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Just wondering what the overall impressions are, around here, regarding the Kaleidescape player image quality etc compared to say one of the present generation of Oppo players ?

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You should not compare it to the Oppo, but rather to a Theta Compli Blu 3D player which is closer in the price range and is also noticeable better than the Oppo both for audio and video. That would be interesting to know.
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I'm not interested in 3D and certainly, even here, the experience with the Oppo players is broad.

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I've got a heavily modified Oppo 95 (linear power supply and ultra low jitter clocking) that feeds a Lumagen for video and an ADA for audio, via HDMI. I've also got a K system that follows the same video and audio path.

I've noticed zero difference in picture quality (blu ray) or sonics (blu ray or redbook) between those two units. The primary difference is the user interface, not the video or audio performance.
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From a video quality standpoint, you are comparing the right two products, Oppo and K, regardless of their price. By all accounts, both are essentially the same in video quality. You get what is on the source.

User interface, of course, is drastically different. For me, its not worth the price just to get the awesome K interface, since I can get the video quality I need by connecting hard drives to the Oppo and navigating the archaic interface. If it didn't mean sacrificing some other part of my theater for the funds to buy the K, though, then I would certainly go for it.


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omg...be careful bruce...that kind of blasphemy will get you flamed around here.

op...., assuming 1:1 bit accuracy (which a $99 BRD drive will get you), then PQ will be identical.
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I've got a Oppo 103 (use mostly for 3D), and several Kaleidescape M-class Player's in my system and I cannot tell the difference in 2D performance between the Oppo and the K Player's. As a point of reference, I'm using a Titan Ref for front projection to a 12' screen and Sony's 84" 4K, among other displays. I also need to disclose that one of my companies sells K Systems, and I help operate (moderate) the Kaleidescape Owner's Forum (Kscapeowners.com), so consider that with my comment.


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Thanks for all the input . So the Kaleidescape player should not be any sort of limit in either audio or video quality then.

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Thanks for the comments.

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On audio, k players cannot decode pcm, so if you fall on pcm side of the pcm vs bitstream argument, then audio quality suffers.. I say this as many high end processors can't decide pcm as well.
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I'm not sure about this one but I heard that the Kaleidescape player only outputs 60fps never 24 as films are encoded. Not sure how big a deal this is but the Oppo, despite it's absolute bargain price, is the one of, if not, the best BD player out there . Personally I think the convenience of the Kaleidescape is a big deal but the player itself has to be able to do the job too. This has always held me back from tacking the plunge.
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Sorry guys. Both above statements are bs!

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Can k players now decode pcm? Or are you debating the sound difference vs bit stream. Yes, ADA processors can process pcm.
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Can k players now decode pcm? Or are you debating the sound difference vs bit stream. Yes, ADA processors can process pcm.

K players can be set to do either. I have three players and use both settings in different rooms.
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Kaleidescape players do in fact output 24p, the menus are rendered at 60p.

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K players can be set to do either. I have three players and use both settings in different rooms.

Well look at that, guess after you see it so many times, you begin to believe. Page 4. Thank you

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You should not compare it to the Oppo, but rather to a Theta Compli Blu 3D player which is closer in the price range and is also noticeable better than the Oppo both for audio and video. That would be interesting to know.

Any others agree with this ?

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The Theta is based on the Oppo 95 with a new power supply and, I believe, changed audio circuitry. Perhaps you could tell it is "better" in audio playback in a blind ABX test if using the analog outs. Perhaps not.

The video circuitry is identical.

My short answer is that no, I don't agree with that at all. The Oppo is an objectively perfect Blu Ray player from a video fidelity standpoint. Kind of hard to improve on that.

You pay for the K interface and convenience. The Theta would offer no video improvement, and only a theoretical audio improvement. No interface improvement.


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The Theta Compli Blu 3D is a digital transport only - no analog outputs. I've had one since last December. Audio is clearly better than Oppo 95, as I had one of those, too. At least in my system. Can't say video is any different. than the Oppo 95. Theta audio is sonically about the same as the Marantz UD9004 that I once had. Also, the Oppo digital coaxial out on redbook CD sucks compared to the Theta's.

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What is the best way to go about finding a dealer for the Kaleidescape system. The dealer finder shows too many to pick from.

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Put in you Zip code and select a Platinum dealer if available.


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OK, no platinum dealer near me. What does that mean in terms of pricing etc ?

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Nothing, pricing should be the same among all kscape dealers. Platinum dealers move the highest dollar value in units per year, then there are gold and silver dealers- each has unique requirements. You'll probably want to at least visit a dealer that has a display unit, and check various sources for reviews of the dealer (yelp, etc)

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