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post #1 of 27 Old 01-09-2016, 02:37 PM - Thread Starter
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RUN, Don't walk, get ROON for your music playing software!

That is, if you have a computer based music server that can use ROON software.

Thanks to reviews like The Absolute Sound, Amir (What's Best Forum) of course, and my Theta Digital dealer buddie Craig Shumer who also has heard raves about ROON - and thanks to Roon's Black Friday Weekend 30% of sale, I decided to buy the whole shebang life time membership.
I got around to installing ROON on my CAPSv4 Pipeline 2 channel USB music server about ten days ago. And last nite moved up to an iPad Pro (had a smaller "iPad" before) which is amazing, too!

Took awhile to figure out ROON musically to maximize sound quality! I've been using JRiver for several years, outputting 96-24 (88-24 for DSD) via USB to Berkeley Audio USB converter (thank you Amir for this, too) to Theta CBIV SSP (bass management and Dirac room correction at 96-24) then digital out full bandwith to Theta Generation VIII Series 3 DAC. JRiver's sonics were (that is "were) superb.

Today, I figured out why JRiver sounded better than ROON. Andrew Gillis of Small Green Computer has demod the CAPSv4 Pipeline (which they sell) with ROON lately, but in the past they were using/recommending JRiver. Andrew just advised me that he feels ROON is better sounding that JRiver. So what was I doing wrong.

A bit of research on the web. And then I realized that my CAPSv4's "sound" control panel was set for JRiver. I reset the default sound to the TUSB audio driver (for the Berkeley USB converter). Funny, even with JRiver not opened or running in server mode, JRiver remained the default sound in the audio control panel until I changed it. WOW! Suddenly my dynamics, voices, everything was so much more real, like comparing being on a roller coaster dynamically to driving on a bit bumpy road. HA! ROON is much better sounding than JRiver in my system!

Now I've got the graphic interface, metadata and web info, everything to accomodate my music listening at top level sonics. I am very, very pleased.

Note ROON outputting JRiver is a no go. First, you will get a lot of stutters. Andrew Gillis advises that it just doesn't work this way. Second, ROON sounds way better by itself than using JRiver with it, anyway. Though I do understand that ROON does work with HDPlayer and perhaps some other stuff! But I luv ROON alone. These dudes are audio geniuses! And understanding what Amir explains how ROON is designed from an objective engineering standpoint is consistent with how fantastic ROON works and sounds.

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I've been a lifetime subscriber since June last year. I have listened to more music than ever before. I keep finding new music and discovering music I had long forgotten about. Best piece of audio software I ever used.

Currently trying Roon with HQPlayer. Oh my!!!

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I will add my support here. As a Sooloos user (Roon's legacy), I can attest it's the best music program on the market. The integration into Tidal and ability to add multiple libraries is a bonus. The multi zone functionality is also a huge positive. The android app is a bit to be desired, but the Apple Ipad app is first rate. The good news is that the product is early in its development. They have worked out the major issues, but are still investing heavily in product development. With the introduction of Roon hardware (with support from some pretty impressive hardware developers), I think things will only get better. Manufacturers beyond Meridian (which is already there) that are planning on having "Roon Ready" hardware include:
AURALiC, Audio Alchemy, Bel Canto, Bryston, Cary Audio, Constellation Audio, dCS, Exasound, IQ Audio, LH Labs, Lumin, PS Audio, Small Green Computer, Sonore, SoTM, and TotalDAC

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I've been trying Roon with Tidal. I really like Tidal! Roon is just so superior than any other program for visuals. Ultimately, I am certain I will use Roon to manage my music. Right now, I'm waiting for a few more features. I don't think for example it does multi-channel playback? I'll continue to use Jriver for video but it's days to manage my music are numbered. Great recommendation Steve!

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I installed Roon and have a few issues. It does not play .ape files so my JRiver ripped discs are missing. Plus, as Bulldogger points out, there is no multi-channel capability. DTS CD's don't play.

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I installed Roon and have a few issues. It does not play .ape files so my JRiver ripped discs are missing. Plus, as Bulldogger points out, there is no multi-channel capability. DTS CD's don't play.

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Yea, I use ROON now for all 2 channel - still use JRiver for multi-channel.

As for DTS CDs: I used DVD-Audio Extractor, using the "demux" feature, to rip the original dts files. Although JRiver will then play the dts files, I used JRiver to rip to FLAC (or WAV), which ROON plays.

As for Monkey's Audio ape files, JRiver can also convert these to FLAC or WAV.

Say you are using JRiver to convert a bunch of dts or ape files. Go into the "Files" at the left hand music menu and a few clicks and you'll have a directory of all of the dts or ape files. Then you can convert the whole batch of files in the directory in one fell swoop!
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As for Monkey's Audio ape files, JRiver can also convert these to FLAC or WAV.

