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schlitzie's Avatar schlitzie 11:08 AM 04-04-2013
No need to currently as my RS35 is putting out the absolute best image it is capable of -- and it really is quite good. While I do have the urge to upgrade, I want to change my screen first, to go from 16:9 to CinemaScope. Maybe later this year if the income gods smile on me

ceenhad's Avatar ceenhad 05:46 AM 04-05-2013
Oh my - what do I see here? RA7300 and RA2400 running the demo room at Datasat I think!


ceenhad's Avatar ceenhad 05:47 AM 04-05-2013
The back of the room showing the Cineversum Blackwing projector, the tiny little Wisdom Audio P2i surrounds and the lovely CinemaTech chairs.


multimedes's Avatar multimedes 06:12 AM 04-05-2013
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Yes I am able to communicate using the Putty Lan IP connection but cannot communicate using the PUTTY com port connection. Are you using IP or Comport?
The only reason I am testing with PUTTY is because I have written my AMX code but it also will not connect.
I have changed cables, tested with another piece of equipment which works but no joy with the RS20i. I do get garbage down the link when first powered on but no response from the commands.
Also to get the IP connection working I needed to leave the CR off as using PUTTY to enter the command you hit the enter key which itself is a CR. All commands then worked via IP.
Just to add I have tried all the obvious baud rate speeds from 9600-115K.

Answer to my own question:

HEY PRESTO!!! Made up a new RS232 cable with just pins 2,3 and 5 connected and everything works fine. Should have followed the diagram in the manual.
So a standard straight through RS232 cable fully populated does not work, but I should have known that, but did not think of it until 1.30am this morning, 3 days wasted.

The clue that triggered my thought process was Datasat support, after I sent then a log print out, telling me there should be no garbage received from the Control port, after a hard reboot, therefore I concluded some other connection was causing this on reboot and then the penny dropped.

Thanks again Datasat for the support.
CINERAMAX's Avatar CINERAMAX 07:09 PM 04-14-2013
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Peter, Are you using Netlinx?

Yes, but duracomm is the programmer.
ceenhad's Avatar ceenhad 02:48 AM 04-16-2013
Just got the news that a very desirable piece of upgrade hardware will be in my hands on Thursday smile.gif
stephenbr's Avatar stephenbr 02:59 AM 04-16-2013
Is that the Dolby HD expansion card Neil?
ceenhad's Avatar ceenhad 11:30 AM 04-16-2013
:-)
djnickuk's Avatar djnickuk 03:52 AM 04-18-2013
New firmware update available! I guess to coincide with today's release of the dsp card.....
djnickuk's Avatar djnickuk 04:27 AM 04-18-2013
I would suggest you DO NOT update the machine until you have your new decoder card. I just did and need to roll it back as it looks for the decoder card and I can not get any sound out of the pro so its back to the previous firmware until my card is delivered.
stephenbr's Avatar stephenbr 04:55 AM 04-18-2013
I wonder whether Datasat will take this opportunity to update the RS20i's manual?
CINERAMAX's Avatar CINERAMAX 07:16 PM 04-22-2013
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Peter, Are you using Netlinx?

Yes it is.
djnickuk's Avatar djnickuk 12:10 PM 04-25-2013
Oh happy days......

Phil from Genesis kindly dropped my DSP update card to me this afternoon.

Installation is a breeze. All instructions are included. But basically one takes the included USB stick and insert into the USB input on the front of the RS20i. Then navigate to the update menu and select to update from USB stick. You can of course update from the main server also. USB stick is a lot fast tho.

Once the software is updated you turn the machine off at the rear. Unplug and then strap yourself to the machine using the included Anti-static wrist strap and remove the very top expansion port cover.

Once removed, take the new dsp card and carefully insert into the slot down the guide rails and firmly push into place. Screw the two end screws back into place and that's it, jobs done.

Plug back in, turn on and enjoy. Your RS20i is now THE MOST POWERFUL PROCESSOR AVAILABLE.

My HT room is in the final stages of being overhauled but as soon as I have finished, this weekend, I will get to experimenting with DTS NEO X and in particular the wide speakers. If I like the sound with wides then I shall get wides installed ready for when Neil comes to calibrate the now 16 channels of Dirac Live!

Here are some pics of the card and some screen shots of the new screens. I'm currently listening in 2 channel mode with phantom centres and surrounds so I can not really comment about any audio improvements.











GGA's Avatar GGA 02:11 PM 04-25-2013
Thanks very much for the info and the pics. Never imagined installation would be so easy.

I got a missive from Datasat saying I can expect my card sometime in May, so it looks like the colonies are lagging a bit behind.
stephenbr's Avatar stephenbr 03:27 PM 04-25-2013
Thanks Nick - interesting to note the option on the last screen shot called 'Direct Mode' that appears to be new - have you tried that?
ceenhad's Avatar ceenhad 03:27 PM 04-25-2013
Just the benefit of knowing the right people wink.gif
GGA's Avatar GGA 03:42 PM 04-25-2013
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Thanks Nick - interesting to note the option on the last screen shot called 'Direct Mode' that appears to be new - have you tried that?

This is in the current menu under Decoder options. The explanation I received when I queried Datasat was:

DD/DTS is still decoded.
Dirac, EQ, Parametrics, bass/treble and HP/LP filters are disabled.

stephenbr's Avatar stephenbr 03:51 PM 04-25-2013
Thx GGA - I hadn't noticed it before.
djnickuk's Avatar djnickuk 07:35 AM 05-08-2013
Well had a chance to play around with my front height channels and Neo x / pl2z yesterday.

