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I have been told DPI will be introducing a 4K laser projector. It will be based on a new platform. Not the Titan or Highlite series.

I will use the 4k DCI DLP chip, but won't be a DCI compliant projector

12,000 lumens and 2000:1 contrast for the high-brightness unit. Not sure if we will see an HC or Reference model coming.

20,000 hours on the laser module.

Price seems to be on the high side at $120k retail

Will be introduced at infocom next week.

Very excited to see and hear more about this unit. My guess it will be fairly compact!
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Hey Chris:

Compact 4K sounds interesting. Wonder who the OEM is, haven't heard of a 4K laser compact projector to date.
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So the advantage of laser is fewer lamps,anything else ?

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The color in TRUE rgb laser is amazing, also light scatter before the dmd reflection point is less so a bit more native contrast; once it hits the dmd. 3,000-1 on Christie. After that it can be treated as a xenon lamp so more contrast possible but not more than 5000-1

This could be the new 2 Piece 4k NEC. Priced consistently. Not using Necsel but laser light engines separate laser rack.





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Projection Method 3-chip DMD reflection method
Screen Size [m] up to 9.5 in DCI colour (1.8 Gain screen)
Brightness 5000 Lumen by using one Laser Source modul
Contrast Ratio 2000:1 (full on/off)
Lamp Lamp free design
Lens Zoom / Focus / Shift: Motorized
Shift: Horizontal/Vertical Motorized
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DMD Specifications 4096 x 2160
Chip: 1.38" DLP
Tilt Angle [°]: 12
Cooling Method Liquid: Liquid cooling inside, air cooling with dust-preventing electrostatic filter
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External Controls 1 x D-Sub 37 pin (GPIO); 1 x D-Sub 15-pin (3D); 1 x D-Sub 9 pin (RS-232); 1 x D-Sub 9-pin; 1 x Remote control connector; 1 x RJ45; 1 x USB port (TypeA)
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Laser Unit: 200 to 240V, 50/60Hz, single phase
Power Consumption [W] Projector Power: 400
Laser Module Power: 1300 typ.
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Operating Temperature [°C] 10 to 35; Recommended: 10 to 25
Operating Humidity [%] 10 to 85 - non-condensing
Storage Temperature [°C] -10 to 50
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External Dimensions (W x H x D) [mm] Projector Head 1: 737 x 364 x 666
Projector Head: 700 x 314 x 1,042
Laser module: 780 x 652 x 450
Weight [kg] 50 (without lense)
Projector Head: 50
Laser module: 73
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Isn't this an adaptation of the 12K and 10K 1080P LASER rental & staging unit launched at ISE? So hybrid LASER Phosphor projector.

What ever happened to those Sony stackable LASER units at 5000 lumens a piece?
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Hey Chris:

Compact 4K sounds interesting. Wonder who the OEM is, haven't heard of a 4K laser compact projector to date.

I agree. I am at a loss on the OEM. It will use the current full size 4K DCI chip. My guess it will use a phosphor to produce white light, which would mean it would react the same way as xenon based unit do with aperture plates.
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So the advantage of laser is fewer lamps,anything else ?

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If it uses the laser to hit a phosphor to produce white light, then I agree there won't be many other advantages. (I believe this will be the case, and it won't be a true RGB laser system)

The only other advantages, and I am speculating.

I would guess there wouldn't be any real color shifting so color would be more stable over the entire life span.

I would hope the laser would have the ability to vary laser power more so than lamp based models. Would be nice to dim way down for a dark room and then use full power in a brighter room or when entertaining people with sporting events, etc.

But I don't expect to see any revalation in the contrast dept.

What I don't understand is why DPI has never adopted the electronic iris they have used on their old D-Vision series on the Highlite or Titan line. I think that was a fantastic feature of the D-Vision line. Or take it further and make a dynamic iris, or maybe vary the laser power like they do on the LED models as some form of Dynamic Black.
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DPI oems their big projectors from Nec I think I am right and will be 2 piece unit.Watch....wink.gif
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DVision was just a projection design f35. The residential of that unit is now of course a Barco Optix following the purchase of PD.

I have no relationship with DP but all Titan and a Lightning models are built by them in the UK. Of course the delta factor on a new model could easily mean it is OEM.

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DPI oems their big projectors from Nec I think I am right and will be 2 piece unit.Watch....wink.gif

This would make sense. The lighting series clearly had ties to NEC units back in the day.
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Why buy from DPI if NEC is an ODM, with NEC also marketing these products?

