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How do you rip SACDs in JRiver? I thought you needed some kind of PS3 with legacy firmware to do that?

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You do but he said he would rip them to JRiver, not in JRiver.

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Hi there.

I'm after some jRiver - Lynx AES16e settings advice please.

I have the AES16e running fine through JR using the ASIO. But when I use jRivers WASAPI - loopback feature with Cyberlink PowerDVD13, I seem to in counter the odd interference click during a movie. Also the sound starts to momentarily drop out the further I get into a movie.

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Download Asio Bridge instead. 99% sure it solves your problem.
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Great, thanks. I will give this a go.....cheers
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I have installed and quickly tested but yet to give it a full 2 hour scrutiny.

I will keep the thread posted. But 99% of the time I use JR ASIO with the AES.
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Is there any kind of HTPC solution that can decode Atmos and other '3D' formats?
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What is the delioh with WIN 10 anyone had the chutzpah to try on their rock solid stable units? Or wait 6 months.

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A blunt but fair assessment.
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Quite frankly i have stayed away from pc's for ht use for a decade due to early experiences, who knows maybe there are still issues but the picture quality improvements and sound quality uprezzing, plus ability to re render additional 4 channels to say datasat make this thing a cannot afford to not use. I would never risk running my systems on a pc but as long as it used as a input complement ( or a secondary sets of outputs for say 4 extra auromax/iosono plug-in based rendered channels- the risk is minimized to just losing the 4 ch if failure)

What really pulled me into this thing kicking and screaming are the comparison of some latest video filters compared to the oppo and the lumagen.



You guys have not really appreciated this thing until you see it hooked up to a contrast modded D Cinema Barco. There are some filters that just leave the lumagen and the oppo buried in the dust. While that is splitting hairs on a 55 inch oled when projected into the Barco the picture quality DELTA is like watching Interstellar IMAX special presentation that had both 35mm and 70 mm segments. EXACTLY that kind of improvement. I have an old western Jayhawkers (that has the best musical score along with the theme song of War Wagon these are the two best scores of any westerns -Ennio Morricone be damned). So we are playing Jayhakers, I had been blown also away by it when played on the oppo in my EXTREME MTF Moscow PH install, that projector was set up with a fixed lens and the thing was dialed in so perfect that I felt was the ultimate in mtf optically. So i appreciated that movie when i saw it there. Great transfer! So this is the material we used in our Jriver filters comparison.

Let me see if I can dig some pictures of that comparison which Brad (La Salle) and Alan were floored when Walter very articulately presented to us deliberately explaining ( in a slide presentation fashion-skipping back and forth between filters when prompted),an epic show tell session that explained every filter from the lowest to the highest. Ladies I have never heard so many "wow, wow holly s___, this one added some depth, then this filter even added more depth, all the way to, with the top filterit now looks like 3d". 3 avid vidophiles in the cinema were converted to Jriver instantly.

Thus after looking at PC's as a service nightmare maelstrom in the waiting, I have to trust the possibility that these things can be stripped down to operate reliable as a studio workstation. Walter gives his word as long as he has unfetred control of the build. Anyone buying a DCI projector would be shooting themselves in the foot by not trying these things out. Also with the kind of processing power available just recently, the extrenal htpc is the correct p;lace to do sample rate conversions for Trinnov apps and Alcons dsps. Nothing cam harm the truthfulness of immersive sound like a compromised sample rate converter so in an Alcons case it is warranted to let the processor (either DS or trinnov) run native into this thing and come out aes 16 into the pc and let jriver do the audio processing. The problem with jriver is that it is immensely complicated to setup, too may settings so you need a 10 year phd in jriver in order to set it up the first time. Im surely glad that I am not that guy (IE. I managed to mess up the skins so badly when i was flipping trough them as I changed the contrast on brightness settings -not able to find the reset field and it is much less RESOLVABLE/INTELLIGIBLE now so as your attorney: stay away from that adjustment ) Now that we have such such expertise on board we truly have an ever expanding platform that is a must have. And it uses off the shelf components so its a fraction of what studio gear would cost. The time for hi performance pc has arrived but do not attempt this at home without an experienced power user/ integrator or you will be causing more harm than good.

