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Congrats Alan,

I wish I could of made the demo this past weekend. By the way Peter talks, you have really outdone yourself.

I have had the pleasure of working with Alan over the past couple years and never have I met someone as enthusiastic about home cinema as him..... well and Peter too

I have bought both my Barco DP4K-23B and my DP4K-P from Alan. I have learned a ton from him over the past couple years, and he has helped me tweak my projectors to really get an incredible image.

I have had the pleasure of visiting his place and seeing his demo setup in the past, and sounds like it's about time for me to make another trip down.

And to put to rest anyone's concern about feeding a DCI machine alternative content, you can rest assured there is absolutely zero problems. I feed my projector everything from DCI content to blu-Ray to Directv to AppleTV to a Mac Mini to multiple game systems, and the list goes on and on. And feed it 3d bluray. All works flawlessly if you know how to setup your presets correctly. There is zero issue switching between sources or between DCI content and alternative content.

Congrats Alan. Can't wait to see what you had done to the NEC.
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It makes a lot more sharper and cleaner picture on larger screens. I have talked to some who have up-scaled 1080P to 4K on various DCI projectors. And got some mixed views, nothing great was what i came away with. Artifact heavy was how one described it.

On a large screen, up-scaled 1080x1920 to 1080x2048 adds enough pixels that it makes for better viewing, without artifacts. I don't know exactly why, but it does work very well.
Andy I agree with you on 80% of things and enjoy your anecdotes, but man some of the stuff you throw from left field I completely disagree with, why scale, on Barco 2k you must definetely not scale.
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Actually small fraction scaling is the hardest thing to do right, and is hardly ever done without losses. So it isn't in the scaling, it can be that the TI processing chips handle that better, as there is some trickery going on in there, as mentioned by Peter above.

Now what can be done is lossless remapping of a smaller colourspace like rec.709 to DCi or Rec. 2020, or the LCD panels native colourspace. That may even be non-lineair, like LASER although with much wider spikes.

A lot of work on this was done at the old glowbulb factory down south.
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Andy I agree with you on 80% of things and enjoy your anecdotes, but man some of the stuff you throw from left field I completely disagree with, why scale, on Barco 2k you must definetely not scale.
Yes, well 80% is passing.

I don't pretend to know all things alternative content on DCI spec equipment. That is not my area. However, many a owner sees the money from renting out screens for presentation, birthday parties, private screenings, etc. So i am getting asked again and again how to do this so a 16 year old kid for a projectionist can do it.

I have found two products i really love, Christie SKA-3D, multiple input's, HDMI 1.4b, 3D BR. Easy to integrate with standard equipment, rack mount, will decode any audio, will run dual projectors for best 3D. Simple plug an play, just like home CE.

For HTPC, BlackMagic Design DeckLink 4K Extreme. As we both know, big projectors love HD-SDI inputs Audio takes some extra effort but can be done. I projected Planet Earth on BDR with this set up, on a 80 foot screen, you would be hard pressed to tell it was alternative content, you would have to look very hard and know what you are looking for. The owner told me nice, but i want Blu-Ray not DCP, and i told him, this is Blu-Ray! And it was a Barco 4K

Both of these are a easy way to get alternative content on large screens and look good.

And the payoff is never certain: Some observers contend that a generation has already been trained to be content with the small screen.
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One piece. I tried to attach a drawing, but the file was too big.

Depth of projector with out lens shroud, 846.9mm
Depth of projector with lens shroud, 1,042mm
Width of projector, 700mm
Height of projector, 326mm
I would be interested to know if this projector can fire up a 10.6x25.2 foot screen with a 43-5 foot throw.

And the payoff is never certain: Some observers contend that a generation has already been trained to be content with the small screen.
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Yes, well 80% is passing.

I don't pretend to know all things alternative content on DCI spec equipment. That is not my area. However, many a owner sees the money from renting out screens for presentation, birthday parties, private screenings, etc. So i am getting asked again and again how to do this so a 16 year old kid for a projectionist can do it.

I have found two products i really love, Christie SKA-3D, multiple input's, HDMI 1.4b, 3D BR. Easy to integrate with standard equipment, rack mount, will decode any audio, will run dual projectors for best 3D. Simple plug an play, just like home CE.

For HTPC, BlackMagic Design DeckLink 4K Extreme. As we both know, big projectors love HD-SDI inputs Audio takes some extra effort but can be done. I projected Planet Earth on BDR with this set up, on a 80 foot screen, you would be hard pressed to tell it was alternative content, you would have to look very hard and know what you are looking for. The owner told me nice, but i want Blu-Ray not DCP, and i told him, this is Blu-Ray! And it was a Barco 4K

Both of these are a easy way to get alternative content on large screens and look good.
ive heard good things about the christie piece, used to do dimension 3d rigs but the christie is plug and play, now with the latest doremi D3D firmware you can triple the apparent clarity ,brightness and sharpness of the picture. So just as I thought i was out they pull me back in.:-D

I'll focaround with the blackmagic card, thanks for the tip.
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I would be interested to know if this projector can fire up a 10.6x25.2 foot screen with a 43-5 foot throw.
You did not give the gain of the screen, but yes it can fill that screen from 43'-5" using a choice of two lens, 1.33-2.1:1 or the 1.62-2.7:1 lens. Your throw range is 1.72.