Say you are using JRiver to convert a bunch of dts or ape files. Go into the "Files" at the left hand music menu and a few clicks and you'll have a directory of all of the dts or ape files. Then you can convert the whole batch of files in the directory in one fell swoop!
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Thanks for the pointer. I'll follow your instructions to batch convert all of the ape files to flac and give Roon another chance.

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EGADS! ROON has just got WAY better in my audio/home theater system!!!@@@

My ROON setup, until tonight, was as follows:

CAPSv4 (Computer Audiophile forum server, version 4), USB out. With Roonserver loaded, designated as my primary music computer for ROON, because ROON would only use the USB out from the primary music server.

iPad Pro with the iPad Pro app for ROON, used as a controller only.

Also a Toshiba laptop, with the full RoonInstaller loaded, but used only as a controller as well.

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Tonight, as I started listening to music with ROON, an auto ROON software install came up and loaded. I checked and found out the ROON version is now 1.2. And version 1.2 also has RoonBridge software, which now allows the full RoonInstaller to be installed on a computer remote, that is, from the media server that is outputting the USB music!

Now my ROON setup, as of late last night (Tuesday night) (EXCITING!) is:

CAPSv4 (Computer Audiophile forum server, version 4), USB out. With Roonserver and RoonBridge loaded, designated as a remote computer for ROON.

CAPSv3 Zuma (Computer Audiophile forum server, version 3) (modded a bit). I use this media server only for multi-channel out via HDMI using JRiver Media Center software (as ROON does not at this time do multi-channel audio). But NOW I have loaded the main RoonInstaller, the full ROON program, and I have this computer designated as primary for ROON. ROON’s database is now on this computer. This computer does all the filing, searching, internet connections, audio processing, etc now for ROON and my 2 channel audio – then the audio file goes through my wi-fi network to the CAPSv4 and out its USB. HA!

iPad Pro with the iPad Pro app for ROON, used as a controller only.

Also a Toshiba laptop, with the full RoonInstaller loaded, but used only as a controller as well.
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ROON as configured prior to tonight, in my system, sounded better than JRiver Media Center 21, for stereo!

By moving all the PC “work” and “processing” over to the CAPSv3, the sonic improvement is astounding and amazing!!@@@

ROON is a terrific audio playing program for audiophiles and music luvers! Its metadata capabilities alone are reason to use ROON. But its audio quality particularly when you use a separate computer for the ROON processing, etc (as I use the CAPSv3), and use a media server pretty much only to pass on the audio signal (as I use the CAPSv4), is second to none! I am blown away! I wonder how long I will stay up listening to music tonite? Its already 2 AM!

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I'm using Roon with an Ayre QX-5 Twenty D/A processor via ethernet. Balanced output from the QX-5 goes to a KX-5 Twenty preamp and VX-5 Twenty amp. Roon and the Ayre cuddle so closely Roon knows the serial number of the QX-5. The sound is superb.

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Roon is my favorite software purchase - ever. I have it playing on an old Denon in my home office via Raspberry Pi (HiFi Berry) - great sound from the digital stream. And I have it playing on my Emotiva XMC-1 with Parasound A21 amp to Paradigm Studio 100 speakers. BLISS!

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what surround formats for music will it play? dvd-a? ape? sacd iso.
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im liking my bluesound node 2 and tidal mqa so far...is roon similar?

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what surround formats for music will it play? dvd-a? ape? sacd iso.
Roon doesn't play ISO files. Plays ripped or downloaded WAV, FLAC, DSD to 4XDSD, both 2 and multichannel. Max, you need an Az vacation so I can demo all this for you. HA!
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You are right Steve, but no 2 channel for me, not going to start listening to that at 59.

I'll be out west plenty next year building the first Immersive Overlook DOLBY-PH at the Omni in SD. See you sometime. Thanks.
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You are right Steve, but no 2 channel for me, not going to start listening to that at 59.

I'll be out west plenty next year building the first Immersive Overlook DOLBY-PH at the Omni in SD. See you sometime. Thanks.
59 is just the right age for renewal and something new!!!@@@@ It can be very immersive!

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RUN, Don't walk, get ROON for your music playing software!
I'll run alright... the other way after looking at the price...
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I've been looking at Roon, especially as my Oppo UDP-203 is now Roon ready.
Currently have music stored on a NAS (Synology DS916+ with 8GB RAM).
I can stream flac or dsd files; stereo or MCH to my Oppo 203 in main room. Also have the NAS connected to laptop (wifi or Ethernet) which is connected via USB to an Oppo HA1. Use either Media Monkey (flac) or Foobar (DSD) to play via headphones or monitors in study.
Have also recently started using HEOS HS2 speakers around the house and in my Denon AVR.
Some Roon related questions if I may....
Does Roon work with HEOS?
If I install ROON on my NAS I understand I should use an SSD. Can I install Roon on my Surface Book and use it to play music from NAS both via USB to my HA1 and over the network to the Oppo203?
If I decide to install Roon on my NAS would I access the Roon server over the network from the Oppo - presume it just shows in server list but how would I access Roon from the NAS when using my HA1? Can this be done from my laptop?
If accessing over the network from Oppo, what is displayed on TV - Roon interface or Oppo interface? When doing this is the Roon interface available form a laptop, phone or tablet?
How is TIDAL accessed from Roon? Is it just one of the music options in the Roon server or software? (I typically access TIDAL via HEOS today so I’m guessing it’s similar to that).
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Your asking a zillion questions.

