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Well... The talk is over.. I have a CB III HD with Extreme DACs up front and Superior II DACs in the back loaded in my rack for an extended stay.

I placed it close to my ADA Mach IV B for easy swapping of XLRs.

I'll spend the few days setting up, balancing the channels, setting crossovers and A/B testing vs my own SSP. I also want to see how reliable it is, too. Let's see what you get for $26,000!

I've been wanting to do thus for some time and finally this piece fell into my lap.

More to come. I just got this today.
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Wow, now there is a man who likes his kit! Lovely.

Very interested in the outcome of this, as I'm thinking of moving from suite 7.1hd to Mach IV b. or poss even an rs20i.
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Why? You hate Theta.

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Oh, THIS is going to be fun!

have fun with it, Jeff

I'm glad I get to just watch for once.

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Well... The talk is over.. I have a CB III HD with Extreme DACs up front and Superior II DACs in the back loaded in my rack for an extended stay.

I placed it close to my ADA Mach IV B for easy swapping of XLRs.

I'll spend the few days setting up, balancing the channels, setting crossovers and A/B testing vs my own SSP. I also want to see how reliable it is, too. Let's see what you get for $26,000!

I've been wanting to do thus for some time and finally this piece fell into my lap.

More to come. I just got this today.

Bland, you're the man. This is going to be interesting! bring it on!
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I can not believe it...what came over you...your good friend Steve is going to have a heart attack...

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I can not believe it...what came over you...your good friend Steve is going to have a heart attack...

This was predictable. The Bland has said many times that his theater system sounds good on movies and sucks on music. His findings will be predictable too, for anyone who has followed his Theta bashing antics!!@@

Go ahead, dentist Bland, drill away!!!@@@

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Jeff why didn't you wait for Dirac to come out. Are you going to use Trinnov with CBiii?
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Jeff why didn't you wait for Dirac to come out. Are you going to use Trinnov with CBiii?

A couple of reasons.

Dirac is still vaporware and I want to know what the sonics of this piece are like before the signal is manipulated.

I can put in my favorite, dynamic Blu ray movie tracks and concert discs in at full reference and see who keeps up with whom.

Any differences between the pieces I imagine will be nuance but the speed of the processing and 7.1 effects of the ADA might be tough to beat. We'll see. When you're asking $26,000 for an SSP, you gotta be super! I've said any SSP over $10K is a waste, so I'm excited to see if my theory holds.

Likely once all is set up, I'll have over a few AVS guys for a blind / double blind test.

Anyone have an 8 ch XLR switcher????

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Jeff did you purchase or you have it for eval?

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Jeff did you purchase or you have it for eval?

Evaluation. I hope to have it for 2-3 weeks so I can really get to know it.

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Likely once all is set up, I'll have over a few AVS guys for a blind / double blind test.

Anyone have an 8 ch XLR switcher????

It'll be fun for sure!

If you have one Xtreme card, 4 channels, and 1 Superior 2 card, 3 channels, you can not do 7.1 with the Casablanca.

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Why? You hate Theta.


It's not that I hate Theta, I just have never understood the over the top gushing of it by its owners and dismissing of all other SSPs. Well, now I have it in an ideal room and I can really see what this 'magic' is...

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It's not that I hate Theta, I just have never understood the over the top gushing of it by its owners and dismissing of all other SSPs. Well, now I have it in an ideal room and I can really see what this 'magic' is...

My California Audio Labd SSP2500 cost 5k and kicked the schit out of the Caaablanca II. Then Theta released the Xtreme dac which shifted the advantage. The Casablanca is a moving target. You will have to run the test again soon when Theta releases new 24/192 dacs at higher quality than the Xtremes.

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just have never understood the over the top gushing of it by its owners and dismissing of all other SSPs.

Why? That's what you do. That's what you are doing with the ADA and the Halcro before that.

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Evaluation. I hope to have it for 2-3 weeks so I can really get to know it.

Curious about your feedback. Keep us posted... Always fun to play with a new toy. Have fun with it..

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As well as son's girlfriends...

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Why? That's what you do. That's what you are doing with the ADA and the Halcro before that.

Actually, if you go back and read my posts, you'll see my biggest issue with the Theta (and its owners) was that there was no way this piece was as good as a full HDMI processor (Halcro) where all processing was done with the great Halcro DACs whereas the those still using the Theta and BLu Ray had to use BD player DACs and bypass the Theta all together!

