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post #211 of 229 Old 09-02-2014, 11:44 PM
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I'm not going to lie. It look like a refined way to turn up the sharpness on your display. Highly overrated and not worth the money at all. I bet you MadVR will get you way better results.
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I'm not going to lie. It look like a refined way to turn up the sharpness on your display. Highly overrated and not worth the money at all.
Have you seen it? Or is this another theoretical condemnation?

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MadVR is very nice, but they are different things, one is not a substitute or alternative for the other. Excellent scaling (MadVR, Lumagen, etc) + Darbee is where it's at
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Have you seen it? Or is this another theoretical condemnation?



MadVR is very nice, but they are different things, one is not a substitute or alternative for the other. Excellent scaling (MadVR, Lumagen, etc) + Darbee is where it's at
I haven't but just judging from the screen caps it's easy to see it's not an improvement at all. I think a lot of it is confirmation bias and I'm not seeing the whole wow factor. If anything, the images look worse.
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I haven't but just judging from the screen caps it's easy to see it's not an improvement at all. I think a lot of it is confirmation bias and I'm not seeing the whole wow factor. If anything, the images look worse.
I thought so.

You really have to see it for yourself, 99% of the screenshots have it "calibrated" way too high to make the before/after obvious, and I agree most of the screenshots you see (even the ones on the Darbee site) do look worse with it engaged. But at moderate/appropriate settings, it doesn't look at all like sharpening, looks like an upgrade to a better display with higher MTF. The fine detail is clearer, and does not look "sharpened".
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I thought so.

You really have to see it for yourself, 99% of the screenshots have it "calibrated" way too high to make the before/after obvious, and I agree most of the screenshots you see (even the ones on the Darbee site) do look worse with it engaged. But at moderate/appropriate settings, it doesn't look at all like sharpening, looks like an upgrade to a better display with higher MTF. The fine detail is clearer, and does not look "sharpened".
Yeah but is it a $300 improvement? For that kind of money I could upgrade the GPU in my PC to something really nice and see a MAJOR improvement in gaming and even video. By running MadVR with NNEDi3 and image doubling at near max, I'm sure it would look a lot better than the Darbee. Plus you'd have horsepower for gaming as well.

The value just doesn't seem to be there.
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Yeah but is it a $300 improvement?
It's been the biggest improvement/$ I've put in my HT. I've done a few things with a bigger improvement, but they were way more expensive.

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By running MadVR with NNEDi3 and image doubling at near max, I'm sure it would look a lot better than the Darbee. Plus you'd have horsepower for gaming as well.
I think you're missing that they do entirely separate things. When I upgraded to a Lumagen XE, that was an improvement (this would be like you upgrading your PC and MadVR settings), but saying a Lumagen or MadVR look better than Darbee is like saying an amplifier sounds better than room correction, sure they're both in the audio chain, but they do different things and are not replacements for each other.
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It's been the biggest improvement/$ I've put in my HT. I've done a few things with a bigger improvement, but they were way more expensive.

I think you're missing that they do entirely separate things. When I upgraded to a Lumagen XE, that was an improvement (this would be like you upgrading your PC and MadVR settings), but saying a Lumagen or MadVR look better than Darbee is like saying an amplifier sounds better than room correction, sure they're both in the audio chain, but they do different things and are not replacements for each other.
Plus 1. I've had my Darblet 3 weeks now with a 1080p Epson Projector-120" screen. Will it blow your mind? No. But I wouldn't watch without it now. Best way I've seen it described is, it would be like removing protective plastic film from your tv screen. It is not like jacking your sharpness setting up. For me, I keep it right around 70-80 hi def (goes to 120). There is increased depth and no image ringing.
Negatives: IMO it does not work well for anything less than HD. Also if a film has much grain to it, it is enhanced as well.
But it was well worth $300. I haven't tried it with my Kuro because I'm sure I'll want another one!
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Just hooked up the darblet in my system. Haven't had a chance to watch a movie yet just direcTV. So far i can see the difference although not substantial i can see a difference. I keep turning it off and on to see what it is doing. After seeing what most peoples setting are i set mine on HD @ 81%. Plan on playing with it more when i have some time to sit with it.

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I have had 2 Darbees since they came out and still would not consider parting with either.
As "stanger89" says above, it is the best performance/$$$ I have ever spent on video improvements.

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I have had 2 Darbees since they came out and still would not consider parting with either.
As "stanger89" says above, it is the best performance/$$$ I have ever spent on video improvements.

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I have a Darblet on order. Problem I see with all the Darbee products is that they have just one input. I have a need to connect my cable box and my DVD player to my HDTV. Even their most expensive model has just one input. Seems kind of strange.
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I have my multiple inputs (Satellite tv, Oppo BDP-95, laser disc player) go to a video processor then to the Darbee and then to a projector. My plasma tv does not have the Darbee though.
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Anyone use the Darbee for DVD?
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Oppo 103D has Darby built in (fewer HDMI glitches than standalone) and has two HDMI inputs.

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I have a Darblet on order. Problem I see with all the Darbee products is that they have just one input. I have a need to connect my cable box and my DVD player to my HDTV. Even their most expensive model has just one input. Seems kind of strange.

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Just installed my new Darby today. Very pleased, especially when we compare the 0% to the 38%. I'm a satisfied customer.

The only minor complaint for me is that it interrupts the ARC signal from the TV to my DVR. But I think I've used that perhaps twice in the last year, so it's no biggie.
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I use it for BluRay, and it works great.
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Darbee Explained

I have the Darbee DVP-5000 hooked up to my DVR+, and the best way to explain my observation of what the Darbee does to the picture.
First i come from a professional video editing background, so i can say that my eye would see some picture enhancement or artifacts.
What i can honestly say without getting very technical, the Darbee takes any part of the dark part of the picture and gives it a kind of degradation so small that it appears to make the overall picture look 3D'ish. It's very ingenious and i give them credit for not making the picture look artificially enhanced.
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I have the Darbee DVP-5000 hooked up to my DVR+, and the best way to explain my observation of what the Darbee does to the picture.
First i come from a professional video editing background, so i can say that my eye would see some picture enhancement or artifacts.
What i can honestly say without getting very technical, the Darbee takes any part of the dark part of the picture and gives it a kind of degradation so small that it appears to make the overall picture look 3D'ish. It's very ingenious and i give them credit for not making the picture look artificially enhanced.
Yes, it is some form of contrast enhancement. There is a paper available on the technology. I don't know where but check their WEB site.
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