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Why cant you add 2 channels if you have the capacity, send the center height channel INPUT to the left height channel OUTPUT, the mixer will add it, then do the same for right height channel, INPUT center height channel OUTPUT right height channel.

WHY NOT HERE? Consolidate 2 front subs into one if you have to, this is more important,no?

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Why cant you add 2 channels if you have the capacity, send the center height channel INPUT to the left height channel OUTPUT, the mixer will add it, then do the same for right height channel, INPUT center height channel OUTPUT right height channel.

WHY NOT HERE? Consolidate 2 front subs into one if you have to, this is more important,no?


The problem is that you move the output to a desired input. That output can not be in two places at once, ie on the centre height and front height L/R simultaneously. Now if you could copy the Centre Height input and move that onto the front left / right height then it would be fine.

Basically, you can have as many output channels as you want routed to a single input but you can not copy those inputs and have as many of them as you want on an output channel. Hope that makes sense.
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Is the HDMI upgradable in the future?

The spec here: http://www.datasatdigital.com/consum...-processor.php says HDMIv1.4. Upgrade to 2.0?
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So, does anyone know if this is on Datasat's 'to do' list?

Would ATMOS have use for a Center Height or VOG??

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So, does anyone know if this is on Datasat's 'to do' list?

Would ATMOS have use for a Center Height or VOG??

Thanks!!
Datasat's aware and it is on the engineering task list for a future firmware update.

Dolby Atmos does not have a Center Height. It also doesn't have a VOG as such, instead it uses multiple pairs of overheads.

Re: HDMI 2.0 in the LS10 - that is not something that can be achieved in firmware. Full HDMI 2.0 functionality would require a wholesale hardware change. However, please note that most of the desired functionality of HDMI 2.0 is supported by current hardware (UHD video at 24 or 30 fps).
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Would ATMOS have use for a Center Height or VOG??
No.

The consumer version of Atmos has 34 potential speaker locations: 24 around you and 10 above you. Pick as many or as few speakers as you want.



Notice no Centre Height nor VOG.

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No.

The consumer version of Atmos has 34 potential speaker locations: 24 around you and 10 above you. Pick as many or as few speakers as you want.



Notice no Centre Height nor VOG.
I want to see a room like that Just imagine

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Am I the only one who finds it weird that the Left and Right front are 90° from each other, vs the normal 60°?

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Am I the only one who finds it weird that the Left and Right front are 90° from each other, vs the normal 60°?
The whole thing is odd... and certainly not settled. I'm back in beta mode!

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Am I the only one who finds it weird that the Left and Right front are 90° from each other, vs the normal 60°?
Sloppiness by the art department, not the official recommendation by Dolby.

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No.

The consumer version of Atmos has 34 potential speaker locations: 24 around you and 10 above you. Pick as many or as few speakers as you want.



Notice no Centre Height nor VOG.



Sanjay,

Is linear distance between the overhead speakers specified to be less than the left and right front speakers as seemingly indicated by above diagram? (Are the overhead speakers supposed to be closer together than front speakers, similar to positioning of overhead array of commercial theaters?) And if so, are there specific "numbers" (angle or linear distance) specified by Dolby?
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Is linear distance between the overhead speakers specified to be less than the left and right front speakers as seemingly indicated by above diagram? (Are the overhead speakers supposed to be closer together than front speakers, similar to positioning of overhead array of commercial theaters?) And if so, are there specific "numbers" (angle or linear distance) specified by Dolby?
Like I said, their art department arbitrarily labeled a couple of those locations as L/R. Front speakers aren't typically 90 degrees apart. At the Dolby presser Monday, their preliminary suggestion was to have the height arrays in line with the front L/R speakers, which they assumed were at ±30° from centre.

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Why the round array?
Makes it easier to see angles.

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Still joking.

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You should watch jodorowsky's dune. He rips Doug Trumbull a new one because JDK wants spacecraft with a soul, the a-list expert is a top method technician, but his 60 fps showscan for example has always been considered cold, perhaps SOUL-LESS?

I too thus came to the realization THAT HT's need a SOUL, (mine mostly do ) and that individuals obsessed with the subject on a purely technical basis probably are oblivious to the concept of anthropometric soul in the machine "anima-machina". This CEDIA I will make sure to walk the floor just with individuals seeking systems with soul potential...

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Still joking.

Are you insinuating that I was totally unaware of the angles in your graphic, and the that it flew over my head? You really think that I would let that slip , me? On the subject of atmos? You need to start using both sides of the brain when mulling over this stuff, bud....
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Are you insinuating that I was totally unaware of the angles in your graphic, and the that it flew over my head? You really think that I would let that slip , me? On the subject of atmos? You need to start using both sides of the brain when mulling over this stuff, bud....
You're the one who said you were joking.

