Test Sony Laser Pr. VW5000
I have the pleasure to receive last week the first real series version of the new Sony Laser 4K Pr. the VW 5000.
Feed it with BD makes not any problem but I had a hard time with this pr. as for days I cannot display a HDR Image from the Samsung UHD Player.
Looks like the Samsung not put out a HDR signal it therefore also not output a bigger color signal (DCI Color in a Rec 2020 container).
The solution was a small box in between the Samsung UHD Player and the 5000 and here we go I saw first time HDR+DCI Color.
But first some other things.
As I have my VW 1100 direct in between the seats I watch movies with the pr. direct near my head (6”away only!)
I was skeptical as the VW 5000 demo unit I saw last year had a noise level that made this impossible.
But put the VW 5000 further back I lost some light when I put for scope movies my Isco Anamorphic Lens 1.24 on and the VW 5000 will be not in the ideal position to the screen. So I was positive surprised that my real unit btw with Serial number “1” is not as noisy as the demo unit.
We watch some UHD movies already with it and I had not much problems with the noise level the VW 5000 have even when pr. was direct only 6” away from my ear but I will do a hush box anyway.
So If someone will have the pr. in a normally distance from his ear (1-2 meters away) I think he can live with the sound level without a hush box but this is very depending
on the room the distance and the personal feeling about it.
I was not aware if there is any 5000 lumen Home Cinema pr. out that is so quiet as the VW 5000 was.
You must also know that if you not need to full light output you can dim the laser very much down and the noise level go down.
Same when dark content comes after some seconds the VW 5000 going down with some fans inside and when a bright picture comes up after some seconds it going up with fan noise.
With UHD in HDR with wider colors on I select Color Space 2 (wider than Rec 709 but a bit smaller than DCI) that gives the most lumen and DCI color temperature and I get about 4500 lumen with about 15.000:1 cr.
With BD playback at Rec. 709 you can get about 3850 Lumen and 13500:1 cr. and color looks very perfect rightout the box.
Please note that I will be publish later all the settings I use for BD and UHD Disc in details as this can made huge differences!
On top of this electronically adjustments the VW5000 have a filter that you can movie mechanically inside but this kills a lot of light and you can
depends on the setting get less than 3000 lumens.
There is a Laser dimingfunction inside and there you have 3 settings.Full-Limit-Off.
Full means when the pictureis is totally black for some 1 or 2 sec. it switch the laser almost complete of.
When some material comes up Laser jump on.
If you are sensitive to this you should use the Limit version.
Here it not switch the laser complete of it just reduce the brightness a bit.
Then it also dim the Picture down when the picture show a dark image but a little less aggressive as they do it in Full.
Time will tell me if I usefull or limit in future.
As the cr. the VW5000 offers is very good you can runn it in of as well.
It is very likely as other report at AVS that many UHD Disc had a black bug means that in sequences that are very dark
it looks like there was not any parts with 0 IRE visible with results in a bit washed out black.
As the VW 5000 can Show perfect blacks with BDs I think this is a bug from the Samsung UHD Plyer or how the UHD Disc was mastered.
I read that some here at AVS complain about it already.
A manual iris was not there and this was sad. I have hope Sony put this inside to further increase the native cr. for this people that not have a big
Screen like my screen and can trade of lumen for native cr.
Convergence was good but expect the first time some miss convergence as most of the time transportation
cause some issues that most of the time disappear after some hours.
I recommend to wait some hours and some days before you use the convergence adjustments.
After some days and some running hours now it’s very stable and good.
Shading was very good on my unit.
The lens was very crisp and sharp over the whole picture.
So how the pr. looks beside this numbers is more important than anything else?
To make it short it looks fantastic!
I never in my live saw a picture like this.
It had not any visible speckle it show very nice color and if someone say HDR not looks good with a projector
as only fix panel Displays can do or show HDR good he is very wrong.
No question displays have some advantages and can display a much brighter image but a 65” or even a 85”is only a big TV.
The combination from a bright pr. like the VW 5000 with a good native cr. HDR and DCI color can bring you to a level of picture quality that are likely better than any picture you saw before and this include also Cinemas.
The more you watch it the more it will be difficult to watch again normally BDs as you get soon used to this quality.
HDR in combination with the DCI color looks first very different may some will say it looks dark but it’s just very new and a new way of watching movies.
During I compare for sample Maze Runner 1 the UHD Version in HDR +DCI Color with the VW 5000 displayed with the BD displayed by the VW1100
you fell first when yous witch between them that the VW 1100 have the same lumen as the VW 5000 as visible rated
the VW5000 show about the same brightnes but this is not true as the VW5000 have about 2.5 times the lumen.
I hope that Alan will post some pictures so you can see what I mean..
Let me tell you last what both daughters I have (14 and 10 years old ) are saying when we watch the first complete movie in UHD HDR and DCI color
Maze Runner 1.
My small one sad after 1 or 2min. to me:
“WOW Papa the color and cr.looks very good much better than what we have in the past”
My wife and my older daughter was also say WOW after some min.
And yes I agree as well this is a new world and it’s not so much about more resolution that is visible it’s
-HDR -DCI Color + the possible more Resolution AND the Sony VW 5000 that makes the difference!
I really strongly recommend that everybody that can afford this expensive pr. to test it at a good dealer that
know how to set up the many parameters correctly and decide after.
I will be not surprise if many that can afford it will buy it.
Please note:
This Tread is about the first Test from a Sony VW5000 4K Laser Projector and not about discussion’s DLP vsSXRD so please keep this Thread on topic.
