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View Poll Results: Best Multi-Channel processor currently on the market?
Classe SSP800 26 10.12%
Bryton SP3 24 9.34%
ADA Mach IV 4 1.56%
ADA Mach IV+Trinnov 28 10.89%
Datasat RS20i 50 19.46%
Theta CB3 HDMI + Extreme Dacs 34 13.23%
Krell Evolution 707 14 5.45%
Mcintosh MX151 26 10.12%
JBL Synthesis with SDEC 4500 18 7.00%
Other (comment on your answer) 35 13.62%
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Two different authorized dealers and two competent dealers are two different things.

And what the heck is a "certified setup" ?

Dan and I have spent more time working with both devices then any dealer in the USA.

We know what they can do and what they cannot do. Dan got them to re write parts of the software.

We have hundreds of hours A-B ing these devices.

They really do need to be setup by people who know what they are doing and have had a lot of experience using them.

Personally I would never want to demo these products at a show. Way to many unknowns, things that are out of your control, and

really no way to properly configure and setup a presentation properly.

And there is not a software program made that is 100% competent out there.

Find a dealer that has a showroom who you feel can represent your environment as close as possible and get a good demo.

An authorized dealer that had Datasat out to their showrooms to calibrate the system might informally be considered a certified setup - certainly ones they felt comfortable having demoed.

And when you say "find a dealer that has a showroom who you feel can represent your environment as close as possible and get a good demo.", well, I agree, but that's what we tried to do. As far as I can tell, there are only two dealers in my geo, so we went. Where else do we go?
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Two different authorized dealers and two competent dealers are two different things.

And what the heck is a "certified setup" ?

Dan and I have spent more time working with both devices then any dealer in the USA.

We know what they can do and what they cannot do. Dan got them to re write parts of the software.

We have hundreds of hours A-B ing these devices.

They really do need to be setup by people who know what they are doing and have had a lot of experience using them.

Personally I would never want to demo these products at a show. Way to many unknowns, things that are out of your control, and

really no way to properly configure and setup a presentation properly.

And there is not a software program made that is 100% competent out there.

Find a dealer that has a showroom who you feel can represent your environment as close as possible and get a good demo.

We're talking about an every day processor here. Datasat should ensure it's properly represented at the dealer's showroom. In both cases, the dealer claimed Datasat was there to configure and certify the setup and to train their staff. I understand Datasat wants to handle this as a professional install product only and I'm all for that but that didn't seem to help in this case.

I will add that a recent JBL Synthesis audition went very well. Harman makes the same claims (should be installed by their certified pros, tested and certified show rooms, etc.) but this time that was evident in what I experienced. The demo was impressive.

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As a less experienced dealer, my hope with this box is that it is possible to get it 90% "right" without having to hire Dan to come set them up for me, or go back to college for Audio Engineering. I expect to expend a reasonable amount effort and get requisite basic training. Hopefully those 2 dealers didn't put in enough effort and that's the problem.
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Any example of a multichannel dac? I assume usb based...

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I guess you won't need to read my review. wink.gif

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Interesting. It always made a lot of sense to me architecturally to separate the digital processing from the D/A conversion (like we do in high end 2 channel). If this DAC has 4 x S/PDIF input (which it appears it does), adding an modded Oppo with digi out board will get you into the high-end game for $4K and sonically it will likely beat any SSP south of $10K. For SACD it definetely will, because of custom DSD-LPCM conversion at 176/24. You still miss a lot of functionality going this route of course.

It gets more interesting when a digi out board for the 103 ships. Now you can use the Oppo as an HDMI input switch, and you won't need a SSP at all if you can live with the rudimentary bass management of the Oppo and don't need room correction.
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Not likely.  We've talked but there's no movement.


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Interesting. It always made a lot of sense to me architecturally to separate the digital processing from the D/A conversion (like we do in high end 2 channel). If this DAC has 4 x S/PDIF input (which it appears it does), adding an modded Oppo with digi out board will get you into the high-end game for $4K and sonically it will likely beat any SSP south of $10K. For SACD it definetely will, because of custom DSD-LPCM conversion at 176/24. You still miss a lot of functionality going this route of course.

It gets more interesting when a digi out board for the 103 ships. Now you can use the Oppo as an HDMI input switch, and you won't need a SSP at all if you can live with the rudimentary bass management of the Oppo and don't need room correction.

??? I see only 2 S/PDIF inputs and they are separately selectable, i.e., each in stereo.


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Not likely.  We've talked but there's no movement.

Unfortunately, I'm not surprised.

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Not likely.  We've talked but there's no movement.

I think this thread is indicative as to why.

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kal - have you ever looked at or plan to look at the Theta?
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kal - have you ever looked at or plan to look at the Theta?

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??? I see only 2 S/PDIF inputs and they are separately selectable, i.e., each in stereo.

Strange, so how does this DAC get a MCH feed? USB with a driver on the PC side of the chain, that maps the channels?
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Strange, so how does this DAC get a MCH feed? USB with a driver on the PC side of the chain, that maps the channels?

There is a proprietary exaSound ASIO driver which also has gain control and channel faders.


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Possibly.

That would be fabulous! The above, er, highly scientific survey appears to indicate theta is the second most desired processor on the planet. wink.gif.