I have over 6000 stereo and multichannel albums so for me a SSD is impractical. I have a WEstern Digital MyCloud Pro 4100 32GB server w 11TB music. Small Green Computer iTransporter i5 w Roon core. Sonore Signature Rendu Roon Ready USB out! You only need an SSD on your Roon core device as Roon runs better that way! Roon Labs has a Forum and is best place to find answers/post your questions!

You mean you don't remember me? Back 1999 - 2003, I started and moderated the AVS Tweaks forum and also the AVS Special Guests forum.

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I'll run alright... the other way after looking at the price...
The Oppo is probably the world's best 4K/UHD/Dolby Vision Blu Ray player. Add in the Roon Ready, and you have a winner.

Yeah, it's expensive, but I've had mine for months, and the quality is outstanding. And I'm a cheapie
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I was surprised when Roon listed the 205 along with the Ayre QX-5 Twenty as players. I suppose I should try it.

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Maybe a silly newbie question, but how does room differ from services like deezer, or the capabilities of spmc/kodi/plex?



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I'm confused by what 'Roon-Ready' means. I just bought a PC for gaming and media server use (has an iCore5 3GHz processor, 128G SSD, and 1TB HHD). I'm looking for a good way to manage and play downloaded or streaming hirez audio files, but only thru the attached system (I don't care about any of the distribution features). After reading thru this thread it seems a Roon/HQ Player combo may be a good way to go, but I don't know if it will work with my Anthem MRX-720 AVR. The 720 has AKM 4458 DACs which should be fairly decent given they support 32-bit and up to 256x over-sampling. What do I lose if my AVR/DAC is not Roon-Ready?
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Roon-Ready = a client that can pass an audio signal to a pre-amp/receiver (or it might even be an all-in-one solution).

In my setup, I use the following clients:
1. Oppo UDP-203 (connected via HDMI to an Emotiva XMC-1)
2. Direct USB cable from my PC to my Emotiva XMC-1.
3. A RaspberryPi with a HiFi Berry card to my home office Denon AVR

Be sure to check out the Roon Knowledge Base: https://kb.roonlabs.com/
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When I brought up Roon, it snuggled right up to my Ayre QX-5 Twenty Digital Hub (listed as a partner), asked if I had a Tidal account and what my password is, then integrated everything, streaming and libraries. The QX-5 outputs analog to a KX-5 Twenty preamp and VX-5 Twenty amp. The sound from the total package is superb.

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Roon-Ready = a client that can pass an audio signal to a pre-amp/receiver (or it might even be an all-in-one solution).

In my setup, I use the following clients:
1. Oppo UDP-203 (connected via HDMI to an Emotiva XMC-1)
2. Direct USB cable from my PC to my Emotiva XMC-1.
3. A RaspberryPi with a HiFi Berry card to my home office Denon AVR

Be sure to check out the Roon Knowledge Base: https://kb.roonlabs.com/
Thanks for the response. This is all new to me so my questions may be way off-base. From what I read earlier, it seemed Roon-Ready was referring to the DAC side of the signal chain. I'm assuming your XMS-1 and Denon AVR are not Roon-Ready, but your Oppo and RaspberryPi sources are? In my case all streaming sources and downloaded files will be accessed by my PC where the Roon/HQPlayer combo would reside, and will hard-wire directly to my local system through my Anthem AVR. The other source devices I have include a Panny UMP-900 UBD player and a FIOS cable box. Unless I'm missing something, I don't care about managing/playing these other sources through Roon or HQPlayer.

Assuming I'm not distributing/bridging audio to/from other rooms and/or devices, is there any sonic benefit to a Roon/HQPlayer combo vs just HQPlayer stand-alone? I realize Roon's graphical library interface is a plus, but I'm not sure if it's worth the price if that's the only benefit for what I'm trying to do.

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You're right - The XMC-1 and Denon are not "roon ready", but Roon can also output to a DAC. In my case, the Emotiva XMC-1 DAC.

As far as HQPlayer goes, I tried it for two weeks and removed it. Once I got over the placebo effect, I thought my music sounded better without it.

I'd download the Roon trial and give it a shot. It's free to look
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