I have the pleasure to receive last week the first real series version of the new Sony Laser 4K Pr. the VW 5000.
Feed it with BD makes not any problem but I had a hard time with this pr. as for days I cannot display a HDR Image from the Samsung UHD Player.
Looks like the Samsung not put out a HDR signal it therefore also not output a bigger color signal (DCI Color in a Rec 2020 container).
The solution was a small box in between the Samsung UHD Player and the 5000 and here we go I saw first time HDR+DCI Color.
But first some other things.
As I have my VW 1100 direct in between the seats I watch movies with the pr. direct near my head (6”away only!)
I was skeptical as the VW 5000 demo unit I saw last year had a noise level that made this impossible.
But put the VW 5000 further back I lost some light when I put for scope movies my Isco Anamorphic Lens 1.24 on and the VW 5000 will be not in the ideal position to the screen. So I was positive surprised that my real unit btw with Serial number “1” is not as noisy as the demo unit.
We watch some UHD movies already with it and I had not much problems with the noise level the VW 5000 have even when pr. was direct only 6” away from my ear but I will do a hush box anyway.
So If someone will have the pr. in a normally distance from his ear (1-2 meters away) I think he can live with the sound level without a hush box but this is very depending
on the room the distance and the personal feeling about it.
I was not aware if there is any 5000 lumen Home Cinema pr. out that is so quiet as the VW 5000 was.
You must also know that if you not need to full light output you can dim the laser very much down and the noise level go down.
Same when dark content comes after some seconds the VW 5000 going down with some fans inside and when a bright picture comes up after some seconds it going up with fan noise.
With UHD in HDR with wider colors on I select Color Space 2 (wider than Rec 709 but a bit smaller than DCI) that gives the most lumen and DCI color temperature and I get about 4500 lumen with about 15.000:1 cr.
With BD playback at Rec. 709 you can get about 3850 Lumen and 13500:1 cr. and color looks very perfect rightout the box.
Please note that I will be publish later all the settings I use for BD and UHD Disc in details as this can made huge differences!
On top of this electronically adjustments the VW5000 have a filter that you can movie mechanically inside but this kills a lot of light and you can
depends on the setting get less than 3000 lumens.
There is a Laser dimingfunction inside and there you have 3 settings.Full-Limit-Off.
Full means when the pictureis is totally black for some 1 or 2 sec. it switch the laser almost complete of.
When some material comes up Laser jump on.
If you are sensitive to this you should use the Limit version.
Here it not switch the laser complete of it just reduce the brightness a bit.
Then it also dim the Picture down when the picture show a dark image but a little less aggressive as they do it in Full.
Time will tell me if I usefull or limit in future.
As the cr. the VW5000 offers is very good you can runn it in of as well.
It is very likely as other report at AVS that many UHD Disc had a black bug means that in sequences that are very dark
it looks like there was not any parts with 0 IRE visible with results in a bit washed out black.
As the VW 5000 can Show perfect blacks with BDs I think this is a bug from the Samsung UHD Plyer or how the UHD Disc was mastered.
I read that some here at AVS complain about it already.
A manual iris was not there and this was sad. I have hope Sony put this inside to further increase the native cr. for this people that not have a big
Screen like my screen and can trade of lumen for native cr.
Convergence was good but expect the first time some miss convergence as most of the time transportation
cause some issues that most of the time disappear after some hours.
I recommend to wait some hours and some days before you use the convergence adjustments.
After some days and some running hours now it’s very stable and good.
Shading was very good on my unit.
The lens was very crisp and sharp over the whole picture.
So how the pr. looks beside this numbers is more important than anything else?
To make it short it looks fantastic!
I never in my live saw a picture like this.
It had not any visible speckle it show very nice color and if someone say HDR not looks good with a projector
as only fix panel Displays can do or show HDR good he is very wrong.
No question displays have some advantages and can display a much brighter image but a 65” or even a 85”is only a big TV.
The combination from a bright pr. like the VW 5000 with a good native cr. HDR and DCI color can bring you to a level of picture quality that are likely better than any picture you saw before and this include also Cinemas.
The more you watch it the more it will be difficult to watch again normally BDs as you get soon used to this quality.
HDR in combination with the DCI color looks first very different may some will say it looks dark but it’s just very new and a new way of watching movies.
During I compare for sample Maze Runner 1 the UHD Version in HDR +DCI Color with the VW 5000 displayed with the BD displayed by the VW1100
you fell first when yous witch between them that the VW 1100 have the same lumen as the VW 5000 as visible rated
the VW5000 show about the same brightnes but this is not true as the VW5000 have about 2.5 times the lumen.
I hope that Alan will post some pictures so you can see what I mean..
Let me tell you last what both daughters I have (14 and 10 years old ) are saying when we watch the first complete movie in UHD HDR and DCI color
Maze Runner 1.
My small one sad after 1 or 2min. to me:
“WOW Papa the color and cr.looks very good much better than what we have in the past”
My wife and my older daughter was also say WOW after some min.
And yes I agree as well this is a new world and it’s not so much about more resolution that is visible it’s
-HDR -DCI Color + the possible more Resolution AND the Sony VW 5000 that makes the difference!
I really strongly recommend that everybody that can afford this expensive pr. to test it at a good dealer that
know how to set up the many parameters correctly and decide after.
I will be not surprise if many that can afford it will buy it.
Please note:
This Tread is about the first Test from a Sony VW5000 4K Laser Projector and not about discussion’s DLP vsSXRD so please keep this Thread on topic.