Originally Posted by audioguy;53413[B
002]With my very limited exposure to DTS:X, I did not find that to be the case -- at all
That is because you have heard systems following the latest best practices, probably, In my opinion these systems create the best experience for rows of 5 seats on average. That is not what I jumped head first into ATMOS during the gravity premiere at Dolby in October 2013. To recreate a dynamic multi object resolute superfluid holosonic scale accurate bubble around your head, put in simple terms. For my moon projects I aim to create a sweet spot such as we found at the cedia Alcons booth last year, there were maybe 20 seats, but on 3 seats alone, towards the back where the canopy of sound accidentally recreated what for 3 years i heard something i had given up as being too good to be achieved with a home atmos system, that experience reinforced the fact, just in those three seats that several here sat in and agree. Jeff, Mike Miles, Taker, Brad who redesigned his theater for just 2 rows of 3 after hearing that, well I guess we've broken away a shootoff of the immersive audio school of design, The Selfish Basterd's Club you can call us (and we will proudly wear the badge).
Basically when we create THE Listeners Exclusion Box
, we weed out the leechers and by being more selective with more intimate focus, we aim to elevate the experience to it's most intensive manifestation possible psychoacoustically speaking, the same goes for the uwcg hdr. Like the creator in Blade Runner more real than real is our motto..
this is a term defined i think from Arnaud. Typically the listeners exclusion box is defined by the tops in front of the furthest front row all the way to the back of the last row, then the right tops are aligned with the right arm of the rightmost seat and the left arm of the outermost left seat. That is what an exclusion box should be according to the rules.
But i rather be a selfish basterd any day over being a stupid basterd.
A personal choice i'll admit.
On the second next video (at restaurant) I was trying to translate in my head and forming a sentence of the fly, I was not criticizing Adam who has had 32 speakers at home (albeit horns so My nose remains pointing up at that clarification- horns do suckk so bad...), it's just that he said in the past that you cannot create a better-than-subwoofer experience by placing full Range Surrounds around a one time aligned seat. Bob Stuart said that in 1995 and it proved right for my lab the same year (since then subwoofers to me are a bit overrated) so he said something to that effect whatever, the point I was slowly trying articulate is that No subs can yield a better more natural bass. But hear it from the SUBBASS superfreak Himself Taker,
that after him hounding me for 2 days with repeated "where is the bass?"took Mark Seaton 45 minutes of tweaking for him to be satisfied with a bunch of 18" drivers last cedia. After thanks to reconnecting source from kaleidescape to oppo last CEDIA to play Gary Rebers awesonme 13.1 auro (although really screw Auro sorry Barco - AUROMAX for orchestral music and old films yes! Auro NO) the surround processors memories for bass management that took 2 hours had vanished, ruining the sound for the first part of the all night birthday extravaganza
, that Mark was able to save at 2 am. For which I am forever indebted.
There are six more channels added as we speak In The HIE mini-lab that when he was here. Also NO CENTER. When the speakers phantom well ....But if Dynaudio can sell me the unnessesarily bauhaus ornate new contour 25 center in a Focus classic line (the greatest aesthetical achievement in the history of dynaudio (which the esotar line is my reference since 1996 for not needing calibration except time alignment and volume matching- which blowing up woofers took me to Quested and Later Alcons but in my universe everything else sits in a pile on the bottom of a near bottomless pit). Succinctly stated, if you don't own any these three brands and Ill admit Dynaudio has the best potential for all passive 36 speaker setups, since the more speakers you add the less easy is to overload them, except the LCR and wides (we need focus 380 enclosure for the LEFT LEFT WIDTH and the mirror and centers for their exquisite 40 anniversary gloss birch speakers, which have 100,000,000 channel sufficient Penthouse with Wall to wall CLEDIS written ALL OVER IT (Think Miami 2020 where 500 32 channel systems can be sold, and powered by ATI digital amps, ill show everyone next year what is possible there). Of course there will be the typical AVARICE PARASTES copying my concepts in this next Miami immersive systems boom, but they will all get slapped with malpractice suits when they come up to the ankles of what my planned designs will be.
So in mydevelopmentlab, i ripped out all seats but one. And I have surrounded that seat with some classic dynaudio monolith floorstander discontinued focus 380's for lr and widths, focus 340 for surrounds, focus 260 for sides surround+ width fills using a pair of meridian 561 to extract via trifield, and four pole mounted excite 180 all cosmetically matched in walnut. This in a room reminiscent of a large suite in a Holiday in Express, the big prize in sight are those 2,000 multimillion dollar PH's going up in Miami for 2018-20. So you want to create incredible immersive audio without annoying neighbors too much, that is my suggestion that any company about to deliver a next gen platform copy some of these capabilities from Marantz, that and the remote. What an incredible remote that little marantz remote is. If I was Datasat I would buy it and slap the label on it. Touchscreens and High Spl High Adrenaline High Serotonin systems simply don't work together as the body reacts to the amazing immersion in many ways but starting by (you guessed it) sweat in the hands (see takers dead mouse video case in point) truly impossible controlling quickly on the fly. This is such a brilliant ergonomic design that works every time and the lit rubberised buttons and control logic is just a joy to use., I love John my programmer and best friend and soon to be partner with Brian on the Ultimate Screen masking rigs, but nothing in my 40 years doing immersive audio and video comes close to the marantz remote. not perfect just the closest to it. That remote and using fir filtering and other dsp to attenuate sound that travels through walls into a flat next to you. As unselfish as that sounds it is a great feature, that impacts minimally on the soundfield immersive wise.