Mind blowing. I'm only running 7.0H at the mo as I am still finishing off the room, but from my first experiments the heights deliver a great deal to the mix.

I was a bit sceptical at first but once I heard what they do I am more than impressed. NEO X Being a fair bit better than pl2z IMO. Better steering and dynamics. Also better centre channel dialogue.

Watched abit of Elementry and the new Hannible thing. Atmospherics are stunning. Gun shots ringing around really quite realistically. And listening to 2 channel music content upmatrixed to NEO X 7.1H is really good. A live performance, say Adele in the royal Albert hall delivers a massive open sound stage that makes the ceiling feel as tho its much higher than it is.

I now can not wait to get the full 11.2 system all running, which should be this weekend, all being well.
sdurani's Avatar sdurani 11:36 AM 05-08-2013
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NEO X Being a fair bit better than pl2z IMO. Better steering and dynamics. Also better centre channel dialogue.
Were you comparing Neo:X to PLIIz using a multi-channel mix? Or were you extracting dialogue from a 2-channel movie soundtrack?
djnickuk's Avatar djnickuk 03:22 PM 05-08-2013
I was experimenting with 2 channel PCM and 5.1 dd. I always prefered PL2 to neo 6 but, to me, neo x seems a bit better.
Roger Dressler's Avatar Roger Dressler 05:09 PM 05-08-2013
^^ If you are saying Neo:X gives >>better centre channel dialogue<< than PLIIz when using 5.1 sources, it's a little confusing because neither process touches the center channel. It is possible that the processes cause a difference in overall gain (including the center channel), so that would have to be checked with a test disc.
GGA's Avatar GGA 06:05 PM 05-08-2013
DTS has these rather mysterious statements on their website that I have wondered about for awhile:

Cinema mode: This mode offers a clear and enhanced Center channel that makes center stage action stand out in movie soundtracks, with a firm position for dialogue. It also enables listeners to experience the full audio effect across a wider range of audience seating.

Music mode (enhanced immersion for music): In this mode, use of the Center channel is more controlled to prevent narrowing of the front of the musical soundstage.


Any idea what they mean?

http://www.dts.com/professionals/sound-technologies/audio-processing/dts-3d-audio.aspx
noah katz's Avatar noah katz 06:47 PM 05-08-2013
Sounds like a fancy way of saying higher center level for the former and less for the latter
Roger Dressler's Avatar Roger Dressler 11:14 PM 05-08-2013
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DTS has these rather mysterious statements on their website that I have wondered about for awhile:

Cinema mode: This mode offers a clear and enhanced Center channel that makes center stage action stand out in movie soundtracks, with a firm position for dialogue. It also enables listeners to experience the full audio effect across a wider range of audience seating.

Music mode (enhanced immersion for music): In this mode, use of the Center channel is more controlled to prevent narrowing of the front of the musical soundstage.


Any idea what they mean?]
Yes. But be advised, these statements only pertain to 2-ch sources.

The Cinema mode (analogous to Dolby PLII's Movie mode), extracts dialog from the L/R and steers it to the center speaker. That leads to the benefits described.

Music mode leaves some of the "dialog" (i.e., main vocals) in the L/R. In PLII, the Center Width control varies the dialog distribution from 2-ch pure phantom, to full center, and several steps between, one of which is the default setting used for Music mode.
djnickuk's Avatar djnickuk 04:01 AM 05-09-2013
Roger has that description nailed!

But what I was eluding to was that Dolby pl2z seems to 'bleed' thru a bit of centre dialogue into the heights. This doesn't happen with Neo X.
Roger Dressler's Avatar Roger Dressler 12:43 PM 05-09-2013
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But what I was eluding to was that Dolby pl2z seems to 'bleed' thru a bit of centre dialogue into the heights. This doesn't happen with Neo X.
Is that bleed coming from center channel or L/R? If you play a test disc of center only, with the center speaker muted, does PLIIz make a sound?
djnickuk's Avatar djnickuk 01:48 PM 05-09-2013
Ill give that test a whirl tomorrow and report back! But my thoughts were that pl2z was sending some centre channel dialogue to the front heights.
yagmeister's Avatar yagmeister 03:00 AM 05-11-2013
Hi

I need some help. I just had the new Dolby Digital card installed. Everything seems to work fine but when I look at what the Datasat is processing when I play a Dolby Digital TrueHD bluray (Mission Impossible :Ghost Protocol), it show output as 7.1 and on the right hand side shows me 3/2/1 and underneath that DTS 48K, if i enable DTS NEO X then it shows me DTS 48K + DTS:NEO X. DRC is set to On/TRUEHD-AUTO.

Where I am getting confused is that if I am play a DDTrueHD disc should it not show that instead of DTS 48K and then what ever post processing we are doing? I guess I expect to see DDTrueHD somewhere on the screen as the source. My Oppo shows that it is outputting DDTrueHD.

Is this a bug or do I need to change some setting?


Thanks for your help on this.
djnickuk's Avatar djnickuk 04:47 AM 05-11-2013
Yagmeister I am not sure what is going on there. But this is what it should be displaying,

If I have DRC engaged or not, it makes no difference to the main screen.






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