With Dirac, assuming a non buggy implementation given the sweet time theta is taking on it, I think theta will be the go-to choice for a cost no bar processor. I am sure many here would Kill or at least trade first borns to read your review of it
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That would be fabulous! The above, er, highly scientific survey appears to indicate theta is the second most desired processor on the planet. wink.gif.

With Dirac, assuming a non buggy implementation given the sweet time theta is taking on it, I think theta will be the go-to choice for a cost no bar processor. I am sure many here would Kill or at least trade first borns to read your review of it

I'm sure it would be a nice read but I wouldn't go that far. tongue.gif

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Sorry but i went to the last twilight movie premiere and heard the datasat..it's a good movie experience with top notch sound..but still not the best sound you can get..the evolution 707 is a surround sound av preamp version of the 402e with sabre 32 chips one for each channel..it will never be bettered..you could make the evolution 707 sound better by adding evolution ones and using eight westlake audio tower sm1s and four wilson audio thor's hammer subs with nordost odin speaker cables ..but you couldn't better the 707..the 555 blue ray player sounds like the cypher..again can't be bettered..the only way you can improve this is by upgrading it to 4k then 8k then whatever k comes out after that!
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I watched Twilight last night and the soundtrack, surprisingly, was first rate in my theater. Awesome surround effects and dynamic. The movie was a laugher but the soundtrack and the gorgeous PQ had my involved throughout.

It's movies with really good soundtracks combined with great PQ that always has me asking which is more important: sound or video. Well, the overall effect is likely synergistic. Having a 14' wide screen and anamorphic lens really 'synergizes' the experience of audio and video. I see these talks on on SSPs but its my feeling that if you don't have front projection, you're wasting your time on the sound. The big sound needs a big picture overwise you can not elevate either to its highest level!

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I watched Twilight last night and the soundtrack, surprisingly, was first rate in my theater. Awesome surround effects and dynamic. The movie was a laugher but the soundtrack and the gorgeous PQ had my involved throughout.

It's movies with really good soundtracks combined with great PQ that always has me asking which is more important: sound or video. Well, the overall effect is likely synergistic. Having a 14' wide screen and anamorphic lens really 'synergizes' the experience of audio and video. I see these talks on on SSPs but its my feeling that if you don't have front projection, you're wasting your time on the sound. The big sound needs a big picture overwise you can not elevate either to its highest level!

I agree. You need both to get the full experience.

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I am using a sim 2 cinemaquattro 4k projector with smx screen a 555 707 403ex2 402ex1 302ex1 and ct 800 seven speakers and three subs connected over nordost cast and nordost odin speaker cables..watching once upon a time in america it's looks and sounds like they are in front of you..
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I am using a sim 2 cinemaquattro 4k projector with smx screen a 555 707 403ex2 402ex1 302ex1 and ct 800 seven speakers and three subs connected over nordost cast and nordost odin speaker cables..watching once upon a time in america it's looks and sounds like they are in front of you..




http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/08/sim2-158k-cinemaquattro-4k-dlp-projector/100 seat theater?

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My screen is twenty foot..pictures i don't know about that..bit early to be showing something that i shouldn't be even telling you about..i have a ferrari enzo that i couldn't show you a picture of aswell..only so many enzos made and it's an early "one"
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My screen is twenty foot..pictures i don't know about that..bit early to be showing something that i shouldn't be even telling you about..i have a ferrari enzo that i couldn't show you a picture of aswell..only so many enzos made and it's an early "one"

Cars and home theater. Sounds like you've got 'em covered in spades. Sure, I'd love to see an Enzo picture. I love fast cars!

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I can't show a picture of that car sorry it's too risky..don't know who is reading the threads..number plate reads enzo one and that's all i can say about that one ..i drive a mitsubishi evolution 6 to get me from a to b!
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Did you hear this at a commercial cinema? If so you would have heard the ap20 which is the basis of the rs20i. The rs20i has much improved dacs, hdmi board and psu.
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The theatre wasn't an every day cinema it was the premiere of twilight break dawn part 2 in la..i did the music for the first twilight movie edward cullans piano and bellas lullaby.. i will tell you a bit about myself..i do the trance nation cds i do music for the resident evil games silent hill games..i did the music for the tv show robin of sherwood with clannad..i did the piano scene in blade runner..and i did the piano on clannad and bono in a lifetime and piano on clannads a song for ireland and enyas shepherd moons ..i never put my name on anything because i am english and clannad are irish..because of the troubles i couldn't put my name on the songs so i kept it that way..p.s the twilight films are based on the troubles in northern ireland..
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Oh, if you have done the trance nation CDs then you have played with some of my production work. Good to ( virtually ) meet you, if we haven't met before, perhaps in some club seeing as I too am English and used to be signed to Hooj, platypus, tidy Trax and metropolitan ( remember them? Lol).

I gave up on the club scene quite a few years ago now and am now a corporate whore as it were and produce for ads on tv and radio.

While I am no fan of the twillight series I have to admit that I use the first one as a demo peice as its so well mixed down. The atmopherics when they are fighting in a big chambre and slamming each other into the ground and braking marble all around is just mind blowing. And out of all the pros I have had the rs20i sounds the best.
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