone for stereo, I do everything thru the CBIV!!!@@@ No doubt Theta will have more stuff planned for the CBIV in the future as its been so successful. With new technology consolidating and "miniaturizing" computer components the CBIV now has plenty of extra room inside for new stuff. So I am gonna "boldly go where Man hasn't gone before", in Star Trek fashion, and predict that within 2-3 years, if not sooner, Theta Digital will have an asynchronous USB input for what by then will be the CBV! I have not one source telling me this. This is my prediction. Everything I asked for and predicted for some years is coming true for the CB SSP. Lets "see" if I turn out to score 100%. Theta are you watching???@@@

Meanwhile, I am using a Berkeley Audio USB to digital converter - the sound is phenomenal on 2 channel via the CBIV with Gen VIII Series 3 DAC!

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Hey Guys

Hope all your Theta Casablancas are doing well

As you probably know Theta is doing very well with the CB4 upgrades and shipping them daily with extremely happy customer results.

The OS is solid and people are loving the sound of the new CB4..

As you read in the previous post from Steve B.. Theta just got recognized for their new Prometheus Mono Blocks which I have to tell you are not only blowing Steve Bruzonskys mind but mine as well.

I have a pair in our demo room set up with Joseph Audio Perspectives and I am telling you , you've never heard anything like this.. Its completely insane.. Clarity , Precision, Warmth , Excitement and more. If anyone is in the NJ area and wants to hear this Setup we are going to be doing some more demos in January.. The Prometheus Amps are Dave Reichs babies and he put years into the design. They use the Hypex Ncore 1200 modules but instead of doing the Power Supply digital like others , Dave got the best sound by using a Giant Torroid.. Something Dave Reich and Theta are very familiar with.

Bruzonsky has 5 of these puppies in his room and replaced the Citadels with them.. Yes rated less power than the Citadels they smoke the Citadels in performance in all departments..

Theta is showing at CES in a few weeks and whoever gets to go see them will get a real treat !.. Lots of new goodies and some things that are going to make you just realize that buying a Fully Upgradable Processor was well worth the investment.. After almost 20 years of upgrades, the CB4 is just the beginning of an entirely new machine. Morris Kessler has put insane amounts of money into CB4 and wait till you see what he has up his sleeve.. He sees that the road for CB4 is just starting and that with the huge user base of people that demand the best sound quality in the industry that he can continue to invest in CB4 and the customer base will stay on board.

There are lots of other new fantastic boxes on the market but none with an upgradable card based architecture which has stood the test of time like Casablanca.

More to follow soon !

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Here's the CES Pro review on the Theta Digital Prometheus monoblock!!
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Hey Guys

Hope all your Theta Casablancas are doing well

As you probably know Theta is doing very well with the CB4 upgrades and shipping them daily with extremely happy customer results.

The OS is solid and people are loving the sound of the new CB4..

As you read in the previous post from Steve B.. Theta just got recognized for their new Prometheus Mono Blocks which I have to tell you are not only blowing Steve Bruzonskys mind but mine as well.

I have a pair in our demo room set up with Joseph Audio Perspectives and I am telling you , you've never heard anything like this.. Its completely insane.. Clarity , Precision, Warmth , Excitement and more. If anyone is in the NJ area and wants to hear this Setup we are going to be doing some more demos in January.. The Prometheus Amps are Dave Reichs babies and he put years into the design. They use the Hypex Ncore 1200 modules but instead of doing the Power Supply digital like others , Dave got the best sound by using a Giant Torroid.. Something Dave Reich and Theta are very familiar with.

Bruzonsky has 5 of these puppies in his room and replaced the Citadels with them.. Yes rated less power than the Citadels they smoke the Citadels in performance in all departments..

