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Good point but that simply makes Auro, on a non-Auro encoded Blu Ray, no better than PL IIz or Neo X. You/re right. We'll have to see how it sounds. We may be 1-2 years out (or more) to have most new releases having an Auro track.

Well, yes and no, the upmixer will hopefully be a generational advancement on the likes of Neo:X and PLIIz. The Auro3D up mixer not only adds additional surround height channels and a potentially quite important centre height channel, but also an additional height layer with the VOG - its moving from a purely front height sound field, much closer to a full hemi-spherical surround field.

Obviously that's only any good if the upmixing algorithm is up to scratch, and we don't get speech bleeding into the VOG or similar artifacts - the proof will be in the testing on that.

With regards to content, I suspect we'll start seeing some blu-ray releases this year. That said, I'd wager the success of Auro as a format and whether is gets widely released on disc will also depend on the competing formats and whether Dolby wade into the home market with Atmos, or indeed on how well DTS build on their success with DTS-MA and Neo:X, with their DTS-UHD fomat. Which ever the movie studios most widely adopt will win out, in much the same way DTS-MA has almost wiped Dolby TrueHD off the map.

Interesting time ahead for sure . . .
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I'd wager the success of Auro as a format and whether is gets widely released on disc will also depend on the competing formats and whether Dolby wade into the home market with Atmos, or indeed on how well DTS build on their success with DTS-MA and Neo:X, with their DTS-UHD fomat.
Auro already includes a blind upmixer with their decoder, DTS will likely use the 4-height configuration of Neo:X as the upmixer packaged with UHD, I'll be curious to see what sort of upmixing Dolby includes with Atmos.

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Really nice to see the LS10 has an asynchronous USB audio input. Shows Datasat have been listening to our requests. Just need one on the RS20i now.
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Really nice to see the LS10 has an asynchronous USB audio input. Shows Datasat have been listening to our requests. Just need one on the RS20i now.

Yeah, its a good feature - though if its added to the RS20i I'd hope to see it being 384khz/32bit and DSD capable in line with the best of the two channel DAC's! In fact DSD capability on the HDMI inputs for SACD playback would be a bonus also.
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Don't forget that the Datasat units with Auro3D on them will also have the Auro3D upmixer. Whilst the abilities of the upmixing are yet to be heard/tested, upmixing is all Neo:X and PLIIz are doing and were ever designed to do, with no dedicated discrete content for either of those formats even planned.

Funny how people lately neglect to mention the original of the upmixers: Audyssey DSX 11.1 smile.gif

I would really like to hear the upmixed Auro-3D. I presume it enhances the ambience sensation, because one can not do object sounds that way... Unless it's a really TALL object! biggrin.gif

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Unless it's a really TALL object!

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Nice find! Interesting to see no RCA outs, only XLR.



From the output labels, looks like it has dedicated jacks for the standard 7-speaker layout and 4 heights. There are 2 dual-purpose jacks where the user has to choose between left & right wide speakers OR centre height + VOG. The two wides are for Neo:X while the latter two complete the Auro layout.
Just wondering if RCA connects are really needed since they are not balanced and the XLR is?

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By the looks of the casing on this unit it appears it may not have the fan of the RS20i?
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Just wondering if RCA connects are really needed since they are not balanced and the XLR is?
For those that need RCA connections, there are XLR to RCA adapters.

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Is retail pricing on this announced yet?

I might look into this if it has some equalization options at least for the subwoofer channels. Or perhaps couple it with outboard subwoofer eq? I have 3-4 subwoofers I need to EQ.

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£10000 inc vat and setup. + £3k for auro.
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For those that need RCA connections, there are XLR to RCA adapters.
That was my thoughts, hence no need for the RCA connects.

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That was my thoughts, hence no need for the RCA connects.

I have said fora decade that there is simply no need for unbalanced connectors on preamps or amps. Consumer electronics should have gone to XLR the same way the PRO equipment has.

Amplifiers should all be using NEutrik 2 channel speaker connectors too. Banana plugs and spade plugs are for the birds.

Datasat should have put neutrik connectors on their amplifer gear for speaker connectors. Cleaner. More secure. Flawless connections. More compact cables that make rack management cleaner. Cleaner rack = better airflow.

Neutrik simply makes THE BEST connectors.

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I have said fora decade that there is simply no need for unbalanced connectors on preamps or amps.

The case can also be made that consumer gear doesn't need balanced inputs nor the accompanying waste of connector real estate.

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I remember speaking with one of the guys from Dirac and he was explaining that the version to be found in the new Emotiva product is a limited, cut down version that fits within its processing abilities. .