That is what I have found, but i have to be careful with perceptions as 9 out of ten potential customers will balk at the idea of having to deal with a pc to watch a movie that is why I wish that the Altitude would have something like the equivalent of the old analog tape loop but in 32 channels, I know trinnov is working on their next generation models already to add 32 channels of aes out, It will be a welcomed imrpovement to upgrade the internal processor which is due for sample rate conversion and crossover advancements, if it is true that this thing has by today's pc's central processor standard the equivalent of a regular home pc then there is certainly room for improvement, as the filtering algorithms will keep on improving in the jriver world.

The next datasat 32/48 would have to absolutely have this external processor(tape loop like) bus to be able to integrate the never ending improvements that the jriver platform brings to the table. But the copy protection schemes. What the market needs is unlimited suitably powered studio grade AV workstation. Damn you Walter for showing me Alan and Brad this thing! Ignorance had been bliss.

In addition to the superlayive sample rate conversion available by J river and the IMAX Interstellar grade 35mm to 70mm improvemnt that the latest beta testing photographic grade IQ filters (that so creamed the oppo and lumagen) the epiphany was galvanized by got some really interesting a/b comparisons that have bought complete clarity of the situation at the Barco Alcoins booth when the 2d 4k demo that ran 7-9 times a day was completely trumped by the immersion 2025 demo simply becuase of one being compressed 48/16 5.1 and the beats of the best remo that ran 1 time a day had AUROMATIC 13.1 uncompressed 96/24., having had such state of the art system to playback has given me undreamt of insights for what happens next.

I have captured this whole LIFE CHAGING presentation on video but because I respect the 10 years of hard work invested by Walter and how I appreciate his intellectual property and frankly resent the Forum Leeching mentality where some of you guys take and borrow up to 90% of my Saturn moon experiments without giving the common courtesy of asking why the experiment was undertaken, what the end score was and what the next step to achieve perfection. All you have to do is ask, but to copy the experimenters building blocks without feedback and the insight learned will get you into trouble.

So I am sharing with LITERALLY only a handful in here (T,B,R,A), that in audio are struggling with which IMMERSIVE 3D 18 channel processor to go with (like I am) for best sound quality and Immersion, and in video those wanting to implement 4k LASER DCI at home with us jointly. So sorry no exceptions, if you are IN REAL COMPELLING NEED present the case for consideration.

I can show you how we had to hack saw the disc drive holdiner support structure on my favorite pc case (till last month) to fit in a TI class nvidia card.


I spent 8 grand the month before cedia demo in computer parts , hacked oppos and several media players, I even paid a kid to assmeble the pc and he totally messed up. Thanks to Walter for rebuilding it.



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Quite frankly i have stayed away from pc's for ht use for a decade due to early experiences, who knows maybe there are still issues but the picture quality improvements and sound quality uprezzing, plus ability to re render additional 4 channels to say datasat make this thing a cannot afford to not use

What really pulled me into this thing kicking and screaming are the comparison of some latest video filters compared to the oppo and the lumagen.



You guys have not really appreciated this thing until you see it hooked up to a contrast modded D Cinema Barco. There are some filters that just leave the lumagen and the oppo buried in the dust. While that is splitting hairs on a 55 inch oled when projected into the Barco the picture quality DELTA is like watching Interstellar IMAX special presentation that had both 35mm and 70 mm segments.
( in a slide presentation fashion-skipping back and forth between filters when prompted),an epic show tell session that explained every filter from the lowest to the highest. Ladies I have never heard so many "wow, wow holly s___, this one added some depth, then this filter even added more depth, all the way to, with the top filterit now looks like 3d". 3 avid vidophiles in the cinema were converted to Jriver instantly.

Th


In addition to the superlayive sample rate conversion available by J river and the IMAX Interstellar grade 35mm to 70mm improvemnt that the latest beta testing photographic grade IQ filters (that so creamed the oppo and lumagen) the epiphany was galvanized by got some really interesting a/b comparisons that have bought complete clarity of the situation at the Barco Alcoins booth when the 2d 4k demo that ran 7-9 times a day was completely trumped by the immersion 2025 demo









I have been trying to tell guys this. The the picture with a good GPU is truly something to behold. 1080p upscaled to 4k is outstanding,beyond anything they have seen. You do need a GPU that is powerful enough to exploit all that madVR can do. I was watching Mad Max and when you upscale to 4k, it's like you bought an entirely different television the improvement in picture quality is so great. Many here are hung up on that there is no 4k source material right now. If they see how improved 1080p upscaled material is, my belief is that focus on 4k right now will blur. It's amazing the clarity and deep that is brought to the picture. I'm glad, you with experience with the Lumagen processors can attest to how madVr compares.
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INSANE good!