Theta is showing at CES in a few weeks and whoever gets to go see them will get a real treat !.. Lots of new goodies and some things that are going to make you just realize that buying a Fully Upgradable Processor was well worth the investment.. After almost 20 years of upgrades, the CB4 is just the beginning of an entirely new machine. Morris Kessler has put insane amounts of money into CB4 and wait till you see what he has up his sleeve.. He sees that the road for CB4 is just starting and that with the huge user base of people that demand the best sound quality in the industry that he can continue to invest in CB4 and the customer base will stay on board.

There are lots of other new fantastic boxes on the market but none with an upgradable card based architecture which has stood the test of time like Casablanca.

More to follow soon !

Craig
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Sounds like CES 2015 will be very interesting for the Theta Casablanca IV and perhaps other Theta goodies????

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Sounds like CES 2015 will be very interesting for the Theta Casablanca IV and perhaps other Theta goodies????
Very exciting to get new Casablanca V once it available
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Just wanted to say thanks to Craig at Theatermax and John at Theta for turning my CB IV upgrade so fast. The FedEx guys will have had it almost as much as Theta. Can't wait to get my hands on it.

I'm real curious to hear what kind of kind of sound improvements it makes with and without Dirac. Without first of course.

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Casablanca iii with 6 shooter

AddingI have the Casablanca iii and I just connected the six shooter and the oppo bdp 105. I am planning on using this setup for hd audio playback until I get the upgrade to cb iv. I have everything working but I have a few questions:
-when using the six shooter with analog direct selected are the crossover, delay or level settings of the cb being bypassed?
-if no, then I need to setting the speaker configure of the oppo to large speakers, and leave the distance from all speakers to be the same?
-the volume level is quit a bit lower using the analog out of the oppo than the digital. Can I compensate for this using the trim in the oppo?
-anything else I should know when using this setup?

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AddingI have the Casablanca iii and I just connected the six shooter and the oppo bdp 105. I am planning on using this setup for hd audio playback until I get the upgrade to cb iv. I have everything working but I have a few questions:
-when using the six shooter with analog direct selected are the crossover, delay or level settings of the cb being bypassed?
-if no, then I need to setting the speaker configure of the oppo to large speakers, and leave the distance from all speakers to be the same?
-the volume level is quit a bit lower using the analog out of the oppo than the digital. Can I compensate for this using the trim in the oppo?
-anything else I should know when using this setup?

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In your oppos menu I believe that it should be on fixed volume. This may be the reason your volume is low
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AddingI have the Casablanca iii and I just connected the six shooter and the oppo bdp 105. I am planning on using this setup for hd audio playback until I get the upgrade to cb iv. I have everything working but I have a few questions:
-when using the six shooter with analog direct selected are the crossover, delay or level settings of the cb being bypassed?
-if no, then I need to setting the speaker configure of the oppo to large speakers, and leave the distance from all speakers to be the same?
-the volume level is quit a bit lower using the analog out of the oppo than the digital. Can I compensate for this using the trim in the oppo?
-anything else I should know when using this setup?

Thanks,
Steve

When you are using the Six Shooter none of the CB's digital processing works - the Six Shooter is the ultimate stereo and multi-channel analog pass through.


You can also go into the CB's speaker level menu and increase the level the same for each speaker.

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Thanks for the response guys. Yes, the volume is set to fixed in the oppo. Could increasing the volume using the trim on the oppo create any sort of distortion as opposed to increasing the volume in the levels setup of the cb iii?

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You don't want to go to positive levels on the oppo according to Bob in the oppi thread.
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Thanks for the response guys. Yes, the volume is set to fixed in the oppo. Could increasing the volume using the trim on the oppo create any sort of distortion as opposed to increasing the volume in the levels setup of the cb iii?

