I just ordered the Cross Spectrum labs usb mic so I can get started with REW soon.
I have been digging around for data on that loopback issue today. Do you use it for subwoofer distances? I found this info which says it doesn't work for subs...
If using a loopback as a reference REW can calculate the delay through the system being measured and show it in the measurement Info panel as "System Delay" in milliseconds, with the equivalent distance in feet and metres shown in brackets. Note that delay values are not accurate for subwoofer measurements due to the limited bandwidth of the subwoofer response, the delay estimate is based on the location of the peak of the impulse response and subwoofers have a broad peak and a delayed response.
I see a mic input in the back of the Datasat so what is this used for?
These sort of features are easily found in super cheap processors.
Also note that storm sdp16 is already shipping with Auro so not first there either...
The bigger problem to me between these two is that consumers can't just "pick" one or both. The speaker layouts are different. If I choose an Atmos layout of 7 or 9 "bed" speakers and then add ceiling heights I am fine, but Auro would want to see height speakers above all of my "bed" speakers. But Atmos presumably wouldn't be using those surround heights, correct?
I guess I answered my own question in that I could do a full Auro setup and it would pretty much include everything I needed for Atmos, but its possible lots of speakers could go unused (barring upmixing) by native Atmos.
Or do I misunderstand something?
I'm looking for the Hollywood blockbusters encrypted with Auro. There are a few.
Commercial releases so far:
01) Red Tails
02) Rise of the Guardians *
03) Oz the Great & Powerful *
04) The Croods *
05) Turbo *
06) Elysium *
07) Ender's Game *
08) I, Frankenstein *
09) Mr. Peabody & Sherman *
11) Amazing Spider-Man 2 *
12) How to Train Your Dragon 2 *
13) Transformers: Age of Extinction *
14) Expendables 3 *
* Also mixed in Atmos, leaving only 2 exclusives in Auro: Red Tails and Oculus.
ALL those DreamWorks Animation titles are also mixed in Atmos.
There's lots of foreign films in that list.
If you're looking for Hollywood blockbusters, as you were with Auro, the list is smaller (though still triple that of Auro).
02) Taken 2
03) Chasing Maverick
04) Life of Pi
05) Rise of the Guardians *
06) Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
08) Good Day to Die Hard
09) Oz the Great & Powerful *
10) The Croods *
11) G.I. Joe: Retaliation
14) Iron Man 3
15) Star Trek Into Darkness
17) Man of Steel
18) Monsters University
19) The Heat
20) Pacific Rim
21) Turbo *
22) The Wolverine
23) Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters
25) Elysium *
26) Insidious: Chapter 2
28) Metallica: Through the Never
29) Ender's Game *
30) Thor: The Dark World
31) Hunger Games: Catching Fire
33) Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug
34) Secret Life of Walter Mitty
35) I, Frankenstein *
36) Mr. Peabody & Sherman *
37) 300: Rise of an Empire
39) Captain America: Winter Soldier
40) Rio 2
42) Amazing Spider-Man 2 *
43) Million Dollar Arm
45) X-Men: Days of Future Past
47) Edge of Tomorrow
48) How to Train Your Dragon 2 *
49) Jersey Boys
50) Transformers: Age of Extinction *
51) Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
52) Guardians of the Galaxy
53) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
54) Expendables 3 *
* Also mixed in Auro.
And of course there is 'The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies' coming later this year and 'Avengers: Age of Ultron' coming next summer.
Plus there might be some catalogue titles remixed in Atmos for release on Blu-ray.
I'd just got in and did a quick cut and paste, omitting the few obvious ones I could see.
I appreciate Datasat and Barco have the commercial connection with Auro 11.1, I would have thought it logical that priority be given to the more prominent codec that would be supported by native material also.
No problemo. I just wanted to keep the comparison fair by limiting both lists to Hollywood blockbusters (good idea on your part, since those titles are the most likely to appear on BD). Maybe they're going after different markets. The Auro upgrade for the RS20i is around $3K? Onkyo has a current AV receiver ($699 MSRP, street price lower) that will get a free software upgrade to Atmos in September. They've also announced HTiB systems with Atmos.
Auro appears to be aiming for the high end market (Datasat RS20i & LS10, Storm Audio SDP 16, Auriga). While I'm sure there will eventually be high end pre-pros with Atmos, at the moment Dolby seems to be aiming at the general AVR/HTiB buying consumer.
I do recall a segment on the Auro website mentioning partnerships with Denon and marantz.
That's the kicker for me - the risk of incompatibility in speaker layouts between the two and all those potentially idle speakers. As both Datasat and Storm Audio will need to address this issue I do hope that I can have my cake and eat it to by having a unit that uses all speakers using both codecs. Storm Audio have indicated Atmos is due for their units in Q1 2015 so they will be the leaders in this issue.
How I am planning on working around this issue in our new theater will be to run the DataSat into an Ashley 24.24M with an Auro preset and an Atmos preset depending on the channel configuration. We are putting 12 speakers in the walls (7 bed plus heights on all but the rears) and four in the ceiling. When playing Auro the four in ceiling speakers will be pushed by the single Auro VOG channel.
A better soultion is QSC Qsis atmos auro integrator digital switch processor. call them
You would route single auro vog signal into all four atmos ceilings.NOTE: You don't make atmos layout conform to auro's, the other way around, duh! But the Qsys has a way of manipulating yyz metadata to accomplish this side rears issue I was told. Its used in all mixing rooms that handle both. Extremely HIFI but perhaps priced as much as a surround processor.
Sorry for the newbie-like question but any comments/opinions on how the Trinnov Altitude compares to the RS20i?