Here is a quote from the President of Emotiva:
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I’ve mentioned Dirac before, but it’s worth mentioning here again. No product south of $20,000 offers Dirac room correction—except the XMC-1. This is full-scale, professional-level room correction, not a simplified, compromised consumer-grade system.
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The question is whether the pres' statement was comparing the XMC-1's to full-strength Dirac or competitors' pre/pro's.

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The question is whether the pres' statement was comparing the XMC-1's to full-strength Dirac or competitors' pre/pro's.

Fair enough. Plus, he is a marketing guy.

But given the price and the 30 day return policy, I have one on order. I am using Dirac from my server for 2 channel and REALLY like it. I use Audyssey for my HT application. I refuse to spend $20K for a HT SSP so if the XMC-1 is better than what I have, I will be good to go. Someone needs to sell and sub $10K SSP with Dirac and they will. Assuming the XMC-1 is no good (my guess is that it will be quite good), I will wait for some other less expensive SSP with Dirac.
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Here is a quote from the President of Emotiva:

A snippit from the XMC data sheet,

It incorporates truly useful and highly sophisticated features, including an exclusive Emotiva specific version of the Dirac Live™ 7.2 Room Correction System.

Now the Emotiva has 2 x 300mhz dsp chips, these do all the internal processing. Bass management, Dirac, post processing etc.

The Datasat RS20i however uses a total of 8 x 400mhz dsp chips of which 2 of these are soley for Dirac.

So I can make my assumptions from the given data that the Dirac included will not be as full as say on the RS20i or Theta CB4.

But never the less, I'm sure the Dirac in the XMC will help shift units and will be a fair step above audyssey. Let's just hope the processor does better than their previous, buggy model. And indeed better than Sherbourns trinnov flop of a processor.
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And indeed better than Sherbourns trinnov flop of a processor.
Well, except for that remapping feature that all of the users are in love with.
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I very much like trinnov. But I like to be different. When I had the Trinnov MC I didn't really like what remapping did. I found it crunched the sound field / resolution.

However, the price of the LS10 would allow one to add a full blown Trinnov MC and be at or around the cost of the RS20i. That I would like to hear. Just a shame they haven't got digi out on the LS10.

I do plan on running a trinnov MC from my digi outs of my RS20i to see how it runs / compares with the internal Dirac.
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Fair enough. Plus, he is a marketing guy.

But given the price and the 30 day return policy, I have one on order. I am using Dirac from my server for 2 channel and REALLY like it. I use Audyssey for my HT application. I refuse to spend $20K for a HT SSP so if the XMC-1 is better than what I have, I will be good to go. Someone needs to sell and sub $10K SSP with Dirac and they will. Assuming the XMC-1 is no good (my guess is that it will be quite good), I will wait for some other less expensive SSP with Dirac.

Same here...

I want tot add that I hope someone sooner rather than later makes a <5K SSP with Auro-3D onboard! smile.gif

£13,000 is really a lot of money for a SSP. Auro-3D will die quickly if it doesn't get implemented in more affordable devices. Affordability is the only way to reach enough people to make it worthwhile to invest in Blu-rays with Auro-3D in it.

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The question is whether the pres' statement was comparing the XMC-1's to full-strength Dirac or competitors' pre/pro's.
Also, his statement is worded so carefully and ambiguously that it isn't clear whether he's talking about their particular implementation or describing Dirac in general.
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Which "this" is he talking about? Dirac Live or the version in the XMC-1?

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The case can also be made that consumer gear doesn't need balanced inputs nor the accompanying waste of connector real estate.

Total compatibility saves consumers the most money over time. Have you seen the junk they waste real estate on consumer devices for? It would make it easier for custom installers too.

Dont forget that on consumer devices you can use a smaller form factor xlr connection.

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Total compatibility saves consumers the most money over time. Have you seen the junk they waste real estate on consumer devices for? It would make it easier for custom installers too.

Dont forget that on consumer devices you can use a smaller form factor balanced connection.

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I heard you the first time smile.gif

I didn't know there was a smaller version of XLR; what's it called?

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TRS 1/4" stereo connector for headphones is one example. They are not as secure as XLR but do work.

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Another type is called, remarkably (wait for it): Mini XLR. biggrin.gif

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I didn't know there was a smaller version of XLR; what's it called?

Have you ever used the Audyssey Pro calibration kit? If so, you have used mini xlr.
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I very much like trinnov. But I like to be different. When I had the Trinnov MC I didn't really like what remapping did. I found it crunched the sound field / resolution.

However, the price of the LS10 would allow one to add a full blown Trinnov MC and be at or around the cost of the RS20i. That I would like to hear. Just a shame they haven't got digi out on the LS10.

I do plan on running a trinnov MC from my digi outs of my RS20i to see how it runs / compares with the internal Dirac.

You would think that at its 13,000 or so price tag that everyone would like Trinnov remapping. That is one of its main features/attractions.
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