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Oh, how do subs fit into that 34 channel arrangment? So you have 24 speakers around you and 10 above, does that assume all or some of the main speakers around you are full range or if you want subs you have to start subtracting from the total for each sub added, so for example say 22 around , 2 subs and 10 overheads to equal 34?
The 34 consumer Atmos is not including subs. So a 32 channel processor used with 2 subs has 30 channels left for satellites.

The 64 commercial Atmos is including sub channels (61.3). One behind the screen and one at each side towards the rear. This is done because the typical surround speaker in a cinema is not capable down to 80 Hz and localization starts to play. They were at the ceiling above the entrance in the cinema I visited.
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Oh, how do subs fit into that 34 channel arrangment?
Subwoofer outputs are created by bass management, not anything to do with Atmos.

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So would the term "wides" be obsolete/irrelevent when talking about Atmos due to it's object oriented processing?
I think Trinnov itself does that; if you have speakers at the Wide positions, Trinnov remapping will create signals for them regardless of the type of encoding.

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What about dts neo-x processing ?
Early reports of Atmos upmixing in the Receivers forum indicate that you won't miss it, i.e. Dolby Surround was preferred over Neo-X.

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As per jeff and carl huff that format is killed by auromatic and probably dolby surround
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Atmos has the capability to work similarly, but that feature has not been implemented in 1st gen Atmos products. Close. 24 around you and 10 above you = 34 possible locations.




By that logic, terms like sides and rears are equally meaningless. In the diagram above, the speakers directly to the sides happened to be labeled L/R surrounds, but that label could just as easily be moved to the speakers just forward and rearward of those locations.

So if you have a typical 7.1 layout and add a pair of speakers between the fronts and sides, what would you call them?



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It looks to me like Trinnov already has a speaker nomenclature in place for its Atmos configuration. I think I see 'speaker name abbreviations' under the speaker numbers on the Altitude display, so perhaps we should just wait to see some "more complete" Altitude documentation . . . in the absence of extant documentation from Dolby with anything more than "guessable values" for speaker azimuth and elevation.


And more generally, Report ITU-R BS.2159-6 (11/2013) Multichannel sound technology in home and broadcasting applications (link) FIGURE 60 "summarizes" IEC 62574 “Audio, video and multimedia systems – General channel assignment of multichannel audio" and similar|related SMPTE speaker naming standards (among others), but--like the Pirate Code--the contents of these docs are "more like suggestions"!

For extra confusion, be sure also to read Recommendation ITU-R BS.2051-0 (02/2014) Advanced sound system for programme production (link) . . . which at least has the mitigating factor of being the 'first release' of this particular doc!

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I'm glad they did a firmware update on the GUI:

Before:


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Should sound less occluded.
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Do your customers use Prima Cinema service, or are they members of the Bel-Air Circuit?
In the usa it's possible to get 4k and hfr content on a blu-ray window type.

My clients can be in the bel air circuit but don't like the short window restrictions, like primas.

You will find that more and more enthusiasts are getting dci content in the blu-ray time window.
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In the usa it's possible to get 4k and hfr content on a blu-ray window type.

My clients can be in the bel air circuit but don't like the short window restrictions, like primas.

You will find that more and more enthusiasts are getting dci content in the blu-ray time window.
Thanks for the reply. It sounds like the DCI content is delivered some other way than Primas (download) or DCPs (Bel Air). What's the format, and how does one join the party?

Right now I suspect it is limited to 7.1. Is Atmos/Auro content available?
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Thanks for the reply. It sounds like the DCI content is delivered some other way than Primas (download) or DCPs (Bel Air). What's the format, and how does one join the party?

Right now I suspect it is limited to 7.1. Is Atmos/Auro content available?
These are DCI packages hard drive from technicolor and usb drive key.ingest at projector or over network. You need a minimum 2k projector sever combo. like this laser one is under $50 but you must add ims internal server which is like 10. If you get the doremi ims 1000 and get a cp-850 which will do home atmos too in Q1 ( but now you are up to 90 ) then yes all the atmos you want. Those prices may include signup processing with each studio which is tedious. Will need to find out more but unlike cinema you have at least a couple of months to watch. You can order in hfr 4k 2d 3d aspect ratios, and sound format.

Send me a email to peter@cineramax.com and after cedia i will send you a comprehensive package on the software deal for the below projector talk to avs.

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^^ Thanks!

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* Scroll up & down that picture (graphic design), and see what it does.
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Looking forward to this product. Should be a great contribution to the high end.

I remain amazed by the flexibility (and stability) of the platform in day-to-day use, and find Curt's always there to help via phone and VNC a great addition to an already strong offering.
There appears to be a correlation of super-satisfied Trinnov clients to those were Curt actually did the calibration in room, me and one other person have preferred the datasat's dirac autopilot to the remote sessioned eq's from Curt as
- I just told Curt this. He did say you and Lon had Curt in da house: CORRELATION NOTED!