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What kind of lumen output are you getting after the two aperture plate modification ?


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What kind of lumen output are you getting after the two aperture plate modification ?


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I hope to receive the specs this week. Will let you know.

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What kind of lumen output are you getting after the two aperture plate modification ?


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With the modifications we were seeing 50FL with the light output cut down. This was on a 10' wide 0.8 gain scope screen. In high lamp we were seeing over 100FL. So that would mean in low, 3,511 lumens and high lamp is over 7,000 lumens, after mod.

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With the modifications we were seeing 50FL with the light output cut down. This was on a 10' wide 0.8 gain scope screen. In high lamp we were seeing over 100FL. So that would mean in low, 3,511 lumens and high lamp is over 7,000 lumens, after mod.

I've been complaining for years that most projectors aren't bright enough. Even my Lumis. With this projector, I'd have to eat my words for sure. And get a bigger screen !!

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With the modifications we were seeing 50FL with the light output cut down. This was on a 10' wide 0.8 gain scope screen. In high lamp we were seeing over 100FL. So that would mean in low, 3,511 lumens and high lamp is over 7,000 lumens, after mod.
Thanks Mike, and what is the respective On/Off with the Mod's in place?
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Thanks Mike, and what is the respective On/Off with the Mod's in place?
I believe a little over 5,000:1. As everyone that has viewed this image said, the blacks looked very good.

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I believe a little over 5,000:1. As everyone that has viewed this image said, the blacks looked very good.
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Not too much given away over the original 11K lumens. But does this still allow for a constant light-output like with the other LASER projectors, compensating for the lifetime dropp-off of 30(+) percent?
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Guess what laser projector the color of this one reminds me of?

I am very particular about the barco colors, their new $350k laser 2 piece monsterprojector has incredible colors, barco whites are paper white, with their new laser 6p projectors the whites were to cry good. Well this little fvckr projector had very similar colorimetry to the Barco Laser DCI, but on Blu-ray.

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quite the space savings for very familiar color, no?

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Laser 3C cut sheet. Due to size restriction, I had to reduce this down. If anybody wants a larger version of this, shoot me your email address and I will send it to you.
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The Laser 3C is now available for demo on the west coast as well as the east coast. The modifications design has been completed and MIT has installed the modifications. If you would like to demo this projector, please let us know.

East coast demo's will take place in Bradenton, FL 34210.
West coast demo's will take place in Fountain Valley, CA 92708. (regular business hours MIT facility)

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Anyone else see this projector yet?

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Why did this thread die so abruptly?? I actually just found it and was looking at this as being a possible contender...with some discussion of course. Has it not yet been made available or folks not gotten to demo??
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4K happened. I basically asked the same question last week in a different thread: Projector for 14' to 15' Wide Cinemascope Screen!.
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4K happened. I basically asked the same question last week in a different thread: Projector for 14' to 15' Wide Cinemascope Screen!
Thanks, 4k hasn't grabbed me yet, though I will say it'd be tough to spend $30k on this without some seat time. Don't get me wrong, I'd love a 4k unit, but it doesn't feel settled enought yet. I had a real problem with my house/theater that is now corrected, but it will still be a while before I need to install a pj and screen, so I'll sit back and see what comes
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Is it $30k ? The NEC bulb projector was around that. For the laser version I read under $50k for the PJ itself. That's for the stock projector without the after market mods for CR. I was only going to consider it if I could go ultra short throw on it, which I think makes sense for laser, but NEC didn't have the lens options for it. Like you, I had problems with my room build, so in no rush to buy a projector before the room is done.

 

 

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I do not know where the rumors of the smaller 4k dlp chips coming around the corner are coming from, TI built them and showed them to the cinema and consumer manufacturers who found the cost performance not worth it due to low demand hence companies like NEC and dpi are sticking to the cinema chip which is music to my ears because that is where the best lenses are.

Any DCI projector with a .98 chip will handle the 1.2 to 1 fixed lens. What we did at soho house rear projection.
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Unless I'm misreading between the lines, this was written last year.

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However, it will be some time before we see numerous mainstream 4K home cinema PJs. This is because Texas Instruments has partnered with digital cinema projector makers Barco and Christie Digital Systems to develop a 4K DLP solution, and as part of that deal has signed a non-compete clause which prevents it producing 4K DLP chips for home use. Alan Roser, managing director of SIM2 UK, told HCC: '4K is perfect for home cinema projection, but we won’t really see it until 2015 when TI is in a position to ship 4K chipsets. [Then] the floodgates will open.'
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And Peter says this has passed already. Now if Sim2 would order 5K sets...
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LCoS with E-shift, 8K projectors are already shipping Peter.
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And Peter says this has passed already. Now if Sim2 would order 5K sets...
I was just pointing out what I thought the source of the "4k DLP in 2015" rumors were.

 

 

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So the consensus is no new Texas Instrument 4K smaller consumer chips for 2015? I guess consumer projector manufactures can purchase 4K cinema chips and implement those in there consumer 4K projector. Interested to see what Christis unveils in their new consumer line in 4K, or smaller compact 4K professional. Happy New Year to all!!!!!!!
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