As was expected, once the Theta CBIIIs rolled out, the sound of the new HDMI enabled CBIII was more 'open, dynamic and just plain better than the old 6Shooter, analog combo. The 6Shooter was the greatest thing and made the Theta better than any other HDMI processor many said but now, as I predicted, the 6Shooters are dead and essentially unusable if you want reference sound - even Craig has lamented such.

It'll be as good of a comparison as anyone on AVS has done with SSPs. And fair. I'll get 8-10 AVS guys over to sample things..

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As was expected, once the Theta CBIIIs rolled out, the sound of the new HDMI enabled CBIII was more 'open, dynamic and just plain better than the old 6Shooter, analog combo. The 6Shooter was the greatest thing and made the Theta better than any other HDMI processor many said but now, as I predicted, the 6Shooters are dead and essentially unusable if you want reference sound - even Craig has lamented such.

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It's not as clear cut as you think. The Six Shooter/Marantz combo beats the CB3HD with SACD. Also several owners have told me privately that the Six Shooter and their Blu-ray player are the equal of the HD upgrade. Now I expect the new dacs to raise the bar to a measured performance well beyond anything currently on the market. You also predicted the demise of Theta. How'd that work out .

Dirac Live will be the final reason to move to a completely digital path. Too bad you are not near me as I could help you out with your channel shortage for 7.1 by loaning you my Gen 8 series 3.

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It's not as clear cut as you think. The Six Shooter/Marantz combo beats the CB3HD with SACD. Also several owners have told me privately that the Six Shooter and their Blu-ray player are the equal of the HD upgrade. Now I expect the new dacs to raise the bar to a measured performance well beyond anything currently on the market. You also predicted the demise of Theta. How'd that work out .

Dirac Live will be the final reason to move to a completely digital path. Too bad you are not near me as I could help you out with your channel shortage for 7.1 by loaning you my Gen 8 series 3.


Would love that. But, this set up is already complicating enough. I can'
t speak to SACD. I am evaluating soley on Blu Ray move soundtracks and concerts. I do not have any sort of 2 channel set up (as a Microperf is not a positive for that!!).

But it should be fun. My weekend reading will be the Theta manual!!

Dirac Live will be a plus but ultimately the SSP has to sound good on its own. The Dirac will improve it but it easier to evaluate pre-Dirac (one less variable).

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Would love that. But, this set up is already complicating enough.

How is the test going to be set-up
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How is the test going to be set-up the CB3 running 5.1 and ADA doing 7.1?

I hope to 7.1 vs 7.1. Is there a reason the CBIII can't do 7.1 in certain configurations?

I'm simply going to set up and balance the CB III as my sole SSP and use it for a couple weeks and get to understand it. Then plan a day and do some A/B stuff.

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I hope to 7.1 vs 7.1. Is there a reason the CBIII can't do 7.1 in certain configurations?

Yes. You mention one Xtreme card, 4 channels and one Sup 2 card, 3 channels. That's only 7 channels and you need 8 for 7.1. The configuration you describe is usually a 5.2 set-up.

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I did take a rear photo. Here it is. Not a great photo but when I zoom it, I think I can see 10 XLRs ( and 5 single ended inputs).
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I did take a rear photo. Here it is. Not a great photo but when I zoom it, I think I can see 10 XLRs ( and 5 single ended inputs).

Looks like you have 2 Superior II cards, for a grand total of 4 + 2x3 = 10 discrete channels. You're in good shape.
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I hope to 7.1 vs 7.1. Is there a reason the CBIII can't do 7.1 in certain configurations?

I'm simply going to set up and balance the CB III as my sole SSP and use it for a couple weeks and get to understand it. Then plan a day and do some A/B stuff.

are you using PEQ in the ADA, and if so, are you planning to disengage it for the shootout?
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are you using PEQ in the ADA, and if so, are you planning to disengage it for the shootout?

No PEQ in ADA.

Using QSC DSPs which I can bypass. But I will try CBIII vs ADA with and without EQ.

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I did take a rear photo. Here it is. Not a great photo but when I zoom it, I think I can see 10 XLRs ( and 5 single ended inputs).

Yeah your good. Should be fun.

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Anyone have an 8 ch XLR switcher????

Here is an idea. If you can get your hands on a six shooter, you can use it as a 6 channel input switcher. You would run the ADA into the balanced input #1 and set it at unity gain - this should be very close to fully transparent. Your CBIII output runs through the pass through input #3.

You can now switch between ADA and CBIII HD in real time with the CBIII remote control (assuming you have an HDMI source with dual outputs - if not you should get an Oppo 93 which has this feature).

I'm sure one of the estimeeded members of the forum still has a six shooter gathering dust (Steve?), that they would be willing to volunteer for this experiment.
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