Soo.... I am going into the demo with a completely clean slate in my head ( procella Genelecky type sound filter engaged). If I perceive an approximation to the well roundedness, or equal or better than Dirac you will hear from me by Friday and I likely give trinnov 2 orders, there is much to be said by being the first with Atmos out the door, and having d-cine connectivity, and having active stereo rca out's for d-box 2.0, so expect an agnostic/unbiased opinion. And godspeed to my friend the genial Curt's demo.

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* Scroll up & down that picture (graphic design), and see what it does.
Is it supposed to be psychedlic?

Unfortunately Im on an air mouse living room setup.
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There appears to be a correlation of super-satisfied Trinnov clients to those were Curt actually did the calibration in room, me and one other person have preferred the datasat's dirac autopilot to the remote sessioned eq's from Curt as they can be tedious and unpredictable if pressed for time my engineer is falling asleep - I just told Curt this. He did say you and Lon had Curt in da house: CORRELATION NOTED!

Soo.... I am going into the demo with a completely clean slate in my head ( procella Genelecky type sound filter engaged). If I perceive an approximation to the well roundedness, or equal or better than Dirac you will hear from me by Friday and I likely give trinnov 2 orders, there is much to be said by being the first with Atmos out the door, and having d-cine connectivity, and having active stereo rca out's for d-box 2.0, so expect an agnostic/unbiased opinion. And godspeed to my friend the genial Curt's demo.
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As far as I am concerned Curt is the primary reason I am still with Trinnov, and I will continue on this long adventure with Trinnov as long as Curt is involved. After Curt came to my home initially each and every calibration thereafter took less than 15-20 minutes remotely.
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As far as I am concerned Curt is the primary reason I am still with Trinnov, and I will continue on this long adventure with Trinnov as long as Curt is involved. After Curt came to my home initially each and every calibration thereafter took less than 15-20 minutes remotely.
Curt is a true professional and knows his stuff. He'd be in my theater if I end up with an Altitude. But it is true in my experience, you need an in-person visit. When I had Carl and Mark calibrate my Datasat, we would sit there ater all ws done and say, 'dialog too bright, dialog has too many sibilants, bass a bit aggressive, etc. These guys would listen to my comments, hear what I am hearing and simply go to the necessary frequencies to adjust.

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Peter:

As far as I am concerned Curt is the primary reason I am still with Trinnov, and I will continue on this long adventure with Trinnov as long as Curt is involved. After Curt came to my home initially each and every calibration thereafter took less than 15-20 minutes remotely.

Curt is a true professional and knows his stuff. He'd be in my theater if I end up with an Altitude. But it is true in my experience, you need an in-person visit. When I had Carl and Mark calibrate my Datasat, we would sit there ater all ws done and say, 'dialog too bright, dialog has too many sibilants, bass a bit aggressive, etc. These guys would listen to my comments, hear what I am hearing and simply go to the necessary frequencies to adjust.
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Is it supposed to be psychedlic?

Unfortunately Im on an air mouse living room setup.
Yes, it's a big animated wheel on a larger screen when you scroll it up and down.
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First info on pricing...40,000 Euro! Ouch...


http://highend-hifi-shop.de/trinnove-altitude-32.html
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First info on pricing...40,000 Euro! Ouch...


http://highend-hifi-shop.de/trinnove-altitude-32.html
So looks like the processing add ons have added a good €15k onto the original price of €25k. Still a dam sight cheaper than the Ada reference and quite a bit better I'd imagine.
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So looks like the processing add ons have added a good €15k onto the original price of €25k. Still a dam sight cheaper than the Ada reference and quite a bit better I'd imagine.
For us non-Europeans, that's with 19% VAT.

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For us non-Europeans, that's with 19% VAT.
Lucky so and so. Saving a whole 1% over us Brits. Lol. I think the top altitude comes in at £32k in UK and the Ada reference is £48k.
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Lucky so and so. Saving a whole 1% over us Brits. Lol. I think the top altitude comes in at £32k in UK and the Ada reference is £48k.
New ADA Monster Atmos Preamp to be shown at HYATT
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Lol. I'm guessing an altitude 32/32 in a funky case but with a $75k price tag?
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Lol. I'm guessing an altitude 32/32 in a funky case but with a $75k price tag?
But ADA has a penchant for making products that are NOT upgradable.

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New ADA Monster Atmos Preamp to be shown at HYATT
With whose room correction? I've checked with Trinnov and they're not involved in any new ADA product.
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With whose room correction?
There's a stack of miniDSP boxes inside the monster chasis.

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There's a stack of miniDSP boxes inside the monster chasis.
Hahaha! Good one.

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Peter/CINERAMAX, you have me guessing too. Sorry I can't add any details, but I can
squelch any speculations: Trinnov is not involved with ADA's new product offering.


Here's some additional Trinnov news: Dolby's link on consumer products with ATMOS-

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/technolog...-products.html

Trinnov Altitude 32in the lower right. Trinnov's Altitude 32 will be shown at CEDIA Booth 850.

Let me know if you're going to attend. It would be my pleasure to meet anyone here, including lurkers.

PM for my cellphone.

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