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Seeing as it is being shown at Sim2's LA road show event, I thought I'd start a thread about it. First indication of price:

http://asia.cnet.com/new-sim2-three-chip-dlp-beamer-goes-for-us60000-62222128.htm

Specs so far:

•DarkChip4 DLP engine
•Active shutter 3D technology
•Full-HD resolution
•Up to 5,000 ANSI lumens output
•Up to 30,000:1 dynamic contrast in 2D mode

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Seeing as it is being shown at Sim2's LA road show event, I thought I'd start a thread about it. First indication of price:

http://asia.cnet.com/new-sim2-three-chip-dlp-beamer-goes-for-us60000-62222128.htm

Specs so far:

•DarkChip4 DLP engine
•Active shutter 3D technology
•Full-HD resolution
•Up to 5,000 ANSI lumens output
•Up to 30,000:1 dynamic contrast in 2D mode

Why am I not rich!!!

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Assuming the mother is the same dimensions as the lumis, one of my customers will be getting this instead of the solo. $60K is peanuts to him.

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No 4k???

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Not only no 4K, but it seems from the video posted in the CNET article, their "Perfect Fit Function" seems nothing more than an automatic Zoom method to go from 16 x 9 to 2.35 wide.
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What is the improvement over a Titan Reference? Just Dynamic Black?
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And triple flash 3D. DPI's site says the Titan is dual flash. I assume HDMI inputs as well. I think DPI still uses DVI.

 

 

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I think all the newest titans have HDMI.
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The highlite 660 even has hdbaseT
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And triple flash 3D. DPI's site says the Titan is dual flash. I assume HDMI inputs as well. I think DPI still uses DVI.

No, Not true Titan is triple flash. Titan has better lens, and the Sim2 HT5000/Theatro has better lens. Comparisons should be with Lumis. They have more than doubled light output, added 3D, and also a motorized lens with memory.
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In other words... not better that Titan reference at similar msrp.
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I would not say better or worse, I do know the HT5000 was a step above the original Lumis. I owned an HT5000 and moved on to a Titan 1080P3d dual ultra contrast which I liked a lot better by a very large margin.ln addition the Titan had important features that the HT5000 did not..

The Lumis was compelling with dynamic black (dynamic Iris). Some see artifacts with dynamic black, most do not. The Lumis does dynamic black extremely well. Some critical viewers prefer the look of a fixed aperture. \Its all about trade-offs. The original Lumis had less than half the lumens, no 3D, and no lens memory. The Super Lumis is a major upgrade to the Lumis line. Different strokes for different folks.
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Guess its just disappointing to see a "new" product come out much later than others in the field at basically the same price and feature points. Not that it seems like a bad product... just doesn't bring anything to get excited about that we don't already have. . unless it streets for 50% of MSRP smile.gif.
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No, Not true Titan is triple flash. Titan has better lens, and the Sim2 HT5000/Theatro has better lens. Comparisons should be with Lumis. They have more than doubled light output, added 3D, and also a motorized lens with memory.

I thought I remembered a post from Alan saying triple flash was coming to the Titan a few years ago. But their site does say dual flash. They should probably update that if it's no longer true.

Part of the appeal with the original Lumis was it the cheapest 3 chip DLP available at the time. MSRP and list price have roughly doubled now. New price brings new competition. List is roughly the same as the Titan, so anyone contemplating $60k for a projector is going to want to compare the two.

Fortunately both are available with healthy discount @ street, and more competition is a good thing.

 

 

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I have the Titan Ref 660 3D and it is triple flash for certain. Current list is $76,995.





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In other words... not better that Titan reference at similar msrp.

As Jim has stated the current list price for the Titan reference you have been discussing is $77K not $60K
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Do you know if the Titan's have 12bit processing or 10bit processing (built in as opposed to outboard)? And will the models with 3D allow for vertical stretch in 3D? Also, which Titans have triple-flash built in as a standard feature as opposed to an option?
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As Jim has stated the current list price for the Titan reference you have been discussing is $77K not $60K

I was looking at the Titan Pro 660 3D UC, which I thought was essentially the same as the Reference. That was listed as $52k + lens, with $8k lenses covering most throws. Has list price gone up, or is there something more to the Reference?

 

 

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I was looking at the Titan Pro 660 3D UC, which I thought was essentially the same as the Reference. That was listed as $52k + lens, with $8k lenses covering most throws. Has list price gone up, or is there something more to the Reference?



That might be from the older price list, cannot remember. The most current list (January 2013) does not have that model listed (Pro 660 3D UC). They did change some of the model names/numbers which probably explains it, but in this last list the only "Pro" 3D models are the Pro 1080p-800 3D (12000 lum and 2000:1) at $80,000 and the 1080p QUAD-3D (16000 lum and 2000:1) at $90,000.

The only Pro 660 models listed are: 1080p-660 (not 3D) (10000 lum and 2000:1) at $65,000, and the Ref 1080p-660 (not 3D) (3K - 6K lum, and 5000:1) at $68,000 (basically the HC lens diff).

I'm told a new price may be released soon, not sure if models will change again, and have no info on price changes, but it may include the Titan LED info.



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This is the page on their site that I'm looking at http://www.digitalprojection.com/BrowseProjectors/TITANProSeries33D/tabid/268/Default.aspx

If you scroll down there is a model called TITAN 1080p-660-3D-Ultra Contrast
5,000 Lumens
5,000:1 Contrast
1920 x 1080 Pixels
(112-579)

It's not branded as the Reference. MSRP posted elsewhere on the web lists that model at $60k ($52k for PJ + $8k for most lens options). Specs for the reference are same as above, except 4,000 - 6,000 lumens depending on lens (according to DPI's website).

 

 

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