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Sounds very interesting, just received notice that dpi will be showing this new projector at cedia.
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Best 1080p image I have seen so far. Looks a lot brighter than the lumen ratings would suggest.

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Neil:

What is the lumen rating for this new projector?
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Hours after the email and here's a thread...

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Spec says 2000 lumen but it reminds more of a Dual Reference but with better colour.

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Spec says 2000:1 but it reminds more of a Dual Reference but with better colour.

2000 lumen?
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I can't wait to see this projector at CEDIA !! smile.gif

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Lon. Thanks yes I meant 2000 lumen. Have updated my earlier post

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Why wouldn't they use single chip .95 DLP if they can get that brightness out of these LEDS? Or is there an inherent brightness advantage to a 3 chip design and that is the only reason they are getting these lumens?

Sorry my lack of fundamental DLP design knowledge is showing, but to me, a super sharp single chip .95 DLP with 2000 LED lumens would be a true breakthrough.
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Any idea of the MSRP on this thing?
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They showed this at I/ITSEC show in December last year. I emailed them about this to see if it was an upcoming model, back then they were saying it was a proof of concept. It looks like they may have decided to make a production model

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1800 lumens, but yes, the performance seems much higher. -$80K confirmed.
They have a single chip led in m-vision series. Much cheaper now around $13K for newer 1000 lumen model. Had done a lot of CRT to 600 lumen led and it is nice.
Titan will be phenomenal. Hopefully this continues through their model line.
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I realize the lumens output finally appears to be more than the 1000 average we have been seeing with a multitude of projectors, but I am very surprised and disappointed with the 80k price as mentioned. These companies are not going to reach a broader market if TI, projector manufactures, etc, keep these exorbitant prices for their products.

At least the Sim2 M.150, which is probably the best LED driven projector to this point, and has an outstanding picture with its 1000 lumens, is more in line with a price point that is realistic for a larger group of potential customers, myself included. Everyone has a different disposable income level and it just seems that companies sometimes don't take it into consideration a lot. I'm fully aware higher performance means higher costs most of the time. It would be nice though if a bone was thrown our way a little more often.

Sorry for the rant. I was just hoping for DPI's new LED projector to be much less.

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80k sounds insane. Not because of the absolute price, but because I can't see how its offering anything more than a solid state light source over the Titan Reference, which would be way brighter and 20k less. Perhaps there are other improvements we will learn about, but short of it being 4k, I cant think of anything they could do to make a way dimmer projector worth 20k more than their top of the line bulb unit. I guess we shall see....
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Wondering aloud if it will be possible for DPI to offer an LED light source upgrade to previous Titan Reference bulb owners?
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I am going to say no chance on the upgrade since the lens and the DMDs are about the only thing common with all but the very latest other units.

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Why wouldn't they use single chip .95 DLP if they can get that brightness out of these LEDS?

Perhaps they're getting the brightness with a brute force approach - essentially three 1-chip LED light engines, but using 3 LED's of the same color for each.

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I realize the lumens output finally appears to be more than the 1000 average we have been seeing with a multitude of projectors, but I am very surprised and disappointed with the 80k price as mentioned. These companies are not going to reach a broader market if TI, projector manufactures, etc, keep these exorbitant prices for their products.

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Sorry for the rant. I was just hoping for DPI's new LED projector to be much less.

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There's a simple answer, stack 2 of the Cine 1000s - same lumens for a 1/3 of the price wink.gif Probably a similar size to a titan chassis too

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I agree that might work, but there are a number of issues involved which I don't care to deal with in that configuration. Since I will be using my ISO III lens, I would have to purchase another one plus an additional Cineslide as well. Convergence would then also be a potential issue.

I prefer a single DLP projector set up and was hoping for one with brighter LED Lumens output since I'll be using up to a 12 ft screen and want 3D capability as well. I want to move away from bulb lighting. I had a Vango for awhile and loved the picture and LED capabilities but it wasn't going to be bright enough with the increase in screen size and was not 3D. My search continues. Ha! I will be attending CEDIA this year, so I've got my fingers crossed.

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Why wouldn't they use single chip .95 DLP if they can get that brightness out of these LEDS? Or is there an inherent brightness advantage to a 3 chip design and that is the only reason they are getting these lumens?

3 chips would give 3x as much "on" time. Shades of blue are created by turning the blue LED on and then pulse modulating each pixel mirror on or off, with more "off" contributing less blue to the pixel. Then repeat for red, then again for green. With 1 chip, each LED gets 1/3 of of the time to display its component of the pixel color. With 3 chip, each LED has its own chip doing the modulation, so the LED can stay on the whole time. So in theory the image could be 3x as bright. But it won't be that much because they are able to run each LED harder (brighter) if it's only on for 1/3 of the time and then off (cooling) the other 2/3. But having all 3 on at the same time should produce more brightness and opens the door for optimizations that could produce better CR than bulb based projectors (with 3 separate light sources for each component, they could essentially do "bulb modulation" on each color component, similar to DI but on a per color basis).

 

 

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DPI doesn't make it. I believe Atlas or another OEM house makes it for them. DPI decided to order a run, and promote, sell and support it.

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I thought this Titan looked outstanding at Cedia. I know there were some that thought the M - Vision Cine LED 1000 looked just as good. We re-visited this demo 3 or 4 times. There was one scene in The Avengers where Samuel L. Jackson was looking down - a fairly dark scene, On the Cine 1000, his face was pretty dark, without much detail ( the screen was too big really for that projector ). On the Titan, it looked completely different - very detailed and realistic looking. It's those types of subtle details that 3 chips bring to the table. It lit up that 165" diagonal ST 130 G3 screen nicely !

Anyway, if I didn't have a wife ( that will certainly notice a big chunk of change missing from the portfolio ) I'd probably buy one. With a 165" StudioTek 130, instant on and off, it would make one Hell of an HDTV !! eek.gif

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There was one scene in The Avengers where Samuel L. Jackson was looking down - a fairly dark scene, On the Cine 1000, his face was pretty dark, without much detail ( the screen was too big really for that projector ). On the Titan, it looked completely different - very detailed and realistic looking. It's those types of subtle details that 3 chips bring to the table. It lit up that 165" diagonal ST 130 G3 screen nicely !

Any reason not to go with the simple explanation - the brightness difference?

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I'm sure the brightness difference is what brought out those details. But, I like the look of 3 chip DLP - although I've owned a few single chip models too.

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