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post #1 of 13 Old 01-22-2012, 07:44 AM - Thread Starter
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Just upgraded my center from an MBL 121 RC to a 101e, to go along with my 101e mains. What a difference in the soundstage. The surrounds are MBL 111e's. The amplification is all Bryston. Pick your amp poison, but they should all be the same. In line for a Mark Seaton sub makeover, and I should be good to go!

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So without having a myriad of amps to a/b from, how do you match a set of speakers to an amp?

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What I meant was match all the speakers, and find the amp that you like. Pretty simple, right? Of course, you should see how many amps I've gone through, til I settled on the Brystons.

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So without having a myriad of amps to a/b from, how do you match a set of speakers to an amp?

Subjective reasoning and Pavlovian reinforcement through internet forum participation?
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Curt, I think he's saying that all the speakers should match and all the amplification should match. Not necessarily matching amplification to loudspeakers. David has audiophile tendencies and currently an ineffective room correction system- so matching is particularly important in his room. I've heard it, and I'm sure that the different center made a huge difference. The previous center was rather anemic in comparison to the left and right mains.

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Dan, all very true. I actually didn't realize how much I was missing. Hopefully, Mark can sort out some of the bass issues, as well.

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No question it's an interesting phenomenon. I'm not sure I subscribe to it (and no, I'm not starting a double blind test argument here!), but I know many of you do.

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Congrats on the update, MBL makes some incredible speakers. I own a pair of there 9008a's that drive my magico V3's and they are still my favorite amp, even after hearing Soulution or Dartzeel.
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Just upgraded my center from an MBL 121 RC to a 101e, to go along with my 101e mains. What a difference in the soundstage.

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When I did the same, ran a full range identical floor standing speaker, the result was the same. Resale on a single floor stander though sucks. Are you using an AT screen?

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When I did the same, ran a full range identical floor standing speaker, the result was the same. Resale on a single floor stander though sucks. Are you using an AT screen?

I have a Stewart Studiotek 1.3 AT screen. It's a good thing that resale sucks so much, since I bought mine used, off Audiogon. I had actually considered buying a pair of 111e's and storing one of the speakers, but I got a screaming deal on a single 101e. I had a RC center which I sold for what I paid for it( also bought used)
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Active speaker systems (i.e. Genelec et al) represent the best match of amps to speakers.
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Dan, all very true. I actually didn't realize how much I was missing. Hopefully, Mark can sort out some of the bass issues, as well.

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Hi David,

No question that 3 well matching L/C/R speakers well integrated to a subwoofer system are responsible for 80+% of what makes for an impressive multi-channel soundstage. I expect to have plenty of options with the SubMersive HPs to make for a similarly impressive upgrade, especially when we get a good match to deliver the entire range without big holes in the response. Looking forward to it.

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