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Remote app with RS-232 feedback for Casablanca III?

I know Irule can give you feedback from a Casablanca over rs-232, but I have read that it takes some time learning and programming irule and that it is not very intuitive. I was wondering if there was any other remote app that allowed you to get feedback from a Casablanca?

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Agreed - in general, it doesn't seem to make sense. However, it depends upon the speaker. A dealer here in Phoenix, Celestial Audio/Video (open for 20 years and now closed), made their own speakers. They had a little $400/pair of speakers as the least expensive speaker in their lines of speakers. The speakers sounded amazing, considering their size and when put with lower priced electronics. I heard that speaker with many different systems in their store. However, one day, when they were put into a system with a $10,000 amp and a $9,000 preamp (Pass Labs equipment), they sounded huge and absolutely incredible. The improvement was unbelievable.

Hopefully, folks don't take these things too literally - for example the 1/3,1/3,1/3 thing (I know the post was not meant to be taken literally). If taken literally, then we'd never be able to pair the new Dreadnaught D at $10K with a CBIV+Extreme DACs at nearly $25K - a 2.5X difference.

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Yes, Celestial Audio/Video were very talented!!!@@@ Every system they had no matter how expensive or inexpensive sounded nice!

You know, I started out circa 1993 with five Spica TC 60s on stands in my old basement theater. Those speakers were quite revealing.
Yet they MSRP I think about a grand a pair. You could hook up very expensive electronics, cables, etc and they continued to sound better.
But from a practical economic standpoint, if you "listen" (look) hard enough, you can always find some bargains in speakers which simply sound outstanding at their price point, yet I wouldn't recommend hooking up a $10k let alone a $20k SSP to these speakers.

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I'm sure some would also argue that the money should first be spent to get better speakers, rather than more expensive electronics.

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I'm sure some would also argue that the money should first be spent to get better speakers, rather than more expensive electronics.

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In some aspect, yes. IMHO, components that are electro-mechanical interface such as cartridges and speakers tend to sound *significantly* differently from each other (I always say they are all "equalizers" ) and hence arguably have the largest influence on overall sound.

And sure, rule of third is not to be taken literally; it's just a reminder that any system is only as good as its weakest component. There is even an explanation for it in my mind: cheaper components tend to make things sound the same due to their low so called "resolving power," as opposed to more expensive/better components, which tend to MAGNIFY differences. To use an extreme example, a $200 speaker will likely make Casablanca sound same as a receiver - no point in doing this.

BTW I think the reason Steve B and I tend to be saying the same thing is that we have just been through way too many components over the years LOL. You start with a 15k processor; next thing you WILL find out it demands 10k amp, 15k speakers, etc., etc. It shouldn't bed the rule, but it always tends to be that way. There is no short cut such as an Emotiva sounding the same as the Casablanca.

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...There is no short cut such as an Emotiva sounding the same as the Casablanca.
Have you heard the XMC-1? I would not discount it because of price. For me, it's already beaten $12K-$14K processors. That's why I'd like to see if I can get a loaner on a Casablanca (not to beat a dead horse, of course!)

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Have you heard the XMC-1? I would not discount it because of price. For me, it's already beaten $12K-$14K processors. That's why I'd like to see if I can get a loaner on a Casablanca (not to beat a dead horse, of course!)

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Sorry, but I've been around and used and demod enough audio electronics over the years to also know there are no "short cuts" to audio nirvana.

I guarentee in my system one would clearly hear the difference between the Emotiva and CB3HD or CB4. That's not to say that the Emotiva isn't an outstanding performer for the price. In more typical rooms and systems the Emotivq is at the right price point and particularly more appropriate pricewise than a CB if your 98% focus is movies/tv and your total system budget say is $10k to $20k; or perhaps you luv music but you have a separate preamp for music and limit your budget for movies/tv.

But just cause the CB may sound better even in your system, is buying one appropriate given your own/family financial concerns as well as your % focus movies/tv vs music, etc? Only you can determine this? ANd is the percentage of sonic improvement worth it to you given all the considerations you have to make?

Dave, in your system and room, as you have good "ears", I bet you would hear the sonic improvement with the CB3HD or CB4. But is it worth the extra bucks you would have to spend for the % of sonic improvement. That would be up to you!
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Sorry, but I've been around and used and demod enough audio electronics over the years to also know there are no "short cuts" to audio nirvana.

I guarentee in my system one would clearly hear the difference between the Emotiva and CB3HD or CB4. That's not to say that the Emotiva isn't an outstanding performer for the price. In more typical rooms and systems the Emotivq is at the right price point and particularly more appropriate pricewise than a CB if your 98% focus is movies/tv and your total system budget say is $10k to $20k; or perhaps you luv music but you have a separate preamp for music and limit your budget for movies/tv.

But just cause the CB may sound better even in your system, is buying one appropriate given your own/family financial concerns as well as your % focus movies/tv vs music, etc? Only you can determine this? ANd is the percentage of sonic improvement worth it to you given all the considerations you have to make?