Ceenhad's website is redesigned I see, it indeed no longer lists DPI as distributed Brand. With the acquisition of PD, Barco again has a comprehensive line-up that it can fullfill the complete high-end, as I see no other projection/display brand either.
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Anyone at Info Comm to check this out?
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Look for reviews from Chris Chinok.
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Okay will look for the Display Daily email.

Also wondering what their LASER Projection expert Matthew Brennesholtz has to say about it.
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Some details about DPI Insight 4K Laser Projector:



40 percent of the size and weight of existing 4K projectors

http://www.commercialintegrator.com/...r_illumination




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Compare it to the NEC LASER shown at CinemaCon.
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Although it says NEC all over it and it has the DCI chip, DPI has managed to get production ahead of a possible dci 4k counterpart to be unveiled in the near future. While laser lumens do appear brighter than xenon watt for watt, it took Christie 16,000 lumens to get 3,000-1 contrast so if you are planning on hotrodding this thing you may need 2 of these. In which case the 6p in a hushbox looks like a tantalizing prospect.
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great, While laser lumens do appear brighter than xenon watt for watt, it took Christie 16,000 lumens to get 3,000-1 contrast so if you are planning on hotrodding this thing you may need 2 of [IMG]http://*******/9jszky[/IMG]these. In which case the 6p in a hushbox looks like a tantalizing prospect.thanks
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preliminary specs on the 4k laser insight can be found here

http://www.digitalprojection.com/Bro...0/Default.aspx
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This appears to be variant of blulaser phophor PJ not true rgb. As told by DPI.
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The problem with a true RGB laser is can cause the sparkle effect. DPI has solved this problem phosphor wheel and a diffuser.
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This is the 3x0.67" WUXGA 12K, nothing on the 4K yet, on the homepage.

The 4K LASER's preliminary specsheet is to be found here: http://www.digitalprojection.co.uk/d...df.php?id=9090
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The problem with a true RGB laser is can cause the sparkle effect. DPI has solved this problem phosphor wheel and a diffuser.
NEC solved that problem, that chicken little scary cat no backbone Japanese director's department. The guy is afraid of the fcc the fda the fdic, you name it name it if it has an f in front of it the guy leaves the room.
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This is the 3x0.67" WUXGA 12K, nothing on the 4K yet, on the homepage.

The 4K LASER's preliminary specsheet is to be found here: http://www.digitalprojection.co.uk/d...df.php?id=9090
NONONO the 4k is same projector hotrodded by dpi
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Well the link led to the homepage, there's info on the hybrid units shown at ISE, nothing on the 4K sourced from NEC. There's the press release, with the linked spec sheet.
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i was told 4k hybrid and not rgb
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You guys must be talking about this one.

http://www.digitalprojection.com/Bro...0/Default.aspx

Hope they do a better job than with the Lighting 45 series.
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http://www.digitalprojection.co.uk/ is what your link directs to, Andy. I suggested upon the announcement that it was an extension to DPI's Hybrid LASER/Phosphor platform, but then I was told here that it was an ODM NEC RGB LASER unit, even two part, wich it doesn't look like, even the NEC is a unified body unit in the clip I posted above.
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Well NEC was supposed to be working on a full blown LED unit as well. I guess laser pushed that aside or they plan to release them together. I subscribe to the cineTechGeek on my YouTube account. He always does a good job of reviewing projectors and other information.

The only DPI unit i have heard talked about is there 12,000 lumen Insight 4K series projector. That was were my link post should have taken you. It is a all in one case laser projector, unlike Christie and Barco's that house the laser separately, or the units i have seen up close. As i am moving my PT from paper to real life, i am seriously looking at the DPI Insight as my projector. I can't stomach the price Barco and Christie wants for there laser projectors, not for my private use.
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Cinetechgeek did a quick overview of the NEC, i linked that above. The same machine as the DPI, in a video above my post.

It is very compact almost as compact as the 12K lumens Hybrid LASER/Phosphor WUXGA (1080P model?) projector. It is rather compact for an RGB LASER projector, and given the launch of the hybrid platform at the beginning of the year I considered it might be an hybrid projector aswell.

The NEC LED specced at 2000 lumens was shown years ago at i believe Infocomm.

So, you are going to use a commercial projector in your home.
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