In The Holiday Inn Express Lab Everything is time aligned to one seat. The exclusion box is created using the cinema formula. about 2 seats wide, but the angles are constant to the one seat so opens up a bit. The 4 misely tops (you need 10 to 14 (rerendered from the 10 a la cp-850/ims-3000)- 8 minimum)are within the separation guidelines identified by me based on latest iterations of the Damaske And Wagener seminal work.
This is the first Tops separation maximised layout as going in in NAIAD. It also will be the exact setup at CEDIA 2017 IMMERSIONLAND's red velvet seats to try prove concept.
Am I a sucker for stress self flagellation or what?
In that selfish basterd of a reference setup, the fluidity of atmos vs. dts-x is extremely clear your head is virtually held by the fixed channels overhead, as you turn your head something is not fluid. In fact i despise DTS-X for whoring out their initial 32 channel concept with 3 speakers underneath the mains left center right. I do love Neural -X literally ranting for 2 minutes to the former Atmos director (What the hell were you thinking LEAVING OUT THE WIDTH CHANNELS! -he is now the ww head of cinema atmos
Bryan Garcia and Adam witnessed that moment WHICH Had been preceded by 10 minutes flowing river of accolades
Andrew Poulain is someone that is very intrigued by the selfish bastard school of channel sufficient design and is coming to listen to Naiad and Loge and maybe the next holiday inn express rig).
So for CEDIA we will cover the selfish basterd's seats in red velvet coverings
, the rest are regular ballroom rental seats. I only wish there would be a processor that would give a clean digital signal to more than 16 channels because you can pick them apart a mile away which sound great and which border on crappiness. I know my standards are very cruel, but I believe we are getting closer than ever in our objective of clean, fatigue free, transparent sound with speakers every 15 degrees on the ATMOS 24 bed layer and 10 to 14 on the tops. In a small room, and don't say it can't happen because it does 24/7/365 in a Holiday Inn Express suite.
If at cedia again this year, do ask to be seated in the red velvet selfish basterd's seats.
The only way people can without uncertainty write off the notion that I am a total lunatic on a disruptive immersive winding.
At least I give some people the chance to listen to my madness and make up their own mind. Winner take all or .... crash and burn, such is the life on the edge of IMMERSIONLAND dot COM
****** A heartfelt personal thought:
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I ONLY feel hate towards two kinds of people and if my skull could crack open and a beam could bounce off satellites and target every AVARICE PARASITE that has done harm to our noble cause, to vaporize that group of individuals along with the much worser personally detestable of all, those that have burned my mother's effigy in kind. She was the greatest human to ever walk this earth and IMMERSIONLAND would not exist without her, beautiful, self deprecating, a wonderful musician, a Yad Vashem Heroine seeking no recognition for herself but for her Friends that later reciprocated the favor to help escape from Fidel's firing squad. You name it she was all that.And she never ever lied. So effigy burning of my Mom is not acceptable, which has now happened 4 times directly connected to the Boston Area Audio Industry Market Intelligence Mafia which sadly appears to have infected the channel sufficient processor market, do the math 48 speakers and amps instead of 8, of course they need to control the gateway
to that JUGGERNAUT OF ALL GRAVY TRAINS: THE SURROUND PROCESSOR. I have names and dates with pictures, but I am too busy fulfilling my life's dream, i'm going to be 59 this year time will run out eventually, I have undergone malicious deep pocketed personal attacks on my very existence since I first co-founded CEDIA but heavily intensified in September 2014.
FOR EXAMPLE a crime committed through same new england based Market Research firm who unimpugnable manslaughtered maliciously the living spitting image of my mother in Phrona Smith (RIP) in 2011 my epileptic girlfriend with a gumshoe stalker pointing a strobe flashlight at her face in ambush at my parking garage. AFTER ME WARNING 24 hours prior HIM NOT TO DO IT THE NEXT DAY BECAUSE MY EPILEPTIC GIRLFRIEND was visiting; she then dropped FROM A STAIRWELL and cracked her skull dying 3 months later. All because I was writing in this forum the truth that was inconvenient to their business interests. It is a trillion dollar industry the connected living room, these mystery shopping companies do more nefarious things than comparison shopping, they run black ops,
harassment through private dicks has grown like skynet, and people are dying from it. I swear on my life. They also have multiple plants in the Trinnov thread that every time I say the insult equivalent of jaywalking they report me and i get banned from the forum, 20 years hanging out in this forum and 90% of my infractions are these cowards, New England audio mafia apparatchiks bidding black ops in the Trinnov Owners thread. Believe It or not. If I get banned forever ,cause one more strike and I am out of these hallowed walls forever, remember this post.
So If some mad scientist can device such CRANIAL WEAPONIZATION beam contraption, i will gladly donate my living body today for such brain weaponization, in order to banish from the face of what should be an ABSOLUTE TRUTH IMMERSIVE MARKETPLACE these lowlife murdering and intellectual property thieving thugs. iF THIS SOUNDS LIKE A KURT VONNEGUT jR. FICTION PASSAGE, REMEMBER ONE THING AND ONE THING ALONE. Like my mother I NEVER LIE... Help me stop MYSTERY SHOPPER/Market Research Firms BLOGGER-INTIMIDATION TACTICS.