It totally creams it bulldogger, in the dust, Id like to send you the link to our eye opening experience PM me.

For 4k hdr on principle I want dual Nvidia 960TI's in tandem what do you think? How about Xeon main motherboards?

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PC's?

Has Peter gone mad?

About time my friend! Keep us posted.

Maybe Naylor and Glimme can chime in.

I can't wait for the day that the $20,000 - $30,000 pre pro can be replaced with a PC/server.

As far as reliability PCs and Microsoft (MS Server and MS SQL) runs the manufacturing world these days.

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...For 4k hdr on principle I want dual Nvidia 960TI's in tandem what do you think? How about Xeon main motherboards?
The 960 is a good choice right now due to its HDMI 2.0a implementation. I was sad that AMD did not add it to its recent cards. I like how AMD looks with video better then Nvidia. For what you are doing, Nvidia, especially the 960, is a great pick. With 2 in SLI, make sure you don't experience any micro-stuttering.

As for the server boards, I assume you are looking for a more robust/redundant experience. I doubt you will best a 2011-v3 i7 (5960x) unless these filters can use more than 8 cores at once. I tend to build on higher end 1151 mainstream boards like with the Z170 chipset and find great stability for the price.
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Video still private. Couldn't wtch it earlier when you had google email me. Probably because i use a different login voor google and youtube service.
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Note that madvr does not exploit sli, it loses performance so you need to go with a single, V powerful card.
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Note that madvr does not exploit sli, it loses performance so you need to go with a single, V powerful card.

A single Titan? But is it hdmi 2.0a?

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That is correct, videos are shared with your Google+ sign-in. You should be able to pick that sign in from in Youtube, that is what I had to do and it worked great.
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For HDCP 2.2/HDMI 2.0a full support, you only have the 960 and 950 (lower card). The 980/970/Titan X only support HDCP1.3. Confirmed via NVidia Support.


2016 should yield the GeForce 1000 series and hope for better support.
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I can show you how we had to hack saw the disc drive holdiner support structure on my favorite pc case (till last month) to fit in a TI class nvidia card.


Yes, find a different case, especially one that allows you fit a large GPU in the PCIe slot closest to the CPU as for most motherboards, this tends to lend the fastest speed.
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I am a big of an HTPC enthusiast as there is on these boards, but I just don't know how much longer they will be a viable centerpiece of an a/v system.

For starters, optical disc playback on PCs in general is becoming a thing of the past. There is really only one mainstream option left for playback at this point (PowerDVD). Less and less computers are coming with optical drives. I wouldn't be surprised if no UHD bluray drive is ever released for the pc as a way to combat piracy.

Second, the integrated GPUs in Intel and AMD processors have started a race to the bottom in terms of component prices. There is very little talk about MadVR on the forum here as HTPCs go from being receiver sized to Nintendo Wii sized. Far fewer posters are adding discrete cards, due to both cost and desired size of the case. Now that Skylake is arriving from Intel the 900 series Nvidia GPUs are no longer necessary for 4K video output.

Then there is the problem of next gen audio formats. Thats going to require something to decode the immersive audio tracks onboard with a knowledge of how many speakers there are connected to the computer. DTS-MA was just cracked by the open source community this year, 7 or 8 years after it debuted. I personally have a hard time seeing a software vendor licensing DTS and Dolby technology for the very small market that would be people using computers as pre-pros.
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Evga 980 GTX Ti does support HDCP 2.2/HDMI 2, confirmed by Evga support
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They are already out, it is called BDXL. Keep in mind there is no software that will allow these to play UHDBD and there may never be.
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There is very little talk about MadVR on the forumhere as HTPCs go from being receiver sized to Nintendo Wii sized. Far fewerposters are adding discrete cards, due to both cost and desired size of thecase. Now that Skylake is arriving from Intel the 900 series Nvidia GPUs are nolonger necessary for 4K video output.
If you want small, try a Falcon Northwest Tiki, it can hold the largest desktop cards. There are similar (not yet as nice) cases that allow you to do your ownbuild with full size desktop cards.

Keep in mind, these cards are needed for what Peter and his team are trying to do as it is very GPU intensive.

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They are already out, it is called BDXL. Keep in mind there is no software that will allow these to play UHDBD and there may never be.

Has this been confirmed? A few people have guessed the new standard in UHD players would be BDXL, but I haven't seen that stated definitively.

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