Dave, in your system and room, as you have good "ears", I bet you would hear the sonic improvement with the CB3HD or CB4. But is it worth the extra bucks you would have to spend for the % of sonic improvement. That would be up to you!
Thanks Steve - great points as usual - and I very much appreciate it! (you know me well!) I guess I will only know the answers, if I ever have a chance to get a CB3HD or CB4 in my system for comparison. I don't think there's a chance of that, so I will continue to enjoy the XMC-1. Soon, I will have a Dreadnaught D to go with it too

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Sorry, but I've been around and used and demod enough audio electronics over the years to also know there are no "short cuts" to audio nirvana.

I guarentee in my system one would clearly hear the difference between the Emotiva and CB3HD or CB4. That's not to say that the Emotiva isn't an outstanding performer for the price. In more typical rooms and systems the Emotivq is at the right price point and particularly more appropriate pricewise than a CB if your 98% focus is movies/tv and your total system budget say is $10k to $20k; or perhaps you luv music but you have a separate preamp for music and limit your budget for movies/tv.

But just cause the CB may sound better even in your system, is buying one appropriate given your own/family financial concerns as well as your % focus movies/tv vs music, etc? Only you can determine this? ANd is the percentage of sonic improvement worth it to you given all the considerations you have to make?

Dave, in your system and room, as you have good "ears", I bet you would hear the sonic improvement with the CB3HD or CB4. But is it worth the extra bucks you would have to spend for the % of sonic improvement. That would be up to you!
Not to compare CB3HD or CB4 with XMC-1 since I have never heard them, but the strongest point of XMC-1 is music. Based on some tests by users XMC-1 is on the same level with Oppo 105. Really amazing SSP. If Emotiva was a boutique name like CB, Krell, Classe etc., this unit should have been easy in the 5 digit price point especially with Dirac Live.
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Thanks Steve - great points as usual - and I very much appreciate it! (you know me well!) I guess I will only know the answers, if I ever have a chance to get a CB3HD or CB4 in my system for comparison. I don't think there's a chance of that, so I will continue to enjoy the XMC-1. Soon, I will have a Dreadnaught D to go with it too

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What amp are you using now and would you give me your comparison with Dreadnaught D when you receive it.
Is there any news when they will ship the Dreadnaught D?
I thought based on some news they could ship it last week.
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What amp are you using now and would you give me your comparison with Dreadnaught D when you receive it.
Is there any news when they will ship the Dreadnaught D?
I thought based on some news they could ship it last week.
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Currently, I have a 7 channel Krell S-1500 that has been upgraded by The Upgrade Company. I've also had the Cary 7.250, B&K Ref 200.7, Cary 500MB monos, Pass Labs X5+X350. I'll definitely be happy to share my experience with the new Dreadnaught D and how it compares to the others.

I think there's some show this weekend where Theta will be debuting the Dreadnaught D. My guess is that they can start shipping within a short time after this debut.

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Currently, I have a 7 channel Krell S-1500 that has been upgraded by The Upgrade Company. I've also had the Cary 7.250, B&K Ref 200.7, Cary 500MB monos, Pass Labs X5+X350. I'll definitely be happy to share my experience with the new Dreadnaught D and how it compares to the others.

I think there's some show this weekend where Theta will be debuting the Dreadnaught D. My guess is that they can start shipping within a short time after this debut.

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Currently, I have a 7 channel Krell S-1500 that has been upgraded by The Upgrade Company. I've also had the Cary 7.250, B&K Ref 200.7, Cary 500MB monos, Pass Labs X5+X350. I'll definitely be happy to share my experience with the new Dreadnaught D and how it compares to the others.

I think there's some show this weekend where Theta will be debuting the Dreadnaught D. My guess is that they can start shipping within a short time after this debut.

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I would suggest not sending any equipment worthy of discussion in this forum to the Upgrade Company. While I firmly believe his hype is 100% BS on any gear, even cheap commodityBest buy stuff, why would you expose an expensive high end piece of gear to this hack shop?

I mean really, Theta, Krell left out performance that this non-engineer working out of a garage can implement?

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I would suggest not sending any equipment worthy of discussion in this forum to the Upgrade Company. While I firmly believe his hype is 100% BS on any gear, even cheap commodityBest buy stuff, why would you expose an expensive high end piece of gear to this hack shop?

I mean really, Theta, Krell left out performance that this non-engineer working out of a garage can implement?
Interesting how folks with zero experience say things like this. I've had many items upgraded by TUC - always an improvement. But, it's better to discuss this in a PM or another thread. I don't want to take part in derailing this thread.

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Interesting how folks with zero experience say things like this.
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Define zero expereince?

Yes I have absolutly no experience comparing his work to stock products.

But I have substantial experience with the technical claims he makes and find them abusively out of context with proven reality.

I just find it interesting that anyone would spend the money for the ultra products discussed here then subject them to these unauthorized modifications? I mean isn't the point of buying this high end pedigree gear so that you have the best build quality right out of the gate? After all, we aren't talking about $399 Denon AV receivers here.

Will Theta and Krell even service a product for T&M that has been modified by TUC? I wouldn't be surprised if they refuse to touch it.

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I don't want to take part in derailing this thread.
Probably best not to bring it up, then.
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Probably best not to bring it up, then.
You always seem to show up when TUC is mentioned. Someone asked me about the amp that I have and I gave an answer - I simply answered the question. Someone else (Glimmie) then took things further.

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You always seem to show up when TUC is mentioned. Someone asked me about the amp that I have and I gave an answer - I simply answered the question. Someone else (Glimmie) then took things further.

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