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from my understanding, if you have the oppo at fixed volume then it is at full volume. The Oppo volume control is really only a digital attenuator. So having it at variable volume and turn up to the max would be the same as fixed.
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Not in the trim settings. Yes the main volume works that way. But according to the beta testers on the oppo forum you don't usually want the level trims going into the positive settings.
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Christmas is here, and I need new gear!
I want a high rez audio play. I'm looking at the Sony HAP Z1 ES, or the Auralic Aries.
The Sony has no digital outs...only analog, but can play DSD files! And, I can control the volume on the Casa with the Sony via a IR blaster..so in the Sony app, I can play music, and control volume!
The Auralic is a little cheaper, with a digital out...and I can now hook an external USB drive to it, so it acts like a stand alone player. It too can play DSD files...but only via USB. No USB on the Casa, yet!
So....just asking for anyone's opinion?

I currently am using the Olive One...which I got at the end of summer....and I hate it. Nothing every works right, the sound is ok...but the app is so buggy....I have to get rid of it.
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I would also consider the Marantz the cheaper of the two. It is only 1199.00 The na 8005 You already have great dacs just need the good player streamer. It does dsd and double dsd. It has rca out and optical and coax digital outs. Plus optical and coax digital inputs. I have researched a bunch. And for the money this seams to be a great choice. And nobody ever talks about it.

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As you read in the previous post from Steve B.. Theta just got recognized for their new Prometheus Mono Blocks which I have to tell you are not only blowing Steve Bruzonskys mind but mine as well.

I have a pair in our demo room set up with Joseph Audio Perspectives and I am telling you , you've never heard anything like this.. Its completely insane.. Clarity , Precision, Warmth , Excitement and more. If anyone is in the NJ area and wants to hear this Setup we are going to be doing some more demos in January.. The Prometheus Amps are Dave Reichs babies and he put years into the design. They use the Hypex Ncore 1200 modules but instead of doing the Power Supply digital like others , Dave got the best sound by using a Giant Torroid.. Something Dave Reich and Theta are very familiar with.
Has anyone seen a comparison of the Prometheus vs Mola Mola side by side?

PS the Hypex power supplies aren't digital.

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Theta is showing at CES in a few weeks and whoever gets to go see them will get a real treat !.. Lots of new goodies and some things that are going to make you just realize that buying a Fully Upgradable Processor was well worth the investment.. After almost 20 years of upgrades, the CB4 is just the beginning of an entirely new machine. Morris Kessler has put insane amounts of money into CB4 and wait till you see what he has up his sleeve.. He sees that the road for CB4 is just starting and that with the huge user base of people that demand the best sound quality in the industry that he can continue to invest in CB4 and the customer base will stay on board.

There are lots of other new fantastic boxes on the market but none with an upgradable card based architecture which has stood the test of time like Casablanca.

More to follow soon !

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Here's hoping the software guys don't take time off to go to CES and keep working on next version of the CB IV DL operating system. They have been working busily and I'm hoping it isn't too far away. There's so much to do even with the existing hardware architecture to better optimise the DL implementation. Then of course there's the other bits we'd like to see added such as an USB input card and, for some/few, Atmos etc.

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Christmas is here, and I need new gear!
I want a high rez audio play. I'm looking at the Sony HAP Z1 ES, or the Auralic Aries.
The Sony has no digital outs...only analog, but can play DSD files! And, I can control the volume on the Casa with the Sony via a IR blaster..so in the Sony app, I can play music, and control volume!
The Auralic is a little cheaper, with a digital out...and I can now hook an external USB drive to it, so it acts like a stand alone player. It too can play DSD files...but only via USB. No USB on the Casa, yet!
So....just asking for anyone's opinion?

I currently am using the Olive One...which I got at the end of summer....and I hate it. Nothing every works right, the sound is ok...but the app is so buggy....I have to get rid of it.
JRiver and a dedicated computer and you are done. DSD converted on the fly over HDMI to the CB.

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Has anyone seen a comparison of the Prometheus vs Mola Mola side by side?

PS the Hypex power supplies aren't digital.

The typical Hypex power supply may not be "digital" but is a SMPS--switch mode power supply.

Stereophile's Prometheus review is scheduled for their March, 2015 issue.