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Does anybody has more information of Dolby Atmos in the LA10. I asked two people from Datasat independantly and only got the silent treatment so far...
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Does anybody has more information of Dolby Atmos in the LA10. I asked two people from Datasat independantly and only got the silent treatment so far...
You know the cinema branch from Datasat competes with the Dolby cinema processors? Hence I bet some heavy negotiating is going on.


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You know the cinema branch from Datasat competes with the Dolby cinema processors? Hence I bet some heavy negotiating is going on.


http://www.datasatdigital.com/cinema...comparison.php
Datasat made an official announcement re dolby Atmos on the RS20i for Q1 2015. Whether this is also applicable to the LS10 I don't know.
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The Auro Crux as a Datasat LS10 clone is now available for 10,370€ Including VAT on a German dealers website:

http://www.grobi-shop.tv/product_inf...oducts_id=1823

Very interesting as European MSRP for the LS10 incl. VAT is around 15,000€,
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Yes, very interesting. Have these prices been seen elsewhere, so that we can confirm they are not just fishing prices?
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Yes, very interesting. Have these prices been seen elsewhere, so that we can confirm they are not just fishing prices?
I did ask Auro for a list of authorized dealers to get other prizes.
The dealer I referenced that has the products on his website is one of the most reliable and well known German dealers, so definitly no fishing prizes from them! I will give them a call tomorrow and try to find a little bit more out!
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DATASAT will have to upgrade their boards to be HDMi 2.0, and more important HDCP 2.2 compliant

"Not Backward Compatible One major challenge is HDCP 2.2, the latest evolution of the HDCP copy protection designed to create a secure connection between a source and a display.
The Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) in its revised Ultra High-Definition Display Characteristics V2 guidelines, effective from September 2014, has specified that at least one of the 3840x2160 HDMI digital inputs on a display “shall support HDCP revision 2.2 or equivalent content protection” for it to be considered an Ultra HD installation. This condition is significant, as “these updated attributes will help ensure consumers get the most out of this exciting new technology and will provide additional certainty in the marketplace,” says CEA president and CEO Gary Shapiro. There is a pretty substantial problem, though: HDCP 2.2 is not backward compatible with legacy 4K displays. The legacy source device can connect just fine without native HDCP 2.2 support, as long as the display is 2.2-compliant. But don’t expect a 4K image if the TV lacks HDCP 2.2 support."


Of course a lot of people are happy about that:


"4K Ultra HD has terrific growth potential for custom integrators and HDCP2.2 compliance will be one of the secrets to the format’s success. Integrators should make sure their customers are Ultra HD-ready by specifying displays, sources, receivers and matrices that are HDCP2.2 compatible. The more HDCP2.2 devices are deployed, the more content the studios will produce – and we’ll all be in a much better 4K place."


So plan on replacing your AVR or processor, your projector or TV and of course your BluRay player but that goes without saying no BluRay players today can do 4K anyway
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DATASAT will have to upgrade their boards to be HDMi 2.0, and more important HDCP 2.2 compliant

"Not Backward Compatible One major challenge is HDCP 2.2, the latest evolution of the HDCP copy protection designed to create a secure connection between a source and a display.
The Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) in its revised Ultra High-Definition Display Characteristics V2 guidelines, effective from September 2014, has specified that at least one of the 3840x2160 HDMI digital inputs on a display “shall support HDCP revision 2.2 or equivalent content protection” for it to be considered an Ultra HD installation. This condition is significant, as “these updated attributes will help ensure consumers get the most out of this exciting new technology and will provide additional certainty in the marketplace,” says CEA president and CEO Gary Shapiro. There is a pretty substantial problem, though: HDCP 2.2 is not backward compatible with legacy 4K displays. The legacy source device can connect just fine without native HDCP 2.2 support, as long as the display is 2.2-compliant. But don’t expect a 4K image if the TV lacks HDCP 2.2 support."

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So plan on replacing your AVR or processor, your projector or TV and of course your BluRay player but that goes without saying no BluRay players today can do 4K anyway

So, if you've got, say, a Lumagen Radiance Mini 3D and a two year old Panasonic VT series plasma with 3D support and HDMI 1.4 (but both are pre-4K), and if you buy or upgrade to a pre/pro with HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 support, you've got to replace your display and the Lumagen VP? ?

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So, if you've got, say, a Lumagen Radiance Mini 3D and a two year old Panasonic VT series plasma with 3D support and HDMI 1.4 (but both are pre-4K), and if you buy or upgrade to a pre/pro with HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 support, you've got to replace your display and the Lumagen VP? ?
Unfortunately YES
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Unfortunately YES
Where does it say you have to replace your existing gear?

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