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One new technology I'd love to see Theta follow closely is Meridian's MQA. Very interesting/exciting development.

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The typical Hypex power supply may not be "digital" but is a SMPS--switch mode power supply.

Stereophile's Prometheus review is scheduled for their March, 2015 issue.

Jeff
Indeed. Nothing 'digital' about them. And Bruno has been at pains to argue that he sees no advantage to a linear supply with the Hypex module's and hence why it would be very good to see them reviewed side by side. Jeff, what, if any, of the standard "options" available on the NC1200 were taken up by Theta and/or what customisation of the modules was done?

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JRiver and a dedicated computer and you are done. DSD converted on the fly over HDMI to the CB.
Thanks Steve...I've gone the Computer route...with a mac mini...and it's just alot of steps to get it playing.
My wife needs it to be easy when I'm not around, and having to physically turn on the computer, switch back and forth with apps...
she gave up.....and then having to always remember to shut it down when we travel....
so I'm looking for an all in one solution! HDMI would be great to find on a player...but haven't found one yet!

Maybe at CES in a few weeks I'll see something?
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Mine stays on all the time in the rack with all my other gear. Just select the right input on the CB, grab the iPad or iPhone, select the album/track in JRemote, hit play. A lot of motherboards have HDMI out.

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Indeed. Nothing 'digital' about them. And Bruno has been at pains to argue that he sees no advantage to a linear supply with the Hypex module's and hence why it would be very good to see them reviewed side by side. Jeff, what, if any, of the standard "options" available on the NC1200 were taken up by Theta and/or what customisation of the modules was done?
I suspect that Theta may want to keep some things proprietary and therefore Steve although your questions are intriguing ones, I doubt Theta will answer some or perhaps even all of them. What counts is the Prometheus sounds fantastic, as noted by CE Pro in listing the Prometheus as one of the 12 best new CE products for 2014. Besides Steve, unless my memory is faulty, you have stated a number of times you are interested in building your own amps using these modules, thus all your questions, again,
I doubt Dave Reich and Theta want to give away too much.

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The NC1200 are OEM only and so not available for any DIY build. I'm only interested in a technical discussion of the value added of a linear supply in this specific context. The designer of the amp modules suggests it's of no benefit. Theta chose to. It's legitimate to ask "why?" (especially in the context of a high frequency PWM amplifier which by design has an hf filter at its output). If the answer is merely "we felt our customers would, by prejudice, expect a linear supply" that's fine by me. If they're exactly the same in capability I would buy the Theta over Bruno's Mola Mola because I'm a Theta fan and brand loyal, but Theta shouldn't be afraid to back their product implementation with technical explanations as to their design choices.

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Thanks Steve...I've gone the Computer route...with a mac mini...and it's just alot of steps to get it playing.
My wife needs it to be easy when I'm not around, and having to physically turn on the computer, switch back and forth with apps...
she gave up.....and then having to always remember to shut it down when we travel....
so I'm looking for an all in one solution! HDMI would be great to find on a player...but haven't found one yet!

Maybe at CES in a few weeks I'll see something?
Have you looked into the Oppo 10x players? I have a Synology NAS networked to a 103 and I'm able to play high res files from HDTracks, SACD and DVD-A discs all with a HDMI interface into the CB. The Oppo has a nice iPad app that manages the playback from the network very easily. Not a bad way to go especially if you also want a disc spinner.
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Have you looked into the Oppo 10x players? I have a Synology NAS networked to a 103 and I'm able to play high res files from HDTracks, SACD and DVD-A discs all with a HDMI interface into the CB. The Oppo has a nice iPad app that manages the playback from the network very easily. Not a bad way to go especially if you also want a disc spinner.
Thank...I forgot about that.
When I researched that a while back...the iPad app was not all the great....but I'm guessing it has been updated.
Can you make playlist....and arrange tracks in a playlist